WVUs future in this conference

[Buckaineer]

The BIG 12 is plagued much like the Big East was with inaction. It has been clear for years the conference needed to expand, yet they can't get it done. The conference is facing being left out of the playoffs again, because everyone knocks everyone out, because so many schools refuse to play anyone out of conference and because being smaller there are far less voices pulling for the conference.

The media and committee are majorly disrespecting the conference each year but the conference can't come to the determination to act and address issues facing it.

For WVU this could have serious implications down the road. WVU can't sit back and assume ten years from now all will be well as some want to do. Realignment is paused, not dead and virtually all the sports media predict the BIG 12 in danger. Therefore it would be foolish for the leaders of WVU to sit back and do nothing . They've either got to proactively push their conference into action or make preparations, because being sent down to the minors is not a good outcome for WVU.

The playoff committees initial rankings make It a slim chance for the BIG 12 to be in the playoffs again-and that isn't something they can withstand for long. WVu has much more to worry about than coaching.

 

[pressvirginia]

yeah exactly. what's the use playing and losing to the football gauntlet? the gauntlet isn't respected anywhere outside of the BXII.

the perception by and large - and that of the committee - is BXII teams have no defense and are halfway complete football teams. there's no respect or regard for the offenses. people want the BXII teams to both score 60 and defend those offenses at the same time and hold them below 60. do it all or else.

when SEC games are 9-6 or 19-14 or 10-7 people applaud & say what great defense. well what about the offense? it can't be both ways.

let's not forget what TCU did to Ole Miss' famed Land Shark defense that was widely touted as the best in the United States. Whoops. Or how many points and stats Baylor posted against Michigan State's ballyhooed defense. I guess that doesn't count either.

Long term I hope WVU gets back to playing eastern football and traditional rivals. the money aspect of all this affects me none and with no stake, I have no care for how much revenue is pumped into the school. Last week I got another letter from WVU asking for money. All you hear is how we can't afford a big coach or can't afford to get rid of Dana. Then why did WVU join the BXII? If it's not money then what is it? To play Kansas? Iowa State over Thanksgiving?

 

[ThePunish-EER]

yeah exactly. what's the use playing and losing to the football gauntlet? the gauntlet isn't respected anywhere outside of the BXII.

the perception by and large - and that of the committee - is BXII teams have no defense and are halfway complete football teams. there's no respect or regard for the offenses. people want the BXII teams to both score 60 and defend those offenses at the same time and hold them below 60. do it all or else.

when SEC games are 9-6 or 19-14 or 10-7 people applaud & say what great defense. well what about the offense? it can't be both ways.

let's not forget what TCU did to Ole Miss' famed Land Shark defense that was widely touted as the best in the United States. Whoops. Or how many points and stats Baylor posted against Michigan State's ballyhooed defense. I guess that doesn't count either.

Long term I hope WVU gets back to playing eastern football and traditional rivals. the money aspect of all this affects me none and with no stake, I have no care for how much revenue is pumped into the school. Last week I got another letter from WVU asking for money. All you hear is how we can't afford a big coach or can't afford to get rid of Dana. Then why did WVU join the BXII? If it's not money then what is it? To play Kansas? Iowa State over Thanksgiving?

nobody besides the "mouth breathers" is saying we can't afford a top coach. Those in the know are taking a wait and see approach. Once again, you can't judge this team based on losing 4 straight to 4 straight top 10 teams with a combined record of 32-1. Dana has 5 more games left. If he wins out we are 8-4. I'm thinking he goes 3-2 to finish at 6-6. Who knows?

 

[Cheers]

The BIG 12 is plagued much like the Big East was with inaction. It has been clear for years the conference needed to expand, yet they can't get it done. The conference is facing being left out of the playoffs again, because everyone knocks everyone out, because so many schools refuse to play anyone out of conference and because being smaller there are far less voices pulling for the conference.

The media and committee are majorly disrespecting the conference each year but the conference can't come to the determination to act and address issues facing it.

For WVU this could have serious implications down the road. WVU can't sit back and assume ten years from now all will be well as some want to do. Realignment is paused, not dead and virtually all the sports media predict the BIG 12 in danger. Therefore it would be foolish for the leaders of WVU to sit back and do nothing . They've either got to proactively push their conference into action or make preparations, because being sent down to the minors is not a good outcome for WVU.

The playoff committees initial rankings make It a slim chance for the BIG 12 to be in the playoffs again-and that isn't something they can withstand for long. WVu has much more to worry about than coaching.

It's too early to make any predictions about the playoff. The first ballot means nothing and will change 5 more times as we get to January. The media is biased, no question, and clearly the SEC is the media darling, but th e world is biased. Everyone has buttholes and opinions, it's a fact of life. If Texas and OU were at the top instead of TCU and Baylor then the Big 12 would have one if not two teams in the initial rankings. They are the Bell Cows of this conference. When Texas gets back to being Texas all will be right with the perception of the conference. Until then, try and ignore the noise and stay focused on the prize. WVU can only control what it can control. And WVU needs to get a LOT better.

 

[Euell]

The BIG 12 is plagued much like the Big East was with inaction. It has been clear for years the conference needed to expand, yet they can't get it done. The conference is facing being left out of the playoffs again, because everyone knocks everyone out, because so many schools refuse to play anyone out of conference and because being smaller there are far less voices pulling for the conference.

The media and committee are majorly disrespecting the conference each year but the conference can't come to the determination to act and address issues facing it.

For WVU this could have serious implications down the road. WVU can't sit back and assume ten years from now all will be well as some want to do. Realignment is paused, not dead and virtually all the sports media predict the BIG 12 in danger. Therefore it would be foolish for the leaders of WVU to sit back and do nothing . They've either got to proactively push their conference into action or make preparations, because being sent down to the minors is not a good outcome for WVU.

The playoff committees initial rankings make It a slim chance for the BIG 12 to be in the playoffs again-and that isn't something they can withstand for long. WVu has much more to worry about than coaching.

I know it is discouraging that Baylor and TCU are ranked so low currently, but I feel if one of them wins out they will make the playoffs. Of course I thought the same thing last year. Baylor needs to quit playing OOC patsies.

 

[BCSE1951]

I know it is discouraging that Baylor and TCU are ranked so low currently, but I feel if one of them wins out they will make the playoffs. Of course I thought the same thing last year. Baylor needs to quit playing OOC patsies.

check out Bama's schedule, who did they play???????????

 

[Buckaineer]

What you see when you look at what they've done is essentially guarantee others a spot. Two schools including Notre Dame? ahead of the BIg 12 with a loss? Ohio State, Clemson, Alabama and ND aren't likely to have another loss but they also aren't likely to play as tough a schedule as Baylor, TCU, OK State or OU. Problem is the tough BIG 12 schedule is IN conference and the committee is ignoring that entirely.

The BIG 12 needs more talking heads on tv and in the papers and on the internet touting BIG 12 football.

Baylors defense right now is statistically ahead of LSU and others but because the talking heads are bashing them for being able to score it doesn't matter.

The BIG 12 won't mandate a P5 OOC and schools are skating by with light schedules OOC and for the BIG 12 -THAT is what is being looked at for SOS- not round robin in conference play.

The conference refuses to act on expansion- giving them less of a voice and less political clout. No CCG and everyone playing each other and knocking each other off is only seen as beneficial in the BIG 12 but is severely hurting everywhere else. The conference refuses to do anything and you have to ask why?

What is the plan? The conspiracy theories are out there of desired break up of the conference for certain schools and sometimes you must wonder. There's no benefit to continually being shunned by the CFP committee and media and essentially ignored because it's more than clear the powers that be are going to lock out the BIG 12 unless it conforms and the conference apparently will not do anything to counter that.

For WVU this means things must change --hopefully there are plans for the future besides waiting around for a Big East scenario to emerge down the road which many signs are pointing to. Some are happy about that because they think it means joining schools that haven't wanted any association, but that is far from a likely outcome based on history. WVU must prepare itself for any possibility.

 

[Buckaineer]

I know it is discouraging that Baylor and TCU are ranked so low currently, but I feel if one of them wins out they will make the playoffs. Of course I thought the same thing last year. Baylor needs to quit playing OOC patsies.

Even if the BIG 12 schools win out, everyone else but ND has a 13 th game, and ND is going to be credited with playing Stanford and vice versa. We'll see if the committee actually awards SOS as BIG 12 teams face the gauntlet in November, but they have discounted OK state for example beating then top 25 WVU and discounted teams beating Texas Tech as well even though Tech demolished Arkansas over there.

 

[WiiWii]

The BIG 12 is plagued much like the Big East was with inaction. It has been clear for years the conference needed to expand, yet they can't get it done. The conference is facing being left out of the playoffs again, because everyone knocks everyone out, because so many schools refuse to play anyone out of conference and because being smaller there are far less voices pulling for the conference.

The media and committee are majorly disrespecting the conference each year but the conference can't come to the determination to act and address issues facing it.

For WVU this could have serious implications down the road. WVU can't sit back and assume ten years from now all will be well as some want to do. Realignment is paused, not dead and virtually all the sports media predict the BIG 12 in danger. Therefore it would be foolish for the leaders of WVU to sit back and do nothing . They've either got to proactively push their conference into action or make preparations, because being sent down to the minors is not a good outcome for WVU.

The playoff committees initial rankings make It a slim chance for the BIG 12 to be in the playoffs again-and that isn't something they can withstand for long. WVu has much more to worry about than coaching.

West Virginia Fan = perpetual inferiority complex.

 

[ThePunish-EER]

West Virginia Fan = perpetual inferiority complex.

its pretty damn sad.

 

[WESTBGVA]

its pretty damn sad.

what's also sad is someone claiming to be an RN calling another poster a "retard."..

 

[ThePunish-EER]

what's also sad is someone claiming to be an RN calling another poster a "retard."..

if the shoe fits, it fits. As I told Tru, don't act the part.

 

[oceantide83]

You can thank Misery. WVU should be in the SEC.

 

[WESTBGVA]

what's also sad is someone claiming to be an RN calling another poster a "retard."..

I haven't heard anyone called that in at least a decade, least of all by anyone in the medical profession. guess we run in different circles..it's Special Needs..

 

[Buckaineer]

What's pretty damn sad is those who can't deal with the truth but just want to play make believe and get all bent out of shape when someone slaps them in the face with reality.

 

[hbeacheer]

No one in the media respects the big 12. ESPN controls the selection process and will do whatever it takes to get the sec, big 10, acc, pac12 and nd in before any undefeated big 12 team. Until ok or tx starts to run the table the big 12 will continue to be left out.

 

[ThePunish-EER]

I haven't heard anyone called that in at least a decade, least of all by anyone in the medical profession. guess we run in different circles..it's Special Needs..

lmao the "politically correct" crowd. Yes, obviously we certainly do run in different crowds. Those people are annoying and ignorant.

 

[WESTBGVA]

lmao the "politically correct" crowd. Yes, obviously we certainly do run in different crowds. Those people are annoying and ignorant.

so people who live in the 70's and call others "retards" are some how not annoying and ignorant..to..you know..normal people

 

[WESTBGVA]

[QUOTE="WESTBGVA, post: 487634, member

 

[ThePunish-EER]

so people who live in the 70's and call others "retards" are some how not annoying and ignorant..to..you know..normal people

what is annoying and ignorant are people who act like "retards" regardless of which generation the term originated in. Fact after fact is presented to the numbskulls and it's not accepted due to either, 1.) flawed reasoning, or 2.) incapacitated and impaired mental abilities. If you and others don't like the decades old terminology or labels, don't act the part. It's that simple.

 

[ThePunish-EER]

perhaps someone like me should contact your hospital..since you post at work..is that IP Bluefield?

bluefield? Haha.

 

[WESTBGVA]

perhaps someone like me should contact your hospital

bluefield? Haha.

you do post from work..you have too much time on your hands..

 

[ThePunish-EER]

you do post from work..you have too much time on your hands..

sorry "retard". You are wrong. Not posting at work. Not working or living in bluefield. So please, contact whatever hospital in bluefield you believe I'm at and see how far that gets you lol. They may ask you to come in for a mental hygiene hearing when you ask for ThePunish-EER lol

 

[WESTBGVA]

what is annoying and ignorant are people who act like "retards" regardless of which generation the term originated in. Fact after fact is presented to the numbskulls and it's not accepted due to either, 1.) flawed reasoning, or 2.) incapacitated and impaired mental abilities. If you and others don't like the decades old terminology or labels, don't act the part. It's that simple.

you still used the word "retard"...you are not an RN who I'd let give me an aspirin, much less stick a needle in my arm or ***..YOU are a walking inferiority complex...who in 2015 calls any human being a retard...YOU DO..

 

[ThePunish-EER]

you still used the word "retard"...you are not an RN who I'd let give me an aspirin, much less stick a needle in my arm or ***..YOU are a walking inferiority complex...who in 2015 calls any human being a retard...YOU DO..

and you know, just as any RN thinks, go somewhere else for treatment if you don't like it lol. Walking inferiority complex? Funny coming from the source lol. Don't like the label, don't act like a retard.

 

[WESTBGVA]

and you know, just as any RN thinks, go somewhere else for treatment if you don't like it lol. Walking inferiority complex? Funny coming from the source lol. Don't like the label, don't act like a retard.

whatever

 

[skygusty_rivals]

Sad thread right here.

 

[WESTBGVA]

Sad thread right here.

Sad thread right here.

exactly my thought.somehow people slip through the cracks..

 

[Euell]

check out Bama's schedule, who did they play???????????

A good Wisconsin team OOC and a bunch of good SEC teams. Their current SOS is ranked at #3.

 

[wbgvwbgv]

yeah exactly. what's the use playing and losing to the football gauntlet? the gauntlet isn't respected anywhere outside of the BXII.

the perception by and large - and that of the committee - is BXII teams have no defense and are halfway complete football teams. there's no respect or regard for the offenses. people want the BXII teams to both score 60 and defend those offenses at the same time and hold them below 60. do it all or else.

when SEC games are 9-6 or 19-14 or 10-7 people applaud & say what great defense. well what about the offense? it can't be both ways.

let's not forget what TCU did to Ole Miss' famed Land Shark defense that was widely touted as the best in the United States. Whoops. Or how many points and stats Baylor posted against Michigan State's ballyhooed defense. I guess that doesn't count either.

Long term I hope WVU gets back to playing eastern football and traditional rivals. the money aspect of all this affects me none and with no stake, I have no care for how much revenue is pumped into the school. Last week I got another letter from WVU asking for money. All you hear is how we can't afford a big coach or can't afford to get rid of Dana. Then why did WVU join the BXII? If it's not money then what is it? To play Kansas? Iowa State over Thanksgiving?

Agree with you PressVA. Playing Texas, OSU, Oklahoma, and others isn't that exciting. The old Big East should have stayed together and invited Marshall instead of TCU. I really miss playing Rutgers.

Fire Holgorsen and hire Holliday - he is a true West Virginia Coach

 

[ThePunish-EER]

exactly my thought.somehow people slip through the cracks..

sadly, several of you slipped through the educational system.

 

[TruWVblu]

sadly, several of you slipped through the educational system.

Both of my daughters are nurses, and I can honestly say you are a disgrace to their profession. I cannot believe that a professional person, and I use that term lightly with you, would resort to personal attacks and call people names as you do here. Again, I believe you are a coward and would never say these things to people's face.

 

[JIMEER86]

The BIG 12 is plagued much like the Big East was with inaction. It has been clear for years the conference needed to expand, yet they can't get it done. The conference is facing being left out of the playoffs again, because everyone knocks everyone out, because so many schools refuse to play anyone out of conference and because being smaller there are far less voices pulling for the conference.

The media and committee are majorly disrespecting the conference each year but the conference can't come to the determination to act and address issues facing it.

For WVU this could have serious implications down the road. WVU can't sit back and assume ten years from now all will be well as some want to do. Realignment is paused, not dead and virtually all the sports media predict the BIG 12 in danger. Therefore it would be foolish for the leaders of WVU to sit back and do nothing . They've either got to proactively push their conference into action or make preparations, because being sent down to the minors is not a good outcome for WVU.

The playoff committees initial rankings make It a slim chance for the BIG 12 to be in the playoffs again-and that isn't something they can withstand for long. WVu has much more to worry about than coaching.

The big 12 (unlike the BE) has flagships programs like Texas and Oklahoma. The conference won't expand until both Texas and Oklahoma (esp Texas) want it to. The serious implications down the road only occur if Texas leaves. We cannot "push" Texas into expanding and the best "preparations" we can make is to spend money on the program and build it up as much as possible. But that's something we need to do whether the Big 12 fails or not. The initial playoff rankings mean about as much as last years initial rankings (almost nothing). The sky isn't falling.

 

[mounty99]

If a deserving Big 12 Team gets left out this year the conference will move to expand. The power players weren't going to make a decision after one season. If it happens again it will happen.
I'm not sold on OSU and with Baylor's QB situation my guess is the conference doesn't have any unbeaten teams at the end and get left out.

If Texas and OU returned to world beater form it would help the entire conference. If a Baylor, TCU or OSU beat top flight OU and Texas it gives them more respect. With Texas down and OU good but not great it's hard to say how good the conference actually is from the outside looking in. Parity is actually a bad thing in college football.

 

[Samuel S]

I don't see an upside to adding any teams that we could realistically get. Even BYU would be the addition of just a middle of the pack team. Any other team would likely be a bottom feeder most of the time. That isn't going to help the perception or the reality of the conference's strength.

Adding a championship game, over time, is just as likely to hurt as help in the 4 team playoff. For every time a team "wins its way in" there would likely be a "losing its way out" season.

I also think that when its UT or Oklahoma at the top, a 1 loss Big 12 team will be treated as well as or better than other 1 loss teams.

Finally, I don't think the 4 team setup will last. It's not just Big 12 teams that get passed over based on subjective selection. Already, we can see the 4 team field forces highly debatable calls among teams with similar records and SOS. I expect the change to 8 will get done because of that and the fact it would also mean more money for everyone. A win-win is easy to see by everyone.

So, if we expand and then the playoff goes to 8 shortly thereafter, all we have is a weaker conference that has to split the money in more slices and the additional teams will do nothing to get more of our teams in the playoffs.

From a purely selfish WVU perspective, why would we want to bring in teams over which we currently have an advantage precisely because we are in and they are not?

 

[HurdyGurdyEer]

If a one loss B12 gets left out again there will be:

1) A serious consideration by the B12 to expand, and

2) More serious talk of expanding the play-off to 8 teams; 5 conference champs and 3 at larges from P5 and non-P5 conferences.

 

[ThePunish-EER]

Both of my daughters are nurses, and I can honestly say you are a disgrace to their profession. I cannot believe that a professional person, and I use that term lightly with you, would resort to personal attacks and call people names as you do here. Again, I believe you are a coward and would never say these things to people's face.

listen up Mr crybaby "retard", the only disgrace here is you. You don't know me. I would say this to you verbally as well. Grow a sack or get lost.

 

[TruWVblu]

listen up Mr crybaby "retard", the only disgrace here is you. You don't know me. I would say this to you verbally as well. Grow a sack or get lost.

Oh, I know you and so does everyone else. And they know you would not say any of this to anyone's face. You have some real keyboard courage and nothing more.

 

[ThePunish-EER]

Oh, I know you and so does everyone else. And they know you would not say any of this to anyone's face. You have some real keyboard courage and nothing more.

whatever makes you sleep better at night lol. Crybaby lol

 

[Buckaineer]

There isn't a conference that has expanded that added teams not in the middle of the pack or lower. So why would anyone think the BIG 12 would need to add teams at the top?

The conference has four top 15 teams and no one else does.

The reasons it's getting left out aren't because there aren't more teams at the top, or that OU or UT aren't good. OU has been very good in fact. It's because some won't play anyone OOC and the conference only plays 12 games and is without a CCG.

Playing a round robin schedule isn't helping the conference and having the smallest footprint is killing it.

The conference must be proactive now-- hopefully they'll have someone go undefeated, but it's not very likely. year after year the conference will be in the exact same position and the leaders can't just sit back anymore.