Yancy responds about Steve Robertson's Montez Phillips interview...

[8dog]

Business Week and US News are not in the consensus b/c Ole Miss is not in Bus Week's top 30 and State and Ole MIss are both 3rd tier in US News.

they are both solid accounting programs but nothing to write home about. The guy that started ole miss' MBA spent the last part of his career at State I believe. State's program did take a hit when Dr. Daughtry passed.

 

[SoxFan343]

Then how does that make State a better school than Ole Miss?

Show me evidence that State has a better accounting school, that Southern has a better arts program, and thar State has more students that go to UMC than Ole Miss. Show me one publication that has State ranked any higher than Ole Miss as an overall academic institution?

 

[DowntownDawg]

...Here we have a classic case of arrogant ignorance. State has a phd program, or did when I was there 3 years ago. Either that or the accounting doctoral students I met were very lost. My opinion: Om has a slightly better MPA program, and State has a far better Tax program. And I think you could look at the big 4's hiring practices to validate.

 

[bulldogbaja]

and thar State has more students that go to UMC than Ole Miss.

this one isn't even worth looking up because anybody familiar with the process knows that nearly ALL of UMC's med students are bioengineers or biological sciences from State. Maybe 8dog wants to look these up, or you are welcome to. Maybe the accounting schools are equal, fact is there's not a real good way to measure this. My personal experience has been that employers prefer state accountants. Either way, I didn't even get into Ag, which is just as big as engineering, or any of its spinoffs like soil sciences and turf grass, or Vet, which is the biggest vet school under one roof in America, or meteorology or PGM or any of the other smaller programs which are either pretty unique to us or ranked among the best nationally.

 

[Xenomorph]

...Swindoll and Robertson understand where the line of utter ridiculousness lies when it comes to doling out recruiting info to their sheep.

Yancy has never seemed to care where the line is.

 

[msudawgs64]

Ole Miss is a consensus Top 30 school. State is not. Ole Miss has a PHD program, State does not.

Go research it if you don't believe me.

a PHD program in what? State grants Doctors of Philosophy degrees in quite a few fields.

here's the research.

http://www.msstate.edu/dept/grad/doctoraldegrees.htm</p>

 

[LeedyDog]

This thread was supposed to be about our respective school's Scout site administrators, something MSU/UM fans on Sixpack can agree on most of the time. Thanks for throwing in the academic BS and totally ruining the discussion.

 

[Henry Kissinger]

anybody familiar with the process knows that nearly ALL of UMC's med students are bioengineers or biological sciences from State

See, I'm a State fan, a former Bio engineering major, and current UMC applicant. That's just not true at all.

 

[Porkchop.sixpack]

If you want to be an accountant, go to Ole Miss

I coudl argue that particular subpoint in the greater point you were making.

But, I definitely would not argue this one, if the only choices are MSU and OM:

if you want to be a lawyer, go to Ole Miss.

However, it does weight the douchebagedness heavily toward Ole Miss.

 

[Xenomorph]

Dude... Neither OM or MSU are ranked in the Top 30 nationally in any common field be it engineering, accounting, lawyering or brick laying. Maybe if you siphon off private schools, schools with endowments that exceed "X" number of dollars and all schools north of the Mason-Dixon and west of the Mississippi River. Or maybe if you take a incredibly specific field like physical acoustics or running a solar car the fastest one of us might, MIGHT crack the Top 30... But, all things being equal.. we ain't getting a sniff.

 

[graddawg]

I know these type of listings are very subjective, but Kiplinger's ranks Mississippi State as one of the 100 best values in public undergraduate education and they don't list Ole Miss. When you use a little logic and consider that tuition, fees and cost of living are basically the same at State and OM you have to conclude that they think MSU provides a better overall education.

As for the Accounting program, I believe State grads have done better than OM grads on the CPA exam every year for a while now. We might not be ranked higher, but we're either smarter, learning more or doing a better job teaching the subject matter.

Finally, I really wish someone would give me a breakdown of the % of OM's med and law incoming classes that are State grads as I've never seen the actual number but people constantly talk about it.

 

[WillemWallace]

and thar State has more students that go to UMC than Ole Miss.

this one isn't even worth looking up because anybody familiar with the process knows that nearly ALL of UMC's med students are bioengineers or biological sciences from State. Maybe 8dog wants to look these up, or you are welcome to. Maybe the accounting schools are equal, fact is there's not a real good way to measure this. My personal experience has been that employers prefer state accountants. Either way, I didn't even get into Ag, which is just as big as engineering, or any of its spinoffs like soil sciences and turf grass, or Vet, which is the biggest vet school under one roof in America, or meteorology or PGM or any of the other smaller programs which are either pretty unique to us or ranked among the best nationally.

</p>Either you're lying, or you don't know jack-****. At least about the UMC part.

The University of MISSISSIPPI Medical Center accepts the best applicants from Ole Mis FIRST... Then they go outside of that. Ask an admissions person in any program at the university. They may not state it straight up (I was told straight this straight-forward during interviews and during school), but priority is given to Ole Miss students first.

From my personal experience (I just graduated), I would say its probably 65-70% Ole Miss graduates.\

Its kinda like UAB medical graduate programs (such as anesthesia) accepts UAB students first...and if there's any spots left they go outside of the university.

 

[lawdawg02]

if you want to be a lawyer, go to Ole Miss

does um have an undergrad "pre-law" degree? i don't think so. so actually, um undergrad has no more focus on law than does msu. you can major in english, political sciences, or business or whatever just like you would at um, if you want to go to law school.

bulldogbaja, i think you're wrong in saying that "nearly all" of the UMC students are state grads. it's just not that tilted either way. most majors are split, at least close to equal (some, like nursing, PT, and OT have more state grads, or have had in the past).

 

[Todd4State]

Ok, I went to MSU and have a degree in special education and I also went to UMC and have a degree in occupational therapy. Yes, UMC is similar to UAB, in fact I've always said, if you combined Belhaven with UMC, you would have UAB.

My OT school class had more State grads (8) or to be more accurate, people that went to State since a lot of people do pre-OT for two years somewhere else, than any other school. But not by much- Ole Miss people were second (6), and then we had a couple of MC girls, a couple of people from USM, and then a girl from DSU and a couple from the W. There were a couple of JUCO people in there to. All of the State people except one- and she had a learning disabilty- passed.

I also work at UMC, and we have a lot of State fans that work there. Personally, I've always looked at it kind of like UAB, but there is definately some Ole Miss infuence, but not a whole lot. The most noticable is the book store which has some Ole Miss crap in it. UMC is trying to do more with Ole Miss- for example you can get a master's from Ole Miss for a very low price, or maybe even free if you work at UMC, and I think they are trying to start a nursing school in Oxford that has some connections to UMC. But that's basically it. Also, if you work at UMC, your child can go to Ole Miss at a discounted price.

And I'll say this- I think very highly of UMC and the education that I got there, and I love UMC almost as much as I love State. If UMC had sports teams, I would definately support them. UMC is a great asset for this state, and it's really getting to be better and better all the time as far as health care. Also, I am proud of the education that I got at MSU. State prepared me very well for UMC, and if someone wanted to go into a medical profession, I would recommend that they go to MSU first and then UMC. State has a very strong biology dept, and really has a strong program in all sciences. The teachers at UMC also think very highly of MSU students as well- not that they don't think highly of Ole Miss students- but MSU definately should be proud of what they're sending out to professional programs.

Now as far as elementary ed., I believe that was also the most popular major at MSU, at least when I was there. I used to take elementary ed classes when I needed an easy A. Yes, I took children's lit and wrote about 120 book reports on Dr. Seuss books. Of course I procrastinated and it took me about 10 minutes to shove those damn books back into the drop box at the library at State.

Oh, and UMC's "new colors" are silver and blue.

 

[RebelRichman.nafoom]

Academically, they're really not that similar. There are very, very few majors for which Ole Miss is the best public uni in the state to attend. And as Dr. Watson mentioned last night, MSU has the highest intering test scores, highest retention rate, and highest grad rate in the state, and that has been that way as long as I've been in school here (which is way too long.)

Thank you for this good sir.
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[RebelRichman.nafoom]

but it's wrong. There's no other way to say it, you are just completely wrong and obviously uninformed on this.

The two schools are very equal with different areas of emphasis at each. Any other opinion of this topic makes you look like a complete idiot.

 

[DovaDawg]

<span style="font-weight: bold;">If you want to be an accountant, go to Ole Miss.

</span>I am an accountant in Memphis and the majority of our office is UM grads. With UM having the national AICPA library and the supposed "better" accounting program, I was quite surprised with the fact that MSU's CPA pass rate has been much higher than UM's the past five years. The MSU accounting program has actually had one of the higher CPA pass rates in the south the last few years.<span style="font-weight: bold;">
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[Henry Kissinger]

Well, that's not true either.

 

[bulldogbaja]

I tried to find data for this, but got nowhere on UMC's site... Nearly all may be an exaggeration, but I'm sure you're aware that State does have a higher acceptance rate to UMC than does ole miss. And I do know that 2 years ago an extremely large percentage of the entering class was from MSU. Maybe things have changed since then. Good luck to you.

 

[jamdawg96]

(it works every time).. but seriously, in most cases, a degree from either school means jack **** compared to the actual ability you have and the effort you put into your work. What I've learned at State more than anything is: have young person related fun as often as possible while you're still young, attend enough class to maintain a B average, and get as much work-related experience as you can, because that's more valuable than anything you learn in a classroom.

In Starkville or Oxford.

And while we're not talking about sports, do yourselves a favor and go see The Dark Knight. It's the best film I've seen in a long, long time. Heath Ledger's Joker is Oscar-worthy.

 

[jakldawg]

Go research it if you don't believe me

I guess this means that research isn't your strong suit compared to us, either.
But some people knew that already.

 

[2thdoc44]

Why did our class have more State graduates than Ole Miss? Almost twice as many.

 

[HighPointDawg]

what can you dispute about that? just wondering...

and there is Absolutely NO difference in Ole Miss Accounting vs MSU Accounting.... both are average but continue to pat yourself on the back for made up stats and rankings like you do in your athletic program.

 

[o_kwfergy]

I do some college recruiting for a large public company in Memphis, and we hire more grads from State than Ole Miss every year. The main reason is because almost all of the Ole Miss grads have Big 4 offers, while not all of the State students do. Now, I'm not saying that's good, bad or indifferent. That's just how I see it. Also, as regards CPA pass rates, that really means nothing. Some of the best accountants I have known took several tries to pass the exam, while some of the biggest idiots I know passed it on the first try. I worked with a girl from State at Andersen in the late 90's that gold medaled MS, and ended up teaching biology at Murray a year after she started in public accounting. Full disclosure - I received undergrad and graduate accounting degrees from Ole Miss. I can't believe this thread partially morphed into running accounting school smack. But as accountants, we don't get to do that too much.

 

[dawgstudent]

State offers a doctorate in Business Administration with an emphasis in whatever you choose (i.e. accounting). It appears that Ole Miss actually has Ph.D. in Accounting instead of a Ph.D. in Business Administration with an emphasis in Accounting.

 

[TheInsiderGA]

I am unsure if you are talking about medical school admissions or post-graduate training, but for medical school admissions:

UMC gives priority to Mississippi residents first, then consider out of state applicants. They rarely accept out of state applicants. I cannot think of one during my time there.

To say that UMC accepts the best applicants from Ole Miss first is one of the most ridiculous things I have read on this site and that is saying alot.</p>

That does not speak well for pre-med at Ole Miss because my class was 4-5 x's more MSU grads.

My wife is an Ole Miss and UMC grad and she agrees that MSU is much more represented at UMC. However, she does think more Ole Miss grads attend medical school out of state.</p>

65-70% Ole Miss graduates.....get real. Try about 10-20%.

TI</p>

 

[RebelBruiser]

Can someone explain to me why Ole Miss and MSU people feel the need to constantly have "skinniest kid at fat camp" type arguments?

Yes, both schools have certain programs that are pretty good programs, and both schools offer solid education, even in their weaker programs. However, neither program has any programs that are nationally recognized, and neither university as a whole is recognized nationally.

I just don't understand the need for this type of argument. If you want to check out Nafoom, uscreb sums it up pretty well. He actually works at USC (a much better school than both MSU and Ole Miss), and he's had experiences with a lot of other schools, so he's able to give an outsiders perspective on how the two schools are seen nationally. To summarize, it's not worth arguing.

 

[WillemWallace]

Its in part of the requirements to be an in-state resident.

I have several friends in med school, and thats what they told me. One is a M3, one is a M4, and the other is a M2. Sure, there are alot of MSU applicants, but to state that there are 4 to 5 times more is absurd.

My girlfriend is in PT school and 3/4 of the class is Ole Miss graduates.

The nursing school is at least 3/4 Ole Miss.

I don't know about OT or Dental.

 

[2thdoc44]

non-residents at all in recent years but it is possible. Would take a unique circumstance or a lot of pull from someone important.

<font face="Arial"><font face="Arial">Medical school tuition for residents of Mississippi will be $11,649 per year for 2008-2009, $13,649 per year for 2009-2010 and $15,649 per year for 2010-2011. This payment includes required registration, laboratory and library usage fees. Tuition for non-residents will be $27,142 per year for 2008-2009, $31,802 per year for 2009-2010, and $36,462 per year for 2010-2011</font></font>

 

[HammerOfTheDogs]

the insane reactions from rebel fans and boosters when they lose a player that they are "entitled" to. I know this sounds homeristic, but you have to admit it is worse from the rebels. State fans whine and cry and wonder what they have done to deserve what has happened. Rebel fans get absolutely pissed off and confrontational when they lose a player they thought they had. Then they intimidate or take recruits to alumni functions or some ****.

They'll try to get someone fired from their job.</p>

 

[HammerOfTheDogs]

"I just can't BELIEVE Archie let him sign with them. After they way they treated Archie back in 1969, I can't believe he let him sign with them." I just thought God help both you and your kids if they ever decide they don't want to go to UM.

Archie was the only reason the Rebels went into their integration-induced decline 4 years later than they should've, yet both Archie and Olivia were treated like **** because Peyton didn't want to spend more time on his back, side, front, upside-down than a porn star.

My guess was that it was Olivia that badgered Archie to get Eli to go to UM, because she was the one with the Rebel pedigree, and couldn't stand the nasty comments in the Grove.

Que in all the Rebel apologists who said "We's doodn't sez anythang bad 'bout Archie whens Peyton wint to Tnnn'see."</p>

 

[RebelBruiser]

"I just can't BELIEVE Archie let him sign with them. After they way they treated Archie back in 1969, I can't believe he let him sign with
them." I just thought God help both you and your kids if they ever decide they don't want to go to UM.

Archie was the only reason the Rebels went into their integration-induced decline 4 years later than they should've, yet both Archie and Olivia were
treated like **** because Peyton didn't want to spend more time on his back, side, front, upside-down than a porn star.

My guess was that it was Olivia that badgered Archie to get Eli to go to UM, because she was the one with the Rebel pedigree, and couldn't stand the nasty
comments in the Grove.

Que in all the Rebel apologists who said "We's doodn't sez anythang bad 'bout Archie whens Peyton wint to Tnnn'see."</p>

</p>

Actually, my guess is that Olivia had very little to do with Eli coming to Ole Miss. I think that Cutcliffe being our coach probably had more to do with it than anything. That was probably the clincher in the deal.

As far as Peyton is concerned, it is a shame the way some people acted about that. However, I think that most fans look back and realize that it was a smart decision. Peyton was signing I believe in 1994. We were in the process of an NCAA investigation and actually fired Brewer before the 1994 season, leaving Joe Lee Dunn to be our interim coach.

Had Peyton come to Ole Miss, he'd have spent 1 year under Dunn, 2 years under NCAA sanctions, and a senior year where he would've been able to go to a bowl game, the whole time playing with a team limited severely in numbers. Obviously, he made the right choice in going elsewhere.

 

[HammerOfTheDogs]

...like sailors on shore leave to Tijuana.