You just can't make this ish up.
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Aimmee, it is not my intention to fight with you. You are quite right, mental illness is not a sin, but succumbing to certain behaviors certainly is. How ignorant a person who is caught up in it is a matter for God, not me. However, you who defends the matter are not mentally ill. Defending sin surely is a sin. BTW, I sent you just one verse. The Bible must be taken in context, and in simple terms extrapolated. You must note all of the verses that discuss the matter.
For example; God created them male and female can be extrapolated that God did not create them any other way.
Here is just another one of many verses that if you are sincere about God's Word, you should acknowledge;
Deut 22:5 The woman shall not wear that which pertains unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.
Aimmee, I truly wish to see you on the right track and not ignorant to what God has said. Yes, I am Jewish and want you to know the Hebrew word translated "abomination" is "toeba". It means that which is "abhorred". When it is applied to God's Law, in modern terms it could be referred to as a "felony".
Again, thanks for your concern.
1) Transgenderism isn't merely about what one wears. Someone who is transgender transitions to another gender. So, in their eyes, they would be a man wearing man's garment, etc,
2) Everything needs to be taken in context. The prohibition isn't about genders wearing clothes of the opposite sex, per se. It is about prohibition of participating in another religion:
3) We can point to lots of proclamations in the Bible that we don't take literally or seriously today:
The rapist has to marry his victim and pay off her dad:
Deuteronomy 22:28-29 "If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay her father fifty shekels[a] of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives."
No mixing of fabrics:
Leviticus 19:19 “Neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee.”
No tattoos:
Leviticus 19:28 “Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the Lord.”
No hybrid crops -- or maybe that is a euphemism for mixed-race baby-making?
Leviticus 19:19 “Thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed.”
No braided hair or jewelry for women:
Timothy 2:9 "Likewise, I want women to adorn themselves with proper clothing, modestly and discreetly, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly garments."
No property ownership:
Leviticus 25:23 "The land must never be sold on a permanent basis, for the land belongs to me. You are only foreigners and tenant farmers working for me."
My Dad was a seminarian, until he decided he would rather have a family. He would tell us, "When you die, Jesus will give you a final exam:
I was hungry, did you feed me?
I was thirsty, did you give me drink?
I was a stranger, did you welcome me?
I was naked, did you clothe me?
I was imprisoned, did you visit me?
I was sick, did you care for me?"
MAGA religious folks seem to think Christianity revolves around two things -- abortion and homosexuality. Yet, throughout Christ's ministry, He never mentioned either. I would think if He were facing an excruciating death to save the world from sin, He might have brought it up once or twice. Christ spent a lot of time preaching about love , caring for our neighbors and forgiveness. The world would be a better place if we focused on that message, instead of engaging in petty culture wars. Fight on!
What Bible are you using? The word rape is not in this set of verses! The verse says lies (shakab) with her, and the meaning is consensual. Rape would be "hazaq shakab" as found in verse 25. No wonder you are confused.
NIV
Bible Gateway passage: Deuteronomy 22:28-29 - New International Version
If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.
Liar, confabulator or both?
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/confabulation-dementia#summary
Confabulation refers to the unintentional creation of false memories. It is a common early symptom of dementia. However, confabulation can occur due to any brain illness or injury. Confabulation causes people with dementia to say things that are untrue or inaccurate without them being aware.
Currently, there is no cure for confabulation related to dementia. Treatment mainly aims to support the person with the condition in performing their day-to-day activities.
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/confabulation-dementia#summary
Confabulation refers to the unintentional creation of false memories. It is a common early symptom of dementia. However, confabulation can occur due to any brain illness or injury. Confabulation causes people with dementia to say things that are untrue or inaccurate without them being aware.
Currently, there is no cure for confabulation related to dementia. Treatment mainly aims to support the person with the condition in performing their day-to-day activities.
Last bit of what VDH opines is the motive:
"So why are those controlling Biden using him to advance much of such a destructive agenda that would end America as we know it?
1) They are delusional and think their socialist and globalist agendas are working and will save us.
2) They are raging nihilists who do not like the U.S. and deliberately want it destroyed as a service to the world. A ruined U.S. is preferable to a strong America.
3) They are Jacobin revolutionaries who are intentionally erasing the old United States as a prerequisite for creating an entirely new America that will arise from the ashes with no trace or even memory of its past.
4) They have no agenda. They are aimless fools, and utter incompetents. These bunglers just wing it day-to-day, in response to what their radical media, academic, and political masters dictate is necessary for them to retain power. They have no idea of the damage they are doing.
5. A bit of 1-3, but probably not 4."
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Well that explains it. The NIV uses the Westcott / Hort manuscripts, and is rightly nicknamed the "Nearly Inspired Version". I showed you what the original Hebrew says, and what it doesn't say. It doesn't say "rape" in that verse at all.NIV
Bible Gateway passage: Deuteronomy 22:28-29 - New International Version
If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.www.biblegateway.com
If you are serious about understanding what God's Word truly says, then you should be angry about what the NIV has done to the text.
Cool story.. maybe I’ll post one about the crazy tranny shooters who are all pro biden.
No, I've looked at various interpretations of the passage. Prior to the reference about lying with her. It refers to taphas -- seizing:
" If a man shall take hold (taphas) and lie with (shakab) a virgin". Now, if you want to suggest that seizing is just referring to a passionate gesture and not literally rape, that is a reasonable interpretation. But there are enough times in the Bible when "taphas" refers to a violent, non-consensual takeover -- arrest, sacking a city etc.
So it isn't as cut-and-dried as you want to pretend.
Now, https://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/hebrew/nas/taphas.html
But, even if the verse doesn't refer to rape, there are plenty of absurdities in Chapter 22. Fornicators should be executed? A woman who can't prove she was a virgin on her wedding night should be executed? You've chosen to hone in on one interpretation of one absurdity, rather than acknowledge that the Bible is filled with them.
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I am glad that you are studying. I am sad that you seem to be doing so to get around scriptures you don't like. Your argument has never been with me, it is with God Himself.
You are a brave woman.
Are you a rapist? Are you a racist? Are you a conman? Are you a liar? If you are that's your business and it wouldn't really bother me all that much as long as justice tempered your proclivities. What bothers me is that you feel it's just peachy for your Grand Poobah to be all of those things and you still defend him and explain away the consequences of his actions. But I suppose I'm just a victim of faulty reasoning and left-leaning media.
@troypwr
Consider the Easter story as a solid example and rebuttle…
While hanging on the cross, (just to the right and left sides of Christ) were two criminals. Highwaymen, robbers and murderes. It’s NOT the perfect “perfect” people, who’s Christ’s message is directed to.
One accepted Jesus as his saviour. Jesus promissed him a place in heaven.
He is the one person who has been promissed a place in heaven by Jesus. He was not baptist. He had not received the Holy Communion. He was not a member of a church.
The other mocked Jesus. He was promissed nothing.
From this, we can learn a lot:
What it takes to receive eternal salvation.
Who can receive salvation?
That we can make a choise that affect where we will spend eternity, NO matter how “BAD” the individule. You, me, and TRUMP included.
You and your two very typical liberal “dip shíts,” (who commented on your post) are the ONLY ones, MOCKING, what is between, an in perfect human and his God.
Keep mocking us, liberal democRATs, because that’s all you’ve got.
Point of Clairification…
you’re a dope, NOT a “victim,” for NOT using your God given brain, allowing faulty reasoning and the left-leaning media, to mold you into a liberal adult democRAT.
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Whatever you say, God-whisperer. I am content to listen to the actual words of Christ in the New Testament. He offered a New Covenant. But, hey, if you really want to follow the Old Testament rules, who gets to stone Dear Leader for adultery?
@aimeedee
And yet you FAIL to consider one aspect of this…
the “creation” (the mentally ill human) is attempting to rub the Creator / God’s nose into essentially telling the Creator / God, he screwed up, they (the mentally ill human) believe they know better than everyone else, including the Creator / God.
Correction… you and your liberal democRAT supporters, think the world revolves around how and what, you useless idiot fools, expound / believe.
@4thamp1
I agree with your overall premis, however, it’s quite obvious….
If they are NOT incompetentant, they are evil.
Sadly, it’s either one or the other, there isn’t an other option.
Apparently you don't understand that it was God the Son (Jesus) who spoke to Moses some 300+ times that we know of. It was within these words that you identify as "absurd". Then again, it is also apparent that you do not understand the law, nor do you understand that most penal codes are based upon those words that you described as absurd.
What you believe to be "absurd" probably also includes capital punishment. You seem to have chosen to follow your own rules and ascribe them to the New Covenant. Yet, in so doing, you seem to ignore the words of Messiah as handed down through Paul.
"God whisperer", no. Studying His Word for over 60 years, formally trained and teaching for forty years, yes. Understanding that we are in the "end times", and there must be no compromise, no tolerance of sin further destroying our children and crushing our society, again, YES.
God is calling ALL MEN (PEOPLE) to get off the fence.
So you DO believe Trump should be stoned for being an adulterer? Good to know!
You believe what you want. (BTW, people have been saying "we are in the end times" for as long as Christ has left this earth. But maybe you're just more astute than everyone else.)
No, I do not believe in capital punishment, unless there is no way to securely contain the offender. BTW, the Catholic Church opposes capital punishment, as well. Now, are you going to tell Catholics who support the death penalty that they aren't "real" Catholics, but "cafeteria Catholics?"
No, I do not believe that the Old Testament is what God (the Father or Son) commanded verbatim. It cannot possibly be, because there are so many things that are inconsistent and defy logic. The Old Testament is man's version of what they claim God said. And man is flawed. The New Testament has first hand, or at least contemporaneous, accounts of what Christ said and did. You do you. I'm gonna follow Christ.
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I will conclude our conversation with this; your approach to Scripture appears to be from the "apologetics of man's" seeking to be like God. You have attacked said Scriptures with silliness, and demonstrate that you approach the very Scriptures you attack by eisegesis. Eisegesis is identified as a sin in the very part of the Bible that you call absurd and not "verbatim". (Deuteronomy 4:2 and 12:32).
My Jewish father was raised Catholic, and I remember sitting in the living room watching Bishop Sheen on the television with him. I have both the "Baltimore Catechism" (1885) and the "Catechism of the Catholic Church" (Revised Edition 1994) in my library and have extensively studied both.
You mentioned contradictions in Scripture, of which I don't agree with that premise. (See "Bible Difficulties" by Geisler).
Nevertheless, I have found 57 MAJOR contradictions to Scripture in the teaching of the Catholic Church primarily surrounding 1) The Sure Word of God, 2) "Sola Scriptura", 3) "Sola Fede", 4) The Mass, 5) Authority of man, 6) Issues regarding Mary, 7) Icons and statues, 8) The Traditions of Men (Magisterium), 9) and the Assurance of Salvation and Purgatory.
Perhaps your concerns with Scripture contradictions should begin with these.
Truth is not a left wing value.
Indictments are legal bs, lawfare as it’s called, long practiced in 3rd world countries and by totalitarian regimes.
