I say hell yes! The guy is a gamer! If RG3 and Geno Smith can be successful JFF can as well. No way I pass on him... Thoughts?
Would you take JFF # 1?
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No, mainly because of Bill O'Brien is a pro-style QB coach.
I expect the Texans want to trade down. The easiest way to do that is to make a team fall in love with Clowney. I bet you'll start seeing the Texans leak things to media about the Texans loving Clowney to put pressure on a lower team to make a move.
I expect the Texans want to trade down. The easiest way to do that is to make a team fall in love with Clowney. I bet you'll start seeing the Texans leak things to media about the Texans loving Clowney to put pressure on a lower team to make a move.
I would be very tempted to trade down and take Mike Evans, if I were them. Andre Johnson doesn't have too many more years, and that could be alot to handle. That division isn't great. If you can score 28 points a game - I think you can win it.
Clowney helps as a pass rusher, but the other QBs in the league are Jake Locker and whatever poor soul Jacksonville walks out there.
Clowney helps as a pass rusher, but the other QBs in the league are Jake Locker and whatever poor soul Jacksonville walks out there.
No way in hell.
You gotta take Clowney. Houston already has significant talent on that football team. Can you imagine adding Clowney across from JJ Watt? Offenses can't double-team everybody. That would be hellacious. I know they need a QB but my darkhorse pick for NFL-ready QB that would fit O'Brien's system perfectly is Aaron Murray...and that guy will be available in the third round.
Houston is a playoff team that had a bad year. They can parlay that into adding another elite defensive end.
Don't buy the Manziel hype. Somebody's going to break him in half.
DeAndre Hopkins emerged this year as a huge threat across from Johnson. They are fine at that position, although it never hurts to add talent.
Gotta say no.
Houston has to have a QB, though. Frankly, I don't see anything wrong with Taj Boyd or Aaron Murray. Both of which you can get in the 2nd or 3rd round. No way do I think that JFF, Bridgewater, or Bortles are that much better than those two. The most valuable thing in the NFL these days is cheap labor. Gotta go with equal talent at a cheaper price.
Above all, though, the Texans need OL and LBs in the worst way possible. The OL need being borderline desperate. Yes, I live in Houston. I have to listen to this stuff all the time. The Texans ownership thinks that they're not that far away from being back in contention. I just don't see it. The GM is horrible and he'll screw this up somehow. Can't believe they kept him.
Houston has to have a QB, though. Frankly, I don't see anything wrong with Taj Boyd or Aaron Murray. Both of which you can get in the 2nd or 3rd round. No way do I think that JFF, Bridgewater, or Bortles are that much better than those two. The most valuable thing in the NFL these days is cheap labor. Gotta go with equal talent at a cheaper price.
Above all, though, the Texans need OL and LBs in the worst way possible. The OL need being borderline desperate. Yes, I live in Houston. I have to listen to this stuff all the time. The Texans ownership thinks that they're not that far away from being back in contention. I just don't see it. The GM is horrible and he'll screw this up somehow. Can't believe they kept him.
Barry Switzer wouldn't............
but that's because he's white.
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but that's because he's white.
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Geno Smith has been successful? That 36 QBR disagrees. Now, it's possible he will be, but he had a pretty sketchy 2013. That said, I wouldn't take JFF #1. He has tremendous potential, but also tremendous risk. He may be really good, he may wash out in two years. I really don't know.
I don't think they are going to fundamentally improve their o-line situation in the draft. They have some all-pro talent there and can help their cause through free agency. I just think Clowney is a no brainer for them. Linebackers only have to be serviceable if the d-line is dominant...and they do have Cushing coming back from injury.
I'm not sure I would call him a huge threat; he averaged 3 catches and 50 yards per game. Their QB situation certainly had alot to do with that, but I don't see Hopkins as a #1 guy in the NFL like Evans.
The Colts need a WR too. I'd keep that in mind. Colts don't have a 1st round pick, so you gotta think they'll go WR in the 2nd round. I'd be very tempted to take a WR with 1st pick in the 2nd round if I'm the Texas. One less guy you have to deal with in your division twice a year, and battle for a playoff spot. Especially considering how deep the WR class is this year.
The Colts need a WR too. I'd keep that in mind. Colts don't have a 1st round pick, so you gotta think they'll go WR in the 2nd round. I'd be very tempted to take a WR with 1st pick in the 2nd round if I'm the Texas. One less guy you have to deal with in your division twice a year, and battle for a playoff spot. Especially considering how deep the WR class is this year.
Their RT situation (Newton) was single-handedly responsible for ruining their season. Both of their guards are horrible in pass protection. They have two over-hyped OL, Chris Meyers and Duane Brown. The rest are garbage. They have all had some injuries but damn, that group almost got poor Keenum killed (along with his inability to read the blitz). It won't matter if JFF or John Elway Is the QB if they don't improve the OL. Schaub is by far the best QB on their roster but he absolutely HAS to have protection. The Texans would get 10 times better by finding a way to somehow trade down and still get Clowney while using the additional picks for OL.
He got better and better as the season went on....and Andre Johnson is still their #1. I know he's getting older, but he's still an all-pro receiver. I'm not advocating that they are completely set at the position, I just don't think they need to trade their overall #1 to drop down and take someone like Mike Evans. They have more pressing needs.
Their o-line had problems, but there were a lot of reasons for that. Arian Foster went down, for example, and that limited their run game. Tate was serviceable, but he's not a #1 back. Those guys run block well enough, but defenses didn't respect their running game and pinned their ears back and blitzed the hell out of the Texans. Getting a healthy Foster back will help with establishing the run, setting up play action, and getting the QB, whoever it is, more time to throw. They will have an opportunity to get better there.
Locker will be a stud yet if he can just shake the injury bug, and the Titans have quietly lined up several great receivers in the last few years. They'll have to be taken seriously offensively if Locker can just stay healthy.
Take Clowney all day long and sign Russell in the 7th or as an unsigned free agent. I believe Johnny Football will be another Tebow. A lot of distraction and not much production from all those rainbow (jump) passes. He might scramble around for a few yards until NFL linebackers or safeties break him to pieces.
My point is that Geno...
Is a decent pro QB. I think JFF can be much better. I think the league is evolving and allowing mobile QB to have success.
Is a decent pro QB. I think JFF can be much better. I think the league is evolving and allowing mobile QB to have success.
Defense wins championships. Clowney, JJ Watt, and Brian Cushing is a dangerous front 7 core. QB is more in need than a WR.
nope, take Clowney and never look back. Trade other picks to get a qb (mallet/cousins/McNown) that has been learning behind someone quality. I'd go get mallett personally. If you want to draft a qb later and keep your picks then do so. I see Bortles being the most legit one, but we all know it is a crapshoot where maybe one of them will be successful.
bottom line, I don't see manziel changing his craft to make it manageable in the NFL. move in the pocket to throw, not moving to run. If he breaks and runs its a matter of time before he gets hurt. If he slips past cleveland and jacksonville his chances of being successful go up exponentially. If he goes to either one of those he is a dead man walking. I don't see St. louis taking him. Oakland would be bad too. I'm not sure where the best landing spot would be for him. I think his first year will be fun to watch, then they'll get lots of tendencies and tape on him and he is screwed. I think he will go in the 1st, but I don't think he is worth a first round pick. I am pretty much with Jaws. he is a good player, tons of talent, very determined, but he is a project round 3 qb for the NFL.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/order
bottom line, I don't see manziel changing his craft to make it manageable in the NFL. move in the pocket to throw, not moving to run. If he breaks and runs its a matter of time before he gets hurt. If he slips past cleveland and jacksonville his chances of being successful go up exponentially. If he goes to either one of those he is a dead man walking. I don't see St. louis taking him. Oakland would be bad too. I'm not sure where the best landing spot would be for him. I think his first year will be fun to watch, then they'll get lots of tendencies and tape on him and he is screwed. I think he will go in the 1st, but I don't think he is worth a first round pick. I am pretty much with Jaws. he is a good player, tons of talent, very determined, but he is a project round 3 qb for the NFL.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/order
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Maybe. But I'd probably go all-in and draft another QB somewhere in the first 5 rounds too. Not because I think he's fragile, but because he needs a serious threat to lose his job if he 17s up. Houston is a QB away from being a playoff team so I don't see them taking anything but a QB.
Hell no. JFF isn't a franchise qb. Even if he is productive he won't stay healthy and be like Vick. Trade down and if you can't take Jake Matthews. Matthews will be a top OT, he is a phenomenal athlete.