Yankee Stadium's right field is a joke

boomboommsu

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They've been granted it by MLB, who prevents any other team from moving in on the lucrative NY market.

They are granted the best market, they have the highest payroll (by far), and they have success. The latter two flow from the first, not the other way around.

MLB should, if they had a true commissioner and not an owner as commissioner, tell the Yankees to lower their prices, or else a 3rd team will be put in NY. They should be reminded that they are granted the exclusivity of that market by the league, and owe it to baseball to not abuse it.
 

Damn-Dog

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..... From dugout to dugout absolutely impossible to get seats unless they are corporate seats. It just takes away from the atmosphere. Last I heard they weren't selling out those corporate seats. Thee corporations don't want to be laying people off, and then that night be seen on tv sitting in a 1250 dollar seat at a baseball game. Hell, these seats started off at 2500. Why did they cut it in half if it is okay to charge whatever to see a baseball game?
 

KurtRambis4

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From reading this thread, I've come to the realization that the world is doomed. How do some of you people remember to breathe every day?
 

TheBigBadDawg

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They were granted 27 championships by MLB? No, they won 27 championships on their own.

They're granted the best market? No, they've been in that market for just about a century. There's already another team in the NY market, and the fact that you think the MLB should force them to lower ticket prices under the threat of moving a third team to NY is absurd. How many sports franchises have to share their cities with two other teams? The Yankees already have the Mets, the Giants/Jets, Knicks/Nets, Lakers/Clippers, Cubs/Soxare all two teams per city but I can't think of any city that has to support 3 professional franchises in the same sport (maybe I'm missing something).

The fact is that some people hate the Yankees for the same reason I hate the Cowboys or Alabama - they've got a huge fan base that will support them (both financially and otherwise), they've got owners/administration that are willing to spend whatever money is necessary to win, and (at least through the 90's for the Cowboys) they've done just that - won.</p>
 

boomboommsu

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"They were granted 27 championships by MLB? No, they won 27 championships on their own.
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No, they won them with a payroll supported by monopoly rights granted by MLB to the best market.

"They're granted the best market? No, they've been in that market for just about a century. There's already another team in the NY market, and the fact that you think the MLB should force them to lower ticket prices under the threat of moving a third team to NY is absurd. How many sports franchises have to share their cities with two other teams? The Yankees already have the Mets, the Giants/Jets, Knicks/Nets, Lakers/Clippers, Cubs/Soxare all two teams per city but I can't think of any city that has to support 3 professional franchises in the same sport (maybe I'm missing something)."

The NY market can support way more than two teams. There's been studies done, look them up if you don't believe me. Regardless, several small market teams would love to move to NY and be the third team, THEY believe that share of NY would be a larger market for them than their current location, and MLB prevents them from doing it. Right or wrong, that is MLB preserving the Yankees market share.

"The fact is that some people hate the Yankees for the same reason I hate the Cowboys or Alabama - they've got a huge fan base that will support them (both financially and otherwise), they've got owners/administration that are willing to spend whatever money is necessary to win, and (at least through the 90's for the Cowboys) they've done just that - won."

I don't hate the Yankees. They are where they are partly by great management and business decisions, not market alone. I just hate when people don't give due credit to their monopoly rights. They won championships decades ago, great for them. But the team of my lifetime has thrived from an absurd payroll. It was a great business decision, and has made a ton of profit, but no other team could have tried that strategy, because no other team has been granted that market.
 

missouridawg

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I DO NOT THINK, FOR ONE SECOND, THE CORPORATIONS DO NOT BUY TICKETS TO BASEBALL GAMES. THEY BUY THEM IN LARGE QUANTITIES AT EVERY MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL GAME. EVERYONE 17'ING ONE OF THEM.

EVEN IN ST. LOUIS, HOME OF MY FAVORITE TEAM, CORPORATIONS BUY TICKETS. MY FATHER HAS TAKEN ME TO BASEBALL GAMES FOR FREE EVERY YEAR SINCE I WAS BORN.

The argument that Rambis made said that real Yankee fans understand and pay for tickets at those prices. And he's wrong, because real Yankee fans aren't buying those tickets. Corporations are. And they're using them to help them get a return on their business. Essentially, the tickets are an investment. Those $2150 tickets are not being purchased by Joe Schmoe Yankee Fan who wants to treat his kids to a Yankee game. Those tickets are being used for corporate relationship building. I'm done with this argument. I have no clue why this concept is so hard to grasp.

This argument is not, in any way, shape, or form, about corporations and whether or not it's good that they purchase tickets. If the Cardinals could get $2150 per ticket, I would encourage them to do so. I'm a free market capitalist. If people are willing to pay for 'em, the charge the **** out of 'em.
 

boomboommsu

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I'm saying if you take away the Yankee payroll advantage, a lot of 'fans' would fade away. Bandwagoners, in other words.

Take the Yankees payroll ($200M), add the Mets ($100M at least before this fluke year), then divide by 3. That's $100M. Not realistic i know, but i hope you can see the point, that adding NY teams would lower Yankee revenue, which would lower payroll.

Besides, who said stop at 3? If NY can support 3 teams with $100M+ payrolls, then why should KC or TB be stuck with their ****** market? IIRC studies say NY could support 4 or 5 teams.

I give the Yankees credit, they spent $200M a year to start winning, probably nearly all of their revenue, increasing their fanbase and driving increased revenue that can support that level of spending with plenty of profit. But i recognize that almost no other team had that option, as their annual revenue is under $50M. The Yankees could also build on their history, but they bought most of that too. Forget that they bought Ruth from Boston?

I do agree that at present it would probably take a 4th team to slow down Yankee spending, as their revenue is probably much higher than $200M right now. But a few down years can change that quickly.....</p>
 

Damn-Dog

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....that money? Really? The Yankees would have to cut their payroll in half, while the Mets wouldn't spend any less and a new team would automatically start spending the Yankees 100 million, and taking their fans? Are you serious?
 

KurtRambis4

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missouridawg said:
because real Yankee fans aren't buying those tickets. Corporations are. And they're using them to help them get a return on their business. .

please reference where you got all of this knowledge from. I can't seem to find it on the internet.
 

boomboommsu

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I very clearly stated that was an unrealistic representation, made only to try to get the point across. Additional NY teams takes away from Yankee revenue. What part of this is too difficult for you to grasp?
 

missouridawg

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Would post several more, butabout to leave work before Houston traffic rapes me.



Between corporate sponsorships, naming-rights deals and luxury suites, two-thirds or more of teams' revenue comes from corporations rather than ordinary fans, estimates David Carter, executive director of the University of Southern California's Sports Business Institute. Over the years, luxury boxes, once just a few glass-enclosed rooms high above the regular seats, have become as integral to a new stadium as concession stands -- more so, because companies pay for them up front, guaranteeing profits regardless of the team's success on the field. As team owners crammed in ever-more premium seats, corporations, eager for new ways to entertain clients, happily bid up the prices.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123630159510147111.html

Another one about Joe Schmoe Yankee fan who can't afford his season tickets anymore.
http://riveraveblues.com/2008/03/a-new-stadium-but-at-what-cost-2356/

Here's an article OTL did in regards to suites being empty because of high prices
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/eticket/story?page=091005yankeestickets
A quick blurb from it:
This brings me to another question: What took ticket prices so long to skyrocket?</p>

From the beginning, the Yankees and Wall Street were linked. The bull market that ultimately led to mad speculation and the Great Depression started in October 1923, within days of the team winning its first World Series -- in its first season at Yankee Stadium. Old-money New Yorkers followed the Giants. The dreamers took the subway from Wall Street to the Bronx, the games timed to the close of the market.</p>

Lavish spending was always part of the new-money ethos of the Street. Great seats, especially at Yankees games, impressed potential clients. The secondary market for big games grew outrageous, and, as the team won titles throughout the 1990s, smart fans found they could pay for an entire season by auctioning off a choice game or two to bankers hungry to make a deal. Good Yankees-Red Sox tickets could go for as much as $2,500. Maybe, in hindsight, it seems a little greedy to expect a season of baseball for free. But smart fans were just following the law of supply and demand.</p>

What could be more American?</p>

The Yankees made nothing extra off this ticket scalping. Very uncool. So, in 1998, the team created a new front row, called the seats the Legends Boxes, and started charging $197.50 per game. Each year, fans and corporations happily paid the increase, so the prices kept rising.</p>

The Street couldn't afford to say no.</p>

Why not?</p>

If you're a middle-class sports fan, the answer will make you sick.</p>

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Please note that I'm not judging the Yankees badly for building this stadium or raising prices. They can do what they want to do. I don't give a **** either way. But what they've done, is priced out you and me. We can't afford to drop $250 every time we go to the stadium. You know that. I go to about 15 Astros game every year... and I never pay more than $20 a trip. If I had to drop even $50 or $100 a trip, I probably wouldn't go unless the Cardinals were playing.
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KurtRambis4

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but can you point out to where the article states Yankee fans aren't utilizing these seats. I think I missed it.
 

Damn-Dog

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That is why there are a lot of empty seats everynight behind home plate. Half of them are back in the lounge hanging out instead of watching the game
 

KurtRambis4

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game. While there are some empty seats during the midweek games behind the plate, this just isn't true, that most of them are empty. Especially for "every night."