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Outstanding PPV. Clockwork Carnage might have been the worst match of the night. It was a fun match and I appreciate them trying something different but that’s not an AEW PPV main event caliber match type. Appears I am very much in the minority with that opinion though.
 
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My dream has finally come true and it’s doing big numbers on online. His debut and his two teaser vignettes each got over 1.5 million views on Twitter.

Will it translate to anything that actually matters business wise though?

 
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American Dragon said:
My dream has finally come true and it’s doing big numbers on online. His debut and his two teaser vignettes each got over 1.5 million views on Twitter.

Will it translate to anything that actually matters business wise though?
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So let's be real here...any debut will get big numbers online unless it's a random from NJPW who Kenny loves or something. Also, if we're being fair, if this were WWE you'd likely discount the Twitter views as "those aren't actual views because you can scroll past a video that automatically plays and that counts as a view." I know this because you've done it before lol.

I'm happy for him and he belongs in AEW but you know the answer already. A talented midcarder in WWE who's probably 5'7, not seen in several months, isn't going to be a game changer or needle mover in AEW. By Thanksgiving he'll be having random matches on Collision while the rest of the country is watching college football. Again, very happy for him but you asked the question. We've seen this about forty times with much bigger names with bigger legacies and none of them did what you're wondering. Pillars, needle movers, mystery Max numbers...it's a lot of hype. I recall SRS suggesting that because Mercedes has over a million followers on IG, they could follow her to AEW. Buddy, most of those are either bots or women who care about her fashion type photos. No one followed her to AEW.

You asked the question, I gave the answer lol.
 
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Big Bill
Ethan Page
Penta
Hobbs
Miro
CM Punk
Cody Rhodes
Rey Fenix
Ricky Starks
Mariah May
Jade Cargill
Paige
Danhausen
Mike Santana
Lexis King
Shawn Spears
Vikingo
Jack Cartwheel

All signed to one company. Do you really want WWE or do you just want to watch AEW/ROH from 2019-2023?

Now see how stupid that is?
 
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Nightwish said:
So let's be real here...any debut will get big numbers online unless it's a random from NJPW who Kenny loves or something. Also, if we're being fair, if this were WWE you'd likely discount the Twitter views as "those aren't actual views because you can scroll past a video that automatically plays and that counts as a view." I know this because you've done it before lol.

I'm happy for him and he belongs in AEW but you know the answer already. A talented midcarder in WWE who's probably 5'7, not seen in several months, isn't going to be a game changer or needle mover in AEW. By Thanksgiving he'll be having random matches on Collision while the rest of the country is watching college football. Again, very happy for him but you asked the question. We've seen this about forty times with much bigger names with bigger legacies and none of them did what you're wondering. Pillars, needle movers, mystery Max numbers...it's a lot of hype. I recall SRS suggesting that because Mercedes has over a million followers on IG, they could follow her to AEW. Buddy, most of those are either bots or women who care about her fashion type photos. No one followed her to AEW.

You asked the question, I gave the answer lol.
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How much money have you given to Nigerian princes that have emailed you asking for money?
 
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American Dragon said:
How much money have you given to Nigerian princes that have emailed you asking for money?
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I mean you asked a question and I gave a thoughtful answer. That's how threads work. If you don't like my answer, refute it but don't get snarky if you ask something and the response isn't akin to "oh yes I agree game changer this is really really massive for the industry and AEW. Big big business coming"

I like him, he's very talented. AEW will appreciate him more than WWE did. But he won't move the needle and in a few weeks will just be having random matches. Nothing wrong with that but it's been like 7 years of "OMG THIS IS MASSIVE FOR AEW" and we're still waiting. The only time a move like this will set the industry on fire and mean big things is if MJF, Mox, or Kenny shows up in WWE or about 7-10 top stars in WWE show up in AEW. Ilja isn't one of those names. I love Ciampa but the man fought a pair of pants on PPV last night lol. He's not a big business get either.
 
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Nightwish said:
I mean you asked a question and I gave a thoughtful answer. That's how threads work. If you don't like my answer, refute it but don't get snarky if you ask something and the response isn't akin to "oh yes I agree game changer this is really really massive for the industry and AEW. Big big business coming"

I like him, he's very talented. AEW will appreciate him more than WWE did. But he won't move the needle and in a few weeks will just be having random matches. Nothing wrong with that but it's been like 7 years of "OMG THIS IS MASSIVE FOR AEW" and we're still waiting. The only time a move like this will set the industry on fire and mean big things is if MJF, Mox, or Kenny shows up in WWE or about 7-10 top stars in WWE show up in AEW. Ilja isn't one of those names. I love Ciampa but the man fought a pair of pants on PPV last night lol. He's not a big business get either.
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And your "thoughtful answer" shows you lack any understanding of context, nuance, and AEW, just like they always do. You're so brainwashed by the WWE way that was proliferated by a rapist and a racist that you are completely incapable of understanding anything else.

I never said Ciampa was a big get. I was actually pretty hesitant about AEW adding him.
 
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Nightwish said:
I mean you asked a question and I gave a thoughtful answer. That's how threads work. If you don't like my answer, refute it but don't get snarky if you ask something and the response isn't akin to "oh yes I agree game changer this is really really massive for the industry and AEW. Big big business coming"

I like him, he's very talented. AEW will appreciate him more than WWE did. But he won't move the needle and in a few weeks will just be having random matches. Nothing wrong with that but it's been like 7 years of "OMG THIS IS MASSIVE FOR AEW" and we're still waiting. The only time a move like this will set the industry on fire and mean big things is if MJF, Mox, or Kenny shows up in WWE or about 7-10 top stars in WWE show up in AEW. Ilja isn't one of those names. I love Ciampa but the man fought a pair of pants on PPV last night lol. He's not a big business get either.
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He’s so blinded by tribalism he gives the same basic response over and over
 
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Going to therapy over insensitive rap lyrics? Gimme a break.

He should have just made the controversy his gimmick and say F the big companies. Nobody cares enough about this guy without the shock rap —- that’s the point. As a fan of old wrestling, this kind of thing makes me sad… everything is so watered down now. Nobody wants real heat anymore.

Could have done a show with this guy in Saudi and it would have been would have made Cena vs RVD at One Night Stand look like a silent film
 
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Really good PPV.

But I also didn’t like the main event. Every wrestler kicks out of multiple finishers anymore, no matter how much I hate it, and seeing like 10 pins in 15 minutes just didn’t work for me. I hope we don’t see that match anymore.
 
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It appears these Toni Storm Tapes are veering in the found footage direction. As a big fan of found footage horror I am greatly intrigued.

 
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