Lol, just because he’s not showing them up like Bobby Knight doesn’t mean he’s not on them. He was screaming at them after Caleb barely touched the guy for his 4th foul.
Zach Edey Crushing People & Refs Swallow Whistle
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Didn't post last night but just rewatched one of the highlights towards the end when I think Simpson missed a jumper from the right side and Cam had position and Edey just came in and blatantly pushed him 3 feet out of the way that and the none call on when he put two hands on Woolfolk were just huge at the time
NOt to mention just watch how many times on rebounds he blatantly goes over the back of our guys and fouls them
I saw that. You correctly noted the one clear late game time he did it. But too late. Painter was on the refs VERY early in game on his teams 2nd foul and guess the foul totals first half? How did he react to that Edy push?
My point is Pike has to get out in front. So MAYBE Cliff doesn't get those two, and MAYBE Caleb doesn't either.
Sorry. In my opinion those things matter in a game just like yesterday.
I burst out laughing when Bardo said that on the Wolf push. He gets pushed two hands, Edey catches the pass and Edey immediately dunks. Play through what exactly?
He’s been on them a lot more this season than in years past, especially the final half of conference play. Hobbs (coach) has also been talking a lot more with them during timeouts.
I would agree there's been more. yes. I thought the opposite though first half of season the fell off back half. I shouldn't have said he "refuses" too. That was too strong and emotional thought/response.
spot on. so frustrating. Protecting Edy and Purdue hoping to get #1 NCAA seed? IDK. But just call a balanced game and let the chips fall. Win or lose. WAY too much effect on end-game.
I think we maybe debating the STYLE in which he does it. I'm not suggesting he just stands there.
Purdue fans have the same complaint about Painter on our board. I think many fans want the coaches to react as emotionally as they do. Personally, I don't think acting like Fran Mccaffrey is the smart play. You want them to listen to you when you do complain.
Yeah I agree & was about to post the same exact comment.
OH I saw Matt get really pissed early. I also think being the team you are and having Edy you're note getting housed nightly. And please don't think I'm suggesting acting like that maniac lol.
Don't forget the first half it was 11or12 to 3 in fouls at one point and they were in the double bonus from the 10 minute mark and its not just the actual foul shooting disparity but the fact that they took our best players out of the game is the biggest point/problem
Also don't forget even when we beat them earlier in the season there was a 28-11 disparity in the number of foul shots taken in that game so don't tell me the refs don't have an effect
If this game is/was reffed fairly we win!!!
He's shoving OSU around like a WWE match. They don't have anyone with Cliff's size so it's even more of a mismatch. Ohio State is playing them tough in the first half.
Cliff would've fouled out three times if he did all the things Edey has done today.
I will say this. Number one it's not his fault if the refs won't call it. Not his job to self call fouls and until it gets called (perhaps NCAA) why should he?
Number two he's not a Garza like dirty player. He showed good sportsmanship after that shot to cliffs mouth and even the F1 with Paul wasn't more than him trying to protect his team a bit too aggressive.
Number two he's not a Garza like dirty player. He showed good sportsmanship after that shot to cliffs mouth and even the F1 with Paul wasn't more than him trying to protect his team a bit too aggressive.
It's egregious that Cliff gets called for breathing on the guy while Edey gives the defender a 300 pound hip check
But when you think of HoF college coaches.. as many whiners in there as not.. maybe more.
Edey elbows people in the face more than any player I've seen and and get away with it. Dwight Howard also was a master.
I think Mahaffey/Lundy will be on him to the point he could get flustered.
I think Mahaffey/Lundy will be on him to the point he could get flustered.
Garza did it a lot, too
Yeah damn forgot that. I get that they are super long and may inadvertently smack guys but this is next level.
Edey's entire offense is 3 feet and cheap free throws when a mini human touches him at all. He complains a shitload though.
Because many of those happen when his defender is in his cylinder and therefore technically should be fouls on the defense.
Cliff is a huge person and if you actually watch the game he's leaning into him with all his weight and a forearm in his back on nearly every post up the entire game to try to force him away from the basket.
You can debate how much contact should be allowed but the characterization that he's just breathing on him is not even close to accurate. There's a ton of physical play allowed in guarding Edey but some fans generally only want that physical play allowed in one direction.
There's a lot of body contact allowed usually between bigs trying to get leverage under the basket. Leaning and bracing are very rarely called. Until Omoruyi got two quick calls for.... guarding him too close when he caught the ball?
It's the arms that should get more calls, imo. Shoving players and swinging elbows should draw whistles.
Yes and there's not even a close second place. Dickinson is big but soft and TJD is very skilled offensively but he doesn't even really try to stop Edey because he can't risk foul trouble.
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It's a tough job. You can call it close both ways and put both players on the bench for most of the game and people won't be happy about that. You can let everything go and people won't be happy about that. Or you can just try to call the most egregious stuff and both coaches will be in your ear all game long lobbying for the next call. I would never want to be in their spot.
I get caught up in the emotion of the game too while it's going on. I'm thinking everything is going against us and then when I re-watch the game it's almost always more fairly officiated than what I thought watching it live. It's really hard to separate the emotion from it in the heat of the moment.
Or you re-watch it and see Purdue players two-hand shoving Rutgers players in the back, repeatedly, and it gets you even more mad
And/or
That's fair. That easily should've or could've been a foul. Did you also watch for calls that went your way or just calls that went against you?
We got away with a few in the first half
But when it counted, in crunch time in the second half when Purdue pulled away, the refs swallowed the whistle for purdue
It’s okay we’ve seen this before (like the OSU game where their ENTIRE offense in the second half - 1 flippen FG in 19 minutes - was from the charity stripe)
He’s your guy you should defend him. I would do the same. You guys hit what seemed like 4 - 3 pointers in a row but somehow we were hanging around. Then they called two on Cliff and sent him to the bench and two more in that possession and it changed the game. Great game though. Gillis was on fire on top of his tireless work ethic which always helps you guys win games. Good luck today.
I don't think most objective people would agree with that after watching the bear-hug jump ball and flagrant foul flop. Certainly, there were call that went our way down the stretch but I don't think most people would agree that every call went against you.
With that, I'll bow out of this conversation any further. I'm on a Rutgers board and certainly many fans will look at things from that perspective.
The Jenkins 3's were a huge bonus that certainly we would never think we were going to get going into the game. Without those, you guys likely win.
Thanks. Hopefully we can take it home today but Penn State is one of those teams that can shoot themselves into any game so that's always concerning.
Hoping you get a good draw and make some noise next week. Your defense can keep you in most games. If your offense shows up you can beat anyone but I'm not telling you anything you don't already know.
I think the bear hug was a make up call, because it was obviously a foul.
Overall, felt it was a pretty poorly officiated game, sadly in line with many other B1G games. Not a biased game, just a poorly officiated one in both directions.
Not poor because it was "too tight" or "too loose", but because it was so inconsistent. Games should be called in a way where later calls make sense in the context of how the game has been called previously.
Will be interesting to see if the refs in the tourney let Edey get away with what he does in Big10 play