Yahoo's Kendall Rogers previews SEC baseball

RobbieRandolph

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Of course, we're picked 6th in the West. 17 Polk.

"Mississippi State coach John Cohen – It’s an important season for Cohen. Cohen earned a reputation while at Kentucky as a fiery coach and a program builder. But things simply haven’t worked out so far at State. The Bulldogs were bad two years ago and finished last season with a 6-24 SEC mark and a 23-33 overall record. There’s no reason why the the Bulldogs should continue to struggle"

Yahoo Sports' SEC Baseball preview
 

DawgatAuburn

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Year three should be ample time for Cohen to get this turned around. And not "fighting for 8th place" turned around. I mean "fighting for the West" turned around. The first two years have been atrocious, and year three is not looking very promising. I doubt another 10th place finish is going to get him fired, but two more should. So there you have it John Cohen - your honeymoon is over (with D@A anyway). Get to work. You might want to start with some people skills.
 

Todd4State

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Is that everyone in the SEC West has questions on the pitching staff.

That writer didn't really say anything that most people on here haven't been saying- it's time for Cohen to win.

As far as Polk's players, there are only two now that have even played for Polk- Cody Freeman, Ryan Collins, and then there are a few that were Polk recruits- Brent Brownlee, Nick Routt, Devin Jones, and Caleb Reed, so it's pretty much Cohen's team now.

One of the biggest things that I would change with Cohen is not recruiting so many JUCO guys. It looks like Cohen may be shifting away from that a little bit as our current class has one JUCO player in it.
 

maroonmania

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I'm still willing to give him this year and next before I make final judgement only because although its his 3rd year he still only has 2 recruiting classes on the team. But 2 classes ought to be enough to see some much needed improvement. I don't think anyone is expecting Super Regionals yet.
 

beachbumdawg

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http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/college/news/2011/2611133.html

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NASHVILLE—It wasn't so long ago that college baseball was forced to significantly overhaul its rules about transfers, scholarships and roster sizes in reaction to its lagging performance in academic measures. Many coaches griped that the changes went too far, but in the face of intense NCAA pressure, college baseball's power brokers had no choice but to enact change.

Now the sport is sitting pretty. Thanks in large part to the aforementioned emergency legislation, baseball's Academic Progress Rate has jumped from 933 in 2003-04 to 960 in '08-09—the largest improvement of any sport. The College World Series, which lost $227,000 as recently as 1998, netted a $4.3 million profit in 2010. The city of Omaha built a sparkling $127 million stadium to house the CWS, and it will open as scheduled in 2011.

And yet the Division I Baseball Committee informed the gathered coaches at this weekend's American Baseball Coaches Association convention that it is considering major changes to the NCAA tournament structure. This time, however, the sport's leaders are operating from a position of strength, rather than being forced to react to external pressures. The committee is doing its due diligence, but the postseason will not be radically altered unless there is sweeping support from coaches. And even if a change is made, it won't come into effect until at least 2013.

"The good thing is we're working from a very positive, very popular, everything's-going-in-the-right-direction base," said Dennis Poppe, the NCAA's vice president for baseball and football. "I think the committee should be commended for looking at, what can we do better? Most people are happy to maintain. If nothing else it gives us a lot of healthy discussion."

Not that everyone is in favor of maintaining the status quo. There is plenty of support for a revamped postseason format, most notably from Minnesota coach John Anderson, the lone coach who sits on the D-I Baseball Committee.
In a presentation for coaches at Thursday's Division I business meeting, committee chairman Tim Weiser laid out two possible models for a new tournament structure. One proposal features best-of-three series between two teams at 32 sites in the first round, with the winners advancing to eight regionals composed of four teams apiece (like the current regionals). Those winners would then advance to Omaha. Weiser and Anderson both said they were not enamored with that proposal.

Anderson and other cold-weather coaches favor the second option, which would split the NCAA tournament into three rounds of best-of-three series leading up to the CWS. That format would give 32 teams chances to host during the first round (as opposed to the 16 teams that currently host regionals), so cold-weather teams that do not usually host would have a much better chance to do so.

"First and foremost, I think we play in a format similar to that the whole season, where all the conference series and most of the nonconference series are best-of-three," Anderson said. "When you look at the amount of aid we have—11.7 scholarships—I think it's unrealistic to go into an NCAA tournament and think you can have quality baseball coming out of the loser's bracket. Anytime we play on a national stage in front of TV audiences, I think we should try to put the best performance we can out there, and when we play ugly games because the pitching deteriorates in a regional, I don't think it does our game any good.

"I think you'll get 16 more teams a chance to host, I think the championship will be more profitable. I think you'll see some upsets—when you put your best pitching out there against another team's best pitching, anything can happen. You'll have one more week to promote the College World Series in Omaha, one more week of national media attention."

Weiser and Poppe both said if they were forced to choose right now, they would be inclined to stick with the current format. But both also said they were intrigued by the notion of playing three weekends of best-of-three series. The biggest challenge would be finding an extra week to add to the postseason. ESPN has made it clear it does not want to move the CWS further back into the summer, and the uniform start date in February has already been moved back a week so teams would have one less week to deal with the cold weather. Anderson said he thinks implementing an extra week in the NCAA tournament would be worth sacrificing conference tournaments or shortening the regular season from 56 to 52 or 50 games, but that's a controversial stance.

"The biggest hurdle with that one to me is not the finances, it's the additional week, and how do we deal with that?" Weiser said. "There are a number of conferences that have a lot of reasons to keep their conference tournaments, whether it's financial, TV. I think it's going to be hard politically to go back and say, 'Well, we wanted to move the season back, now we want to move it forward.'

"So if I were to handicap it, there would be more reason to continue to do what we're doing than to make that kind of a radical change, unless there was some movement on moving the season up a week. But I don't think there's anything wrong with us having a healthy discussion: Is what we're doing now the best that it can be, and if not then what is a better way to go about it?"

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Todd4State

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In the long term, I think it would be a wash. O'Connor won immediately at Virginia, but he also took over a team that was in much better shape than we were.

But, I said yes in the short term because Cohen puts a lot of pressure on players to perform and I think our players didn't handle pressure all that well to start with. That's as much a criticism on Cohen as it is the players being wusses. There were problems on the team as far as attitude, but it went both ways. A different coach might have been able to handle that differently and maybe gotten a few more wins.

There is also no doubt that we lacked talent, though. If you don't believe me, look at the MLB draft. Some of the guys that some posters on here talked about being "great hitters" didn't even get a look in 50 rounds. The three that did get drafted- Conner Powers hit .198 for the year, Jet Butler hit about .220 with 9 errors- including a .780 fielding percentage at third base, a position that he got half of his starts at, and Tyler Whitney retired.

And then Ricky Bowen has a career ERA of over 5. I will say that Jared Wesson had a good year, but he is old for the league that he is in. But, if he keeps having good years he may very well make it. I hope he gets a shot a AA this year for his sake because I do want our guys to do well and make the Big Leagues.

I will say this in conclusion though- if we have a healthy Nick Routt, we have a winning season, and we aren't even discussing this. I mean, when you're having to start guys like Caleb Reed on Friday night it's scary- nothing against him, because I actually like him as a player, but the fact of the matter is, he is a middle relief pitcher, not a starting pitcher. But again, that goes back to lacking depth and talent because the only people we could replace Routt with were true freshman and losing Routt made us that much younger. You lose a starting pitcher, it makes your bullpen a little thinner because now you have to pull one of your better relief pitchers and make him a starter. The good news is we are building our team with players that are legit draft prospects, and so now we're at the point where we have to get them SEC experience, and once they get that, we should be a good team. If we're not, then you obviously have to look at the coaching staff and hopefully changes would have been made because it's obviously not a talent issue at that point.
 

Todd4State

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these big conferences like the SEC and ACC especially- wanting to do away with their baseball tournaments. I also think that the cities that host those tournaments would have something to say about that as well.
 

patdog

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Polk left this program in shambles, but there's no excuse if Cohen has another losing season this year. He's got 2 of his recruiting classes on this team in a sport where most good players only play 3 years anyway. Like maroonmania said, he doesn't have to win big this year (that can wait till 2012), but if he doesn't show at least some improvement, it's time for us to move on.
 

msudogsrule01

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About Cohen. I can't put my finger on it, but each time I have met him and spoke to him, which was quite often for a while up here in Lexington, I just wanted to punch him. I like his quotes when I read them, but if I hear him speak, I just turn off. I want the best for MSU, and I hope he proves me wrong, but I am not sure he is the answer. With the changes to the bats this year, pitching and defense will be essential, and station to station hitting will be at a premium, so it might be a welcome change for his style.
 

Todd4State

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MadDawg said:
we wouldn't be any worse if Polk was still here. Or if he'd succeeded in getting Raffo the job.


that we wouldn't have recruited as well as we have, though. At least we're getting closer to getting out of this tunnel from a recruiting standpoint.

It would have been interesting to see if Polk would have let Raffo actually run the team without interference from him, but I'm thinking the answer is no.

I am glad that Raffo is doing well at Arkansas State though.
 

Mr Meoff

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RIGHT NOW. This season, in my mind, will tell a lot. Do we see progress or not?

If Polk was here, we may have had the exact same record last year, but we'd have more of the same type players coming in this year. And I truly believe - again, right now - that Cohen is bringing in players with completely different ability and attitude than we would have with Polk. Or probably Raffo for that matter.
 

MadDawg.sixpack

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I'll defer to you guys knowledge of our recruiting under Cohen.

I just want a little excitement about the baseball program. As much as we have sucked in basketball this season, we are finally playing pretty decent and have a chance to put things together down the stretch. It's a long shot, but at least it's a shot. I don't have that feeling at all with baseball anymore.
 

maroonmania

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about Polk all of those years. But in the earlier years when we were winning it was definitely much easier to put up with. People want to bring up Mullen's ego but nobody I've ever met could match Ron Polk's.
 

alabamadog

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but Cohen obviously has to break .500 this year since the schedule is so easy and almost all of the Polk recruits are gone. If we are struggling to get into the sec tournament in 2012, or he can't have a winning season this year, I'm not going to blame Polk for that.
 

DowntownDawg

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...it's not near to the level of Croom-McCorvey (5 years), but it reminds me of that. The offenses under McCorvey and the pitching staff under Butch are on the same level of awful.
 

MeridianDog

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Never wanted Raffo to run the Dogs. I predict Cohen will not make it though.

He has pissed off too many people and won't be able to win enough games to calm down the shouts for his job.

Afraid the Sig photo below is this year for us.

edited - I have no idea who Rom Polk is. Dumb fingers
 

Shmuley

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I was literally straining to keep from pissing myself over the hire. I was ready to have his babies. In my defense, I was still basking in post-orgasmic bliss over the public humiliation of the hairlipped accountant when Vance announced ninja would make the hire, so I get a partial pass for this. Everything was unicorns and berlin walls falling around that time you will recall.

Then the freakishly stupid public pissing contests with cholk players started and the ham handed handling of controversy with cholk, then the unbelievable incompetency handling the rotation and base running and on and on and on. And then the way he QUIT on the team.

Now, I've completely lost patience. It's time for this guy to earn his salary. Hoover or the highway, Mr. Cohen.