WVU has work cut out for it

[deedoubleyou]

I'll answer this.

Most people don't lose their jobs because of DUI's because their job isn't dependent upon public perception. Some jobs do - teachers, police officers, and especially coaches (why Brown is on the hot seat, right?) - to name a few.

Again, this wasn't just an isolated incident. Regardless of how one feels about the remarks he made on that radio program, his bosses didn't like it - because of public perception. So, he was already treading on thin ice. Add on the lack of wins that are commiserate to the pay, Gee wanting him gone, and some other in-house stuff, Huggins had to watch his step.

Now, who does this help? For one, it helps the public. A person with that Blood-Alcohol Content isn't like the person who just had a beer or couple glasses of wine with dinner. A person with a BAC of 2.1 is someone who is playing Russian Roulette with every car that passes. A person who drives around with a cooler in the vehicle? A person who carries trash bags to fill with empties? That's indicative of someone with an alcohol problem.

So, secondly, and most importantly, it helps Huggins. Without the pressure of leading this basketball team now he can focus on himself. Now, he can go to rehab without worry. Now he can get healthier, mentally and physically. He can get back to being someone who can be trusted to do the right thing again - the very same thing he attempts to teach his charges.

Basketball is important. Wins are important. But, most importantly, Huggins is important. Self-destruction is the worst. Maybe this can serve as a wake-up call, allow him to get on the straight and narrow, and perhaps even allow him to get back to the one thing he loves to do most of all - coaching.

Losing his job in no way helps the public, and in fact it may get worse. You can save the public from Huggins drinking by firing him from his job? I cant see the logic in that at all. The paragraph I highlighted is my real point. Huggins has been a coach his entire adult life. I dont think he can just let go so easily and his life just improves. In fact, his career ending this way, based on what I've seen with people I've known over the years who love to hit the booze, this is more likely to do the exact opposite of what the do-gooder wokies think it will do. Losing the job he loves and cares about so much in this manner, a HOF career ending this way is actually liable to push him further in it, or in a pretty deep depression. I literally cant even believe some of y'all cant see that. Oh well. I personally believe based on real life examples, that him being allowed to go to rehab and having a chance to stay on at WVU and make things right would have the best chance at actually helping Huggins avoid anything like this in the future, and therefore making the public a safer people. This man has given a lot to be at WVU and really doesnt get enough credit for all he has done from what I see. You can wish him to lose his job and what not, but personally, I think its unfair, unless it is that way for ever other citizen.

 

[deedoubleyou]

Moral Turpitude clauses, Many high profile jobs, or jobs that require you to be in front of the general public, will have them.

Would Hunter Biden lose his job? Thats right. The double standard is unfair and unAmerican.

 

[MountaineerWV]

Would Hunter Biden lose his job? Thats right. The double standard is unfair and unAmerican.

Does Hunter Biden have a job? That's a horrible example.

Would a firefighter lose their job? Police officer? Teacher? High school principal? Nurse?

 

[MountaineerWV]

Losing his job in no way helps the public, and in fact it may get worse. You can save the public from Huggins drinking by firing him from his job? I cant see the logic in that at all. The paragraph I highlighted is my real point. Huggins has been a coach his entire adult life. I dont think he can just let go so easily and his life just improves. In fact, his career ending this way, based on what I've seen with people I've known over the years who love to hit the booze, this is more likely to do the exact opposite of what the do-gooder wokies think it will do. Losing the job he loves and cares about so much in this manner, a HOF career ending this way is actually liable to push him further in it, or in a pretty deep depression. I literally cant even believe some of y'all cant see that. Oh well. I personally believe based on real life examples, that him being allowed to go to rehab and having a chance to stay on at WVU and make things right would have the best chance at actually helping Huggins avoid anything like this in the future. This man has given a lot to be at WVU and really doesnt get enough credit for all he has done from what I see. You can wish him to lose his job and what not, but personally, I think its unfair, unless it is that way for ever other citizen.

Listen, we all love Huggins. But he caused this to happen. Nobody else.

 

[deedoubleyou]

Listen, we all love Huggins. But he caused this to happen. Nobody else.

Well then let it go lol. You will absolutely not change my mind on this, and do you want to know why? Because I have been 100% against this very thing since the mid 90's when it became more popular to carry on this way. Sometime back then the media just decided sports figures are role models and therefore have to be held to certain higher standards and that means more punishment that others dont have to suffer. Dude no way in hell will I ever buy into that kind of dribble and think its fair or should even be legal lol! And no way any child of mine is going to grow up looking to sports figures and celebrities as some kind of moral authority. That is my job as a parent to instill in them. So basically, I have been 100% against this kind of thing for 25+ years. But with Huggins it now hits closer to home for sure. I have watched it happen, and nothing good ever comes out of it. In fact, if Huggins didnt get fired and WVU just shut the fk up about it, in 2 weeks it would go away because in real life, people actually dont give a ****. But right now, being that its pumped up by the media, people are foaming at the mouth wanting Huggs fired so they can somehow sleep better at night, and get online so they can say how Huggins messed up and has to be removed, yadda, yadda. Its like a broken record that has no point and literally helps no one in the end. If the firing came with the trade off, that they were going to help him get help, etc, etc I might consider supporting it, but it literally does nothing except shame people and add insult to injury. Huggins deserves better

 

[deedoubleyou]

Does Hunter Biden have a job? That's a horrible example.

Would a firefighter lose their job? Police officer? Teacher? High school principal? Nurse?

Actually a lot of them wouldnt and have already gotten away with far worse especially teachers. Very horrible example. Cops get away with **** all the time. I have been to the Morgantown polices private bar over behind where Superior Photo used to be. I've seen them drive out of there wasted as fk many times. I used to buy weed from a cop when I was in high school lol. I am a certified fire fighter btw, and have been a part of various forms of rescue since 1993. I have seen more death and saved more lives then your head would be able to wrap around. Ive worked with a lot of people who love booze and have had DUI's. I dont drink at all, so a DUI isnt in the cards for me. You have no idea what you are talking about and should just give it up. He's a basketball coach man lol. That's all. The world wouldnt end to give the dude a break like most people get. You ppl are fkn crazy if you ask me lol. Do you know how many DUI's happen every day? Why arent you online bitching about the rest of them and how people should be fired? Why dont you start a facebook group, that tracks every DUI that happens every hour of every day and start a movement to get those people fired from their job. Lead guitar players should get fired for DUI too. I mean why not....

 

[spartansstink]

Losing his job in no way helps the public, and in fact it may get worse. You can save the public from Huggins drinking by firing him from his job? I cant see the logic in that at all. The paragraph I highlighted is my real point. Huggins has been a coach his entire adult life. I dont think he can just let go so easily and his life just improves. In fact, his career ending this way, based on what I've seen with people I've known over the years who love to hit the booze, this is more likely to do the exact opposite of what the do-gooder wokies think it will do. Losing the job he loves and cares about so much in this manner, a HOF career ending this way is actually liable to push him further in it, or in a pretty deep depression. I literally cant even believe some of y'all cant see that. Oh well. I personally believe based on real life examples, that him being allowed to go to rehab and having a chance to stay on at WVU and make things right would have the best chance at actually helping Huggins avoid anything like this in the future, and therefore making the public a safer people. This man has given a lot to be at WVU and really doesnt get enough credit for all he has done from what I see. You can wish him to lose his job and what not, but personally, I think its unfair, unless it is that way for ever other citizen.

I definitely see your point. It could go both ways for sure.

However...

I hope it will help the public because it takes a chronic drunk driver, perhaps even an alcoholic (I can't say for sure but we can both agree the hallmarks are all there) off the road. I expect, as happens to most people after a DUI, that he will lose his license after this. He will also have to face some legal consequences as this wasn't his first offense. I look at it like this: it makes the roads safer for my family and yours, and if this was you or me it wouldn't (and shouldn't) make any difference - we'd face the same legal consequences. Just because Huggins is a WV celebrity shouldn't matter; rule of law applies to all of us. It doesn't always, unfortunately, and sometimes the heads of the law look the other way. Doesn't make it right.

Ultimately though, I think you and I see Huggins the same way. I see where you think it could drive him deeper because he's so driven. That's why I think he had to be let go - he couldn't commit himself to getting better because basketball would always be his first priority. We see this all the time also - the person who does a little rehab, comes out saying and doing the right things at first, but falls right back into the old habits. Sometimes this happens because of the people you hang with. Sometimes this happens because of the stress that occurs in your life. Without the stress and the constant smoozing that Huggins had to do, he will have a better chance of success if/when he does rehab. But, this is the best approach in my mind, and what would be best for Bob Huggins in the long run.

Regardless of what you or I say or feel, in the long run it all falls on Bob Huggins to seek out and succeed. It was his bad choices that got him here and it will be his choices that determine the outcome. Perhaps in a year he's back on the sidelines, perhaps this is the end of the line for a HOF career. Ultimately, it will all be determined by him.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

"Is his strongest supporters" lol. That would be "are" dumbass. "Infatuated your mind"...an example of your middle school education. You are such a dimwit...but then again you are woke.

Listen Johnny Boy did you even bother to read the article. The Republicans in the wvu state legislator have always had Gees back. They took his side over the wvu faculty who wanted him out. We know that you're a mental Midget who is unable to think for himself. Maybe you should brush up on your reading comprehension skills considering you like to play the role of grammar police.

https://wvmetronews.com/2021/12/06/republican-lawmakers-express-support-for-wvus-gee/

 

[MountaineerWV]

Well then let it go lol. You will absolutely not change my mind on this, and do you want to know why? Because I have been 100% against this very thing since the mid 90's when it became more popular to carry on this way. Sometime back then the media just decided sports figures are role models and therefore have to be held to certain higher standards and that means more punishment that others dont have to suffer. Dude no way in hell will I ever buy into that kind of dribble and think its fair or should even be legal lol! And no way any child of mine is going to grow up looking to sports figures and celebrities as some kind of moral authority. That is my job as a parent to instill in them. So basically, I have been 100% against this kind of thing for 25+ years. But with Huggins it now hits closer to home for sure. I have watched it happen, and nothing good ever comes out of it. In fact, if Huggins didnt get fired and WVU just shut the fk up about it, in 2 weeks it would go away because in real life, people actually dont give a ****. But right now, being that its pumped up by the media, people are foaming at the mouth wanting Huggs fired so they can somehow sleep better at night, and get online so they can say how Huggins messed up and has to be removed, yadda, yadda. Its like a broken record that has no point and literally helps no one in the end. If the firing came with the trade off, that they were going to help him get help, etc, etc I might consider supporting it, but it literally does nothing except shame people and add insult to injury. Huggins deserves better

Me? Let it go? It's you that can't stop saying "woke woke woke". Perhaps you should seek help?

Think about this. You have a kid, and your kid is asking to go on a drive with another person. Do you automatically "trust" that person? What if you knew that person had been busted for DUI's before, and has a drinking problem? I'm gonna bet, if you are a good parent, you'll tell your kid NO CHANCE IN HELL! Now, what about when it comes to doing their job, like being the LEADER of a PUBLIC university? Same thing.

Huggs, I love him.......I love what he meant to WVU........I love what he put in to the school and the state.......but this is solely on HIM. Nobody else. No "woke" policies. He did this, and he caused the end result.

 

[MountaineerWV]

Actually a lot of them wouldnt and have already gotten away with far worse especially teachers. Very horrible example. Cops get away with **** all the time. I have been to the Morgantown polices private bar over behind where Superior Photo used to be. I've seen them drive out of there wasted as fk many times. I used to buy weed from a cop when I was in high school lol. I am a certified fire fighter btw, and have been a part of various forms of rescue since 1993. I have seen more death and saved more lives then your head would be able to wrap around. Ive worked with a lot of people who love booze and have had DUI's. I dont drink at all, so a DUI isnt in the cards for me. You have no idea what you are talking about and should just give it up. He's a basketball coach man lol. That's all. The world wouldnt end to give the dude a break like most people get. You ppl are fkn crazy if you ask me lol. Do you know how many DUI's happen every day? Why arent you online bitching about the rest of them and how people should be fired? Why dont you start a facebook group, that tracks every DUI that happens every hour of every day and start a movement to get those people fired from their job. Lead guitar players should get fired for DUI too. I mean why not....

You are really losing it. And you aren't making your case any better. We get it...you are a "live free" person......until that "live free" mentality comes back to affect/impact you or your family. Then you'll sing a different tune.

And you using "lead guitar players" as an example......damn, you are really flipped out over this. If you think that a head coach of a public university and a lead guitarist for a band are equivalent? Damn. That's all I can say.

 

[deedoubleyou]

You are really losing it. And you aren't making your case any better. We get it...you are a "live free" person......until that "live free" mentality comes back to affect/impact you or your family. Then you'll sing a different tune.

And you using "lead guitar players" as an example......damn, you are really flipped out over this. If you think that a head coach of a public university and a lead guitarist for a band are equivalent? Damn. That's all I can say.

Breaking news:

Gordon Gee, president of WVU has released a statement along with Huggins and AD Wren Baker announcing that Huggins will enter a 60 day rehab program, and will be able to finish coaching out this season in exchange for his sobriety. Huggins will retire after the 23/24 season in an official announcement. A groundbreaking mutual agreement with Huggins and the WVU admin opened the door for this decision to be made. "We want to thank Bob Huggins for everything he has done for WVU and we want to encourage fans to come out and support the team and make his final year a great one! WVU will conduct a thorough coaching search in the meantime"

 

[deedoubleyou]

I definitely see your point. It could go both ways for sure.

However...

I hope it will help the public because it takes a chronic drunk driver, perhaps even an alcoholic (I can't say for sure but we can both agree the hallmarks are all there) off the road. I expect, as happens to most people after a DUI, that he will lose his license after this. He will also have to face some legal consequences as this wasn't his first offense. I look at it like this: it makes the roads safer for my family and yours, and if this was you or me it wouldn't (and shouldn't) make any difference - we'd face the same legal consequences. Just because Huggins is a WV celebrity shouldn't matter; rule of law applies to all of us. It doesn't always, unfortunately, and sometimes the heads of the law look the other way. Doesn't make it right.

Ultimately though, I think you and I see Huggins the same way. I see where you think it could drive him deeper because he's so driven. That's why I think he had to be let go - he couldn't commit himself to getting better because basketball would always be his first priority. We see this all the time also - the person who does a little rehab, comes out saying and doing the right things at first, but falls right back into the old habits. Sometimes this happens because of the people you hang with. Sometimes this happens because of the stress that occurs in your life. Without the stress and the constant smoozing that Huggins had to do, he will have a better chance of success if/when he does rehab. But, this is the best approach in my mind, and what would be best for Bob Huggins in the long run.

Regardless of what you or I say or feel, in the long run it all falls on Bob Huggins to seek out and succeed. It was his bad choices that got him here and it will be his choices that determine the outcome. Perhaps in a year he's back on the sidelines, perhaps this is the end of the line for a HOF career. Ultimately, it will all be determined by him.

That is very well said, and you are right it could go either way for sure. I think most of us want to see him get better, that's for sure. I am not in favor of how they handled this, and no way I would have totally fired him 100% right away, but in the end I just hope Huggs is ok and gets better. That is what it all comes down to. That dude has put his heart in WVU

 

[MountaineerWV]

Breaking news:

Gordon Gee, president of WVU has released a statement along with Huggins and AD Wren Baker announcing that Huggins will enter a 60 day rehab program, and will be able to finish coaching out this season in exchange for his sobriety. Huggins will retire after the 23/24 season in an official announcement. A groundbreaking mutual agreement with Huggins and the WVU admin opened the door for this decision to be made. "We want to thank Bob Huggins for everything he has done for WVU and we want to encourage fans to come out and support the team and make his final year a great one!"

You need help.

 

[deedoubleyou]

You need help.

My woman thinks I'm the best ever lol. Honestly man, if you wouldn't be ok with something like the situation I just faked, then maybe its you who needs help..... js

 

[The Bell Tolls for Thee]

Ok so you are admitting that this is purely emotional for you, and no logic enters the picture. I get it, Ive seen some bad stuff too. I have pulled many dead bodies from the river. But they never stop because people still want to run the heavy whitewater despite the dangers. Crazy sure, but you will NOT stop people from doing what they want to do even with more laws. Emotional people have no business deciding things though. You will never be able to make sense of the actual double standard that exist, because your emotions on this topic are way too high to see logic.

Reality is the no one got hurt. People do get hurt in life every day, of course, but in this situation no one got hurt at all. In your mind though, someone died and you would treat Bob Huggins as such.

It is data driven. 7 out of 10 motor vehicle deaths with regard to DUI occurs when someone with a BAL of over .15 is involved. A vast majority of DUI convictions are for BAL's less than .15. So the fact that you keep treating this a run of the mill DUI, when DUI by comparing this particular case to the average DUI is intellectually dishonest. This is far worse than the average DUI convicted in this country. Link here (https://www.responsibility.org/alco...statistics/drunk-driving-fatality-statistics/)

My illustration is because you do not present these preventable deaths for what they are rather than as meaningless stats you flippantly dismiss.

When it comes to moral judgements and representatives of a position in the public eye, which this obviously is, there is a difference between criminal/legal judgements and moral/principled judgements. I believe criminal and legislative policy should be as emotionless as possible which is why I am not advocating for Huggins to be tried for vehicular manslaughter. Same as I would never advocate for criminal proceeding in say a case of unmitigated marital infidelity. However, I would love to live in a world where the society I live in condemns the unfaithful as a the piece of **** they are lest they repent rather than make convenient excuses for them.

You cannot deny that what Huggins did with this DUI is far worse than the average DUI. You cannot deny that he was far more reckless and put people in harms way far more than the average DUI. You cannot deny that Huggins made this **** up despite having already suffered similar consequences once before for similar actions. You cannot deny that if a person is capable of basic daily life that it is well within reason to ask that they not be drunk at over 2.5 times the legal limit, drive a company car dozens and dozens of miles on high speed roads, drink beer while driving, black out for 7 hours, and end up 180 miles from where they think they should be.

I am very skeptical that had someone like Self done the exact same thing that you would not be shitting on KU for trying retain him despite regardless of if Self was a first timer unlike Huggins. I am also skeptical that had a much bigger philanthropist such as Bill Gates, who is a total douche by the way, lost out professionally from a DUI that you would be so keen on defending him by way of his track record of doing good. So spare me that Bob was such a big part of the University and so charitable. You either think Bob's behavior is as simple as "boys will be boys" which would make you vapid or morally questionable or you are willing to compromise because you think Huggins is the best chance WVU has for any sports success in the coming years and find his philanthropy and "good ole boy" status a convenient mitigation. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt and favoring the latter.