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Rhuarc

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Paul and Caleb play well together in the backcourt. Caleb has a decent handle and is a pretty good passer. As long Caleb is back whatever Spencer (along with Simpson and Miller) bring to ball rotation is supplemental. That is, as long as Caleb is back….

Without Caleb? Yes, this would be one of many concerns. Despite not being a great offensive player, Caleb just fills so many needs on both sides of the ball that would be big question marks without him. Let’s just hope.
I agree with this. Just need to get Caleb back now. He's a glue guy that does a little bit of everything. I think his offensive game will grow a bit with more touches this season as well.
 

PSAL_Hoops

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But if Caleb doesn't come back then we will bring in someone to replace him so it's not this roster with or without Caleb. Its with Caleb or without Caleb + TBD... likely someone better offensively and worse defensively
I’m usually positive, but this isn’t really where it’s at. We can (and should) bring someone additional in to fill Ron and/or Jaden’s spot whether Caleb returns or not to enhance the bench. It’d be a stretch though to say there’s a “stud in the waiting” out there who we aren’t landing just because Caleb might be there. I just don’t see that being the hold up given our roster and the fact that Caleb isn’t dominant scorer.
 

PSAL_Hoops

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Good post Scarlet Blind, as for Caleb finishing the year strong offensively, I'd just like to remind everyone of the way he basically carried the team on his back in the last game of the season against ND.
Agreed. If you take away the games where he had the Yips (that had to be a weird mental block - he was missing point blank bunnies) and the games he played injured or recovering from injury, his offensive numbers would look a lot better. I say this with others pointing to small sample size as the excuse for certain players with less attempts than Caleb.
 
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Scarlet Blind_rivals

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Cliff isn't going to shoot 70% next year. Let's not set unrealistic expectations.

If anything, his percentage is likely to drop. He will be more involved in the offense and taking more non dunk attempts. We will likely see more outside shots and even him taking some 3's. All of these factors should lead to a lower FG%. 70% is unreasonable
I didn't say FGs, so was talking about how good our FT shooters will be at the end of the games. Cliff shot 62.5% FG and 60% FT in 21-22, but 62% FT last 12 games. It is not unrealistic for Cliff to shoot 65-70% from the line next year. His overall FG% might go down a bit because he will be taking many more 3 point FGs, but his 2pt FG% will head more towards the 65-70% range as well.
 
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Scangg

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I didn't say FGs, so was talking about how good our FT shooters will be at the end of the games. Cliff shot 62.5% FG and 60% FT in 21-22, but 62% FT last 12 games. It is not unrealistic for Cliff to shoot 65-70% from the line next year. His overall FG% might go down a bit because he will be taking many more 3 point FGs, but his 2pt FG% will head more towards the 65-70% range as well.
Misread my bad. Yes I think Cliff can shoot 70% from the FT line
 

PSAL_Hoops

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If i were to make a wild guess...wild guess

Paul Spencer McConnell Mag Cliff is our lineup most likely to finish games.

I am really worried about our offense. 1st year in I don't know how many years I am more concerned about O than D.
In fairness - what did you expect from the offense going into 2019-20? Looking back, Caleb led all 3 point shooters returning to the team that season. Even the transfers. Yeboah shot 31% from there the prior year for Stonybrook. Young hadn’t been a good shooter over 2 seasons at Texas.

We didn’t have a high volume sharp shooter like Cam Spencer. We didn’t have a big like Dean who could nail it from deep.

What we had was a transition game that we don’t seem to have the personnel to excel in. But you never know. Maybe Simpson will come in and add that dimension off the bench.
 

Lawboy12007

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Simpson is just the type of player we are missing. A pass first guard that can break down a defense with dribble penetration and then dish or take it to the hoop. He came up bigger against better competition as you can recall from his games against Camden or in the States. He will see significant minutes this year. Would have been rated a four star had he played in northern Jersey.
 

NewJerseyHawk

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Simpson is just the type of player we are missing. A pass first guard that can break down a defense with dribble penetration and then dish or take it to the hoop. He came up bigger against better competition as you can recall from his games against Camden or in the States. He will see significant minutes this year. Would have been rated a four star had he played in northern Jersey.

I agree on Simpson, he should earn a larger role on this roster. And like Cliff when we had Myles Johnson, it is a valuable freshman experience to play with a veteran group, while not being asked to do too much, too early. Simpson sets up well to be a 20 to 25 minutes a game type of player.
 

RUBOB72

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I still feel we need a B1G who can shoot, board and play the 5 if needed. Maybe Pike doesn’t think it necessary but we lose a very important piece in RHJ.
 

PSAL_Hoops

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If i were to make a wild guess...wild guess

Paul Spencer McConnell Mag Cliff is our lineup most likely to finish games.

I am really worried about our offense. 1st year in I don't know how many years I am more concerned about O than D.

I agree on Simpson, he should earn a larger role on this roster. And like Cliff when we had Myles Johnson, it is a valuable freshman experience to play with a veteran group, while not being asked to do too much, too early. Simpson sets up well to be a 20 to 25 minutes a game type of player.
It’s always a crap shoot trying to predict which kids will contribute as frosh. From the limited film I’ve seen on him though, the kid seems like a quick slasher type - I see potential for him being able to contribute the way Tez did as a younger player beating guys down the floor.
 

jerzeyguy

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I remember all the hype post about Jaden Jones scoring 10-12 ppg and taking a starting role by mid season. Board even hyped up Jalen Miller. Now its Simpson gonna come in and play a big role. Im assuming this is more desperation talk- kinda how it was for Jones and Miller. Since Pike hasn't brought in much lately gotta hype up what we have. Even tho Simpson probably won't be ready
 
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RUPete

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I remember all the hype post about Jaden Jones scoring 10-12 ppg and taking a starting role by mid season. Board even hyped up Jalen Miller. Now its Simpson gonna come in and play a big role. Im assuming this is more desperation talk- kinda how it was for Jones and Miller. Since Pike hasn't brought in much lately gotta hype up what we have. Even tho Simpson probably won't be ready
I don’t remember Miller talk like that, but Jones was a very highly rated recruit who enrolled early. I didn’t think he would replace starters but I was shocked at how lost he looked and that he didn’t contribute more.
 

jerzeyguy

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I don’t remember Miller talk like that, but Jones was a very highly rated recruit who enrolled early. I didn’t think he would replace starters but I was shocked at how lost he looked and that he didn’t contribute more.
His filmed was being hyped up. Can get into the lane, finish with both hands. Some thought he would have a role, and were questioning why weren't seeing him early on. I think we all thought Jaden would play an impactful role, but some were going overboard
 

MADHAT1

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I remember all the hype post about Jaden Jones scoring 10-12 ppg and taking a starting role by mid season. Board even hyped up Jalen Miller. Now its Simpson gonna come in and play a big role. Im assuming this is more desperation talk- kinda how it was for Jones and Miller. Since Pike hasn't brought in much lately gotta hype up what we have. Even tho Simpson probably won't be ready
That's what we do, hype up the new kid on the block as the next superstar.
When right brag about our ability to spot talent.
When wrong, wait till next year and fawn over the next new kid on the block who is a can't miss superstar 😄
 
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mikebal9

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I’ll be very surprised if Cliff doesn’t take a major step up offensively this year. He probably missed out on 4 PPG just from dunks that rimmed out. If he keeps developing that mid range and works on his touch around the basket he’s going to be a force (more than he already is).
Are you saying you believe Cliff missed 2 dunks per game?
 
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RUsojo

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I agree on Simpson, he should earn a larger role on this roster. And like Cliff when we had Myles Johnson, it is a valuable freshman experience to play with a veteran group, while not being asked to do too much, too early. Simpson sets up well to be a 20 to 25 minutes a game type of player.
What are your thoughts on the dynamic of pike going after lofton and the idea of pike Simpson being ready for 20-25 minutes a game?
 

PSAL_Hoops

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What are your thoughts on the dynamic of pike going after lofton and the idea of pike Simpson being ready for 20-25 minutes a game?
I’m hopeful he expects early Tez type performance from Simpson. Spark off the bench who can beat everyone down the floor on a fast break. Maybe draw some fouls. Hopefully play tough defense. I’m not sure how many minutes that would translate to but there’s a role for a transition player on this roster. Assuming Caleb returns, it’s probably the biggest piece missing.
 

PSAL_Hoops

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I still feel we need a B1G who can shoot, board and play the 5 if needed. Maybe Pike doesn’t think it necessary but we lose a very important piece in RHJ.
1) Ron almost never played the 5.

2) We produced a tournament team in 2019-20 and 2020-21 without Ron shooting amazing from deep. So to be good, we clearly don’t need a 4 to replicate his 2021-22 perimeter shooting.

3) As for rebounding, I don’t see that as an area of drop off either assuming Caleb is playing with Hyatt or Mag.

The issues in order:

1) Ron would create his own shot by penetrating in the paint. Without him there as a go to, will any of these other guys emerge with more confidence to do this? If Caleb in particular could finish more at the rim, he suddenly becomes dangerous because he has a midrange game. We’ll see.

2) Ron is a MUCH better help ball handler than Hyatt and Mag. This may impact rotation options when either Paul or Caleb sit as both of them need a second ball handler for support when running the PG duties. Should Caleb choose to stay in the draft, this would be a major concern.
 

PSAL_Hoops

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On the last point - the concerning reflection of note is that we almost never didn’t have 2 of 3 (Paul, Geo and Caleb) on the court at the same time last season. Miller was the next best ball handler, but lacked offense. This was often overlooked as a reason he was put in the game (by the “play Jaden”campaign). It wasn’t only about better defense. He often checked in for stability running the point because we had nobody else.

Ron was next best and typically 3rd best ball handler on the floor. So we’ll be replacing a huge chunk of our 2nd and 3rd ball handling options. And if we’re being honest, Geo is the best pure ball handler of all of them.
 

RUChoppin

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I’ll be very surprised if Cliff doesn’t take a major step up offensively this year. He probably missed out on 4 PPG just from dunks that rimmed out. If he keeps developing that mid range and works on his touch around the basket he’s going to be a force (more than he already is).
Per Bart, he missed 14 dunks in 32 games.
 
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GM

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What are your thoughts on the dynamic of pike going after lofton and the idea of pike Simpson being ready for 20-25 minutes a game?
IMO, I bet Pike thinks Simpson is ready for B1G and likes our current lineup, but when he saw Lofton available he was willing to shift his plans as he knows Lofton would be a big time impact player and he had a shot with him
 

RUsojo

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IMO, I bet Pike thinks Simpson is ready for B1G and likes our current lineup, but when he saw Lofton available he was willing to shift his plans as he knows Lofton would be a big time impact player and he had a shot with him
I wanted to think that but it’s not really the way he has used the portal in the past so I think it’s unlikely to be the case
 

PSAL_Hoops

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I wanted to think that but it’s not really the way he has used the portal in the past so I think it’s unlikely to be the case
It doesn’t seem like he’s desperate to land someone else though. He was desperate to make sure we landed one guard (offers flying from one target to the next) until we got Spencer.

Between Miller and Simpson there’s a minimum of 10-15 minutes of PT with either Paul or Caleb. Neither will play 40 mph and one of the guards will likely go in when either of them sits.
 
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RUBOB72

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1) Ron almost never played the 5.

2) We produced a tournament team in 2019-20 and 2020-21 without Ron shooting amazing from deep. So to be good, we clearly don’t need a 4 to replicate his 2021-22 perimeter shooting.

3) As for rebounding, I don’t see that as an area of drop off either assuming Caleb is playing with Hyatt or Mag.

The issues in order:

1) Ron would create his own shot by penetrating in the paint. Without him there as a go to, will any of these other guys emerge with more confidence to do this? If Caleb in particular could finish more at the rim, he suddenly becomes dangerous because he has a midrange game. We’ll see.

2) Ron is a MUCH better help ball handler than Hyatt and Mag. This may impact rotation options when either Paul or Caleb sit as both of them need a second ball handler for support when running the PG duties. Should Caleb choose to stay in the draft, this would be a major concern.
I didn’t say Ron played the 5 position. I said we need another B1G as in the 6-8 to 6-10” who can swing between the PF and C spots. Remember that kid ??? Pike brought in from Stoney Brook . Yeah that’s the type of guy.
 

PSAL_Hoops

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I didn’t say Ron played the 5 position. I said we need another B1G as in the 6-8 to 6-10” who can swing between the PF and C spots. Remember that kid ??? Pike brought in from Stoney Brook . Yeah that’s the type of guy.
Yes - obviously a Yeboah type would be great but there was an inside connection. Those types of kids are tough to land in the portal though.

I was focused on the part of your post that emphasized the loss of RHJ which won’t impact us much at all at the 5 position.
 

Scangg

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I didn’t say Ron played the 5 position. I said we need another B1G as in the 6-8 to 6-10” who can swing between the PF and C spots. Remember that kid ??? Pike brought in from Stoney Brook . Yeah that’s the type of guy.
Yeboah was 6.6
 
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RUBOB72

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Yes - obviously a Yeboah type would be great but there was an inside connection. Those types of kids are tough to land in the portal though.

I was focused on the part of your post that emphasized the loss of RHJ which won’t impact us much at all at the 5 position.
Oh but unfortunately it will . RHJ was a key component for stability and guidance when things were not going well. We still are not at the we’ll just reload phase. I won’t belabor the point. If Caleb returns that dramatically improves this team as would be expected. A Yeboah type would elevate us to top 4-5 again IMHO.
 

PSAL_Hoops

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Oh but unfortunately it will . RHJ was a key component for stability and guidance when things were not going well. We still are not at the we’ll just reload phase. I won’t belabor the point. If Caleb returns that dramatically improves this team as would be expected. A Yeboah type would elevate us to top 4-5 again IMHO.
I think in terms of physical toughness, either combo of Caleb/Hyatt or Caleb/Mag would be okay with Cliff down low. The issue is scoring in the paint.
 

RUBOB72

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I think in terms of physical toughness, either combo of Caleb/Hyatt or Caleb/Mag would be okay with Cliff down low. The issue is scoring in the paint.
If Dean Reiber works hard and hits the weight room he can fill the back up 5 and the 4 ( PF) Caleb will be a ( SF) snd off guard. I like Mawot and Hyatt to give us length and depth. People say Reiber will be too slow to defend on the outside ? I’ll hold judgement on that part of his game and see if he can improve that part of his D. In fact I’ll look to see all of them improve on the off D . Being together again will give this team a chance especially if Caleb returns.