WVU and Pitt -- Should the Backyard Brawl be played annually?
- Thread starter Keenan Cummings
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Yes, annually just like Maryland
DC/Baltimore and Western PA are too valuable of recruiting resources
DC/Baltimore and Western PA are too valuable of recruiting resources
Only if it's advantageous to the Mountaineers to do so........ guess I'll take to the grave and beyond that PITT, and Syracuse, sneaked out the backdoor to join the ACC with absolutely no consideration for the impact and consequences such a move would have on West Virginia University.
So as far as I'm concerned......... :flushed::gun: to both of 'em. [smoke]
So as far as I'm concerned......... :flushed::gun: to both of 'em. [smoke]
For the last time (or at least until the next time it is ask), HELL NO!
Play schools named after States that have fans.
That recruiting argument is BS too. The best high school wr to come out of western PA (Tyler Boyd) chose Pitt over WVU despite Dana Holgorsen's offense putting how many wr in the 1st round of the NFL draft (up to 4 in the last 6 or 7 years)? Also WVU hasn't played a game in FL since the Orange Bowl, but recruiting in FL hasn't stopped.
WVU is better without them. Nothing worse than having to take a ferry ride to go to a pro stadium where tailgating is nonexistent.
Play schools named after States that have fans.
That recruiting argument is BS too. The best high school wr to come out of western PA (Tyler Boyd) chose Pitt over WVU despite Dana Holgorsen's offense putting how many wr in the 1st round of the NFL draft (up to 4 in the last 6 or 7 years)? Also WVU hasn't played a game in FL since the Orange Bowl, but recruiting in FL hasn't stopped.
WVU is better without them. Nothing worse than having to take a ferry ride to go to a pro stadium where tailgating is nonexistent.
I want to play regional teams but Pitt doesn't excite me more than any other. Let's play some teams close but in areas we're trying to expand into.
Put me down as a yes. We would win most of the games and that has to help us in recruiting. Nothing hurts pitt fans more than losing to us.
I think it helps WVU to have a game that is with a traditional rival and one that the fans can easily travel to. With that said though I don't see a huge advantage in playing them over a VT, PSU, etc.
Agree with you on VT and maybe it's my age but PSU does nothing for me.
I needs to played. Both schools are giving up a lot of money by not playing the Brawl. Its a guaranteed national TV broadcast and a possible primetime game.
I would love to see it be a Friday night game every year the day after Thanksgiving.
I hate Pitt but you cannot blame them for the break up of the Big Least. You can't blame WVU either, but we deserve our fair share of the blame as well. Make no mistake, long before sPitt left, we were telecasting to the world that we were leaving. We were openly marketing the SEC and many on here, including myself, thought we would land there. Did you really expect the rest of the league watch is putting on make up and flirting with anyone who would pay attention and not try to get theirs too?
The big least failed because of incredibly poor leadership...that and a bunch of deadbeat catholic basketball schools.
Like I said, I F'in hate Pitt, but you can't lay this on them.
You can't blame them for the failure. But you can blame them for the backstabbing way they carried it out. The Big East was doomed the minute Miami left. Professing their loyalty and actually talking WVU into holding off any further conference flirting then as soon as the ripples stopped they jumped ship leaving the teams to fend for themselves. No different than the way RR went to Michigan. If he had been open and told everyone "Hey it's a once in a lifetime chance to coach at this level, I have to take it." he would not incur near the bitterness and hatred he does from half of the WVU fan base.
Come on, it was 1000% obvious to everyone on this board that we were leaving. You don't think that Peterson had that figured out? There was nothing underhanded about it, the just got the bid before we did because we were focused on the SEC
(& certain programs in the ACC hate us). It was clear to everyone with a brain what was going to happen, the only question was were each school would land. I don't need artificial excuses to hate Pitt. I hate them naturally!
I have absolutely no idea why you quoted my post and then started talking about the Big East break-up........ [smoke]
Are you kidding me? Who wants a Nationaly Televised game over a Thankgiving weekend that pays boatloads of cash with National interest and a century of history when you got Iowa State on Saturday at noon instead?
Maybe be because you are a freaking dumbass! Read your own posts dumb ****!
Well, maybe I am, hell, you might be right..... but tell you what, let's read it together and see if we can find "a freaking dumbass" or a "dumb ****" in there somewhere . I've quoted my post, highlighted it and attached it above so you can see it and we can read it together.
O.K........ Ready, set, go....... Huh, what do you know? I don't see the "Big Least", as you put it, or the Big East mentioned, implied or alluded to anywhere in my post....... but I now do understand who the "dumbass" and "dumb ****" is in this little exchange. [smoke]
Painted....you are so lucky this forum has Doom....
...or you'd be 'that guy'.
...or you'd be 'that guy'.
I'd like to see them on the schedule once in a while, but I don't think I want to play them every year. I like the idea of seeing VT, Maryland, PSU, NCSt, Tenn, UK, Bama, Rutgers etc roll in and out of the OOC schedule. It's more interesting. I don't blame Pitt and Syracuse for getting off that sinking wreck that the Big East was obviously becoming. At the same time there were a lot of players that completely screwed up Eastern football over a 10 to 15 year period and it sure as hell wasn't WVU at any juncture. So whatever is best for MY school is what I want. We don't owe any of our old rivals any favors.
1. Dumb ***, I highlighted nothing...only replied to your post (good lord, are you this stupid?)
2. you said, and I quote "guess I'll take to the grave and beyond that PITT, and Syracuse, sneaked out the backdoor to join the ACC with absolutely no consideration for the impact and consequences such a move would have on West Virginia University"
what do you think you are referring too here? HMMM? them leaving the Big East? Good lord...
3. stop making me defend Pitt...I don't enjoy it.
Done now?
Well, no. I'm not "done now". Maybe I should read my post again, give a minute, I'll be right back...... O.K. I'm back, thanks for waiting. I've read it and there's nothing written in there about you 'highlighting' anything, but I did say that I, meaning me, highlighted my first reply for your benefit when I offered that we read it together.
That first reading, the one we did together, reveled just which one of us was the "dumbass" and "dumb ****" you mentioned in your first posting....... and your follow-up posting, quoted above, proves that our finding was most certainly, absolutely, and without question, correct.
Now you tell me..... am I "done now"? [smoke]
Would love to see them back on the schedule. As others have mentioned we're going to win the majority of the games and the Pittsburgh area kids will see who has the superior program.
No. The Maryland series is more important IMO and along with our nine terrific conference games that leaves only two openings in our schedule. One of the openings will go to schools that don't require a return game so that we can have 6 or 7 home games every year. The last opening should go to other power conference schools like Penn State, VT, Rutgers, Kentucky, etc. It would be O.K. to occasional schedule Pitt in that last opening - maybe once every 6 or 7 years.
There are now a lot of nationally televised games on that weekend so I doubt the TV ratings would be anything special. I am also not so sure about the "boatload" of cash or national interest. WVU is already being highly compensated for our conference games and that includes the ISU game. And at least Iowa State has great fan support.
I have adjusted my thinking on this topic. I used to think I wanted the backyard brawl to return on an annual basis.....but the more I think about it, I'd like to see it return occasionally, with the in between times filled with VT, PSU, UM, UK, Tenn and the like. I don't think I would give the matchup more or less weight than any other regional, Power 5 opponent that we can get to schedule with us. That being said, I would like to see a series scheduled with Pitt sometime in the future.....just not allow it to become a "cast in stone, mark it on the calendar" yearly event........
How about a clockwise rotation -- home-and-home with The Pitt, Penn State, Maryland, Virginia, VPI, Kentucky and Ohio State? Repeat in 12 years.
I'd much rather resume a century+ rivalry than play Maryland, which opts out when it has a better offer anyway.
I like that we have Penn State and Virginia Tech coming up down the road, too. But I would trade Maryland for Pitt as an every-year game.
Either one plus plus the string of other teams lined up makes for two good OOC games.
With 9 Big 12 games, that only leaves the one payday game for the Georgia Southerns of the world. And I'd like to change that to a Power-5 team low in its conference standings, such as Indiana or Vanderbilt or Kentucky or Syracuse or Virginia or Purdue or Colorado or Washington State -- only one per year, of course, but that's 8 to choose from off the top of my head.
It still would be a WVU victory, but over a Power-5 bottom-feeder instead of a non-Power 5 lower classification team. It would mean more.
I mean, if every WVU game were against Power 5 teams, that would help come national playoff selection time, IF WVU can do better than 7-6.
I like that we have Penn State and Virginia Tech coming up down the road, too. But I would trade Maryland for Pitt as an every-year game.
Either one plus plus the string of other teams lined up makes for two good OOC games.
With 9 Big 12 games, that only leaves the one payday game for the Georgia Southerns of the world. And I'd like to change that to a Power-5 team low in its conference standings, such as Indiana or Vanderbilt or Kentucky or Syracuse or Virginia or Purdue or Colorado or Washington State -- only one per year, of course, but that's 8 to choose from off the top of my head.
It still would be a WVU victory, but over a Power-5 bottom-feeder instead of a non-Power 5 lower classification team. It would mean more.
I mean, if every WVU game were against Power 5 teams, that would help come national playoff selection time, IF WVU can do better than 7-6.
Don't look now but Pitt is a P5 bottom feeder & last time I checked Maryland stuck around longer than Pitt, so much of your reasoning makes no sense to me.
No.
Many great memories of exciting games and atmospheres, but it's over - like a bad relationship.
I'd much rather have a border rival recurring game with Maryland or Virginia Tech. I wish we played Kentucky. Heck, even rotate those three.
But not Pitt. Their fans don't measure up to ours, or to to the level of our Big 12 opponents or the three above mentioned. When we play in Pittsburgh and have more Mountaineer fans than Pitt fans in the stadium, that says enough.
No more, thanks.
Many great memories of exciting games and atmospheres, but it's over - like a bad relationship.
I'd much rather have a border rival recurring game with Maryland or Virginia Tech. I wish we played Kentucky. Heck, even rotate those three.
But not Pitt. Their fans don't measure up to ours, or to to the level of our Big 12 opponents or the three above mentioned. When we play in Pittsburgh and have more Mountaineer fans than Pitt fans in the stadium, that says enough.
No more, thanks.
Pitt is a regional program at best. If they were the power they were 35-40 years ago, I'd be all for it. These days it's a no win situation. If WVU loses it looks bad on a national level. If WVU wins, it's just another win over a weak program.
Give me PSU, VPI, or say a school like Tennessee. All would be quality games against solid programs.
Give me PSU, VPI, or say a school like Tennessee. All would be quality games against solid programs.