Zero black head coaches hired this coaching cycle in NFL

[18IsTheMan]

Of 10 vacant jobs. Lots of fuss being made about it.

Can't say I really get it. NFL owners see one color: green. The best way to see more green is to win more games. They will hire whoever they think gives them the best shot. Owners aren't out to lose money in the name of white supremacy.

 

[Piscis]

Of 10 vacant jobs. Lots of fuss being made about it.

Can't say I really get it. NFL owners see one color: green. The best way to see more green is to win more games. They will hire whoever they think gives them the best shot. Owners aren't out to lose money in the name of white supremacy.

Sports media is DEI central. Nothing generates clicks like a racial injustice story in sports. The NFL embraced the wokeness and now, they aren't following through with the high profile jobs. According to the media, the only answer is RACISM!!!

 

[Creek Snake]

Mike Tomlin will get a job next year.Everybody touts Brian Flores but I actually know someone who was an assistant with him at Miami and he said he knew from day 1 it wasn’t going to work.
He does speak very highly of Todd Bowles at TB so I always pull for them.

 

[adcoop]

Mike Tomlin will get a job next year.Everybody touts Brian Flores but I actually know someone who was an assistant with him at Miami and he said he knew from day 1 it wasn’t going to work.
He does speak very highly of Todd Bowles at TB so I always pull for them.

I wouldn't say it didn't work with Flores in Miami. Had a 24-25 Record in 3 seasons and had winning records in Years 2 and 3 after going 5-11 in his first year. It appears the issue with Flores was that he didn't like Tua and the rest of the Dolphins organization did. History has sort of proven Flores right, but he was young for a Head Coach back then. Still young now at 44. So, I think he deserves another shot as much as anyone else. Also, there is an issue with Black Coaches getting a shot as head coaches. I think, for the most part, it is that the Black coaches get pigeon-holed as defensive coaches while others have experience on the offensive side of the ball. When it's time to hire head coaches, most organizations lean toward the offensive guys. Just look at the Black coaches that have or recently had jobs. Tomlin(defense), Bowles(defense), Ryans(defense), Glenn(defense), Morris(defense). It's getting better and there are lot of capable black coaches. Hopefully, more can break in on the offensive side of the ball and that will result in more head coaching opportunities.

 

[18IsTheMan]

I certainly don't think a qualified black candidate should be passed over BECAUSE he is black, but that is not what is happening. Owners want to win. Period. They will hire the person who they think gives them the best shot. That doesn't mean they always make the right pick.

What I don't get is why people frame it as the NFL NEEDS more black head coaches. Why? Why does any profession in the world NEED a certain amount of a particular demographic?

Dawn pushes this some with WBB...it needs more black women coaches. Why?

 

[sclawman77]

No red or yellow coaches hired either...just saying lol.

 

[RAtheOLcoach]

I wouldn't say it didn't work with Flores in Miami. Had a 24-25 Record in 3 seasons and had winning records in Years 2 and 3 after going 5-11 in his first year. It appears the issue with Flores was that he didn't like Tua and the rest of the Dolphins organization did. History has sort of proven Flores right, but he was young for a Head Coach back then. Still young now at 44. So, I think he deserves another shot as much as anyone else. Also, there is an issue with Black Coaches getting a shot as head coaches. I think, for the most part, it is that the Black coaches get pigeon-holed as defensive coaches while others have experience on the offensive side of the ball. When it's time to hire head coaches, most organizations lean toward the offensive guys. Just look at the Black coaches that have or recently had jobs. Tomlin(defense), Bowles(defense), Ryans(defense), Glenn(defense), Morris(defense). It's getting better and there are lot of capable black coaches. Hopefully, more can break in on the offensive side of the ball and that will result in more head coaching opportunities.

Why do you think there are fewer former offensive players who are black men who want to coach?

 

[DeBoer31]

Why do you think there are fewer former offensive players who are black men who want to coach?

sorry to answer for someone else here... but to me wanting to doesnt matter.
i think the appropriate question is: are they (whatever person or group) proven to be good enough to coach on xyz side of the ball.
I would argue too....what does having played have anything to do with it? I mean- are you suggesting they had to be a 10 year NFL vet? That narrows down the coaching "talent" greatly. 2 totally different things - playing and coaching.
Not many owners throwing their nose up at coaching talent.

 

[atl-cock]

I certainly don't think a qualified black candidate should be passed over BECAUSE he is black, but that is not what is happening. Owners want to win. Period. They will hire the person who they think gives them the best shot. That doesn't mean they always make the right pick.

What I don't get is why people frame it as the NFL NEEDS more black head coaches. Why? Why does any profession in the world NEED a certain amount of a particular demographic?

Dawn pushes this some with WBB...it needs more black women coaches. Why?

Maybe it's to provide role models for up and coming athletes. That may very well be Coach Staley's thinking on the matter.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Maybe it's to provide role models for up and coming athletes. That may very well be Coach Staley's thinking on the matter.

I absolutely understand that aspect and her hoping/wishing there were more, but when people say we "need" more of a particular demographic in any job, it drives me crazy. Like years ago when there was a push that we needed more girls in the sciences/technology. Why? I've never seen why professions need to have a particular demographic representation.

 

[atl-cock]

I absolutely understand that aspect and her hoping/wishing there were more, but when people say we "need" more of a particular demographic in any job, it drives me crazy. Like years ago when there was a push that we needed more girls in the sciences/technology. Why? I've never seen why professions need to have a particular demographic representation.

What is needed is not to pigeon hole someone into a role or profession due to the sex or skin colour. We need to ensure that anyone with the skill set to do a job is not denied the opportunity due to their sex or race.

 

[18IsTheMan]

What is needed is not to pigeon hole someone into a role or profession due to the sex or skin colour. We need to ensure that anyone with the skill set to do a job is not denied the opportunity due to their sex or race.

I don't think anyone would agree with that position. Anti-affirmative action. Skin color should be a total non-factor. 100% meritocracy.

 

[Rhode Island Dork]

Of 10 vacant jobs. Lots of fuss being made about it.

Can't say I really get it. NFL owners see one color: green. The best way to see more green is to win more games. They will hire whoever they think gives them the best shot. Owners aren't out to lose money in the name of white supremacy.

February is not gonna be happy.

 

[Lurker123]

I absolutely understand that aspect and her hoping/wishing there were more, but when people say we "need" more of a particular demographic in any job, it drives me crazy. Like years ago when there was a push that we needed more girls in the sciences/technology. Why? I've never seen why professions need to have a particular demographic representation.

There was a funny meme that went around a few years back. There were two lines on a campus, one for stem classes and one for women's studies. The crowd of girls looks for a moment, then all line up in the women's studies line. Next panel is all of them protesting with signs saying they need more women in stem jobs.

 

[atl-cock]

I don't think anyone would agree with that position. Anti-affirmative action. Skin color should be a total non-factor. 100% meritocracy.

If everything else was equal, I would consider race and sex. Again, only if everything else was equal.

 

[Piscis]

What is needed is not to pigeon hole someone into a role or profession due to the sex or skin colour. We need to ensure that anyone with the skill set to do a job is not denied the opportunity due to their sex or race.

I think the days of someone being denied an opportunity for a job they have the skill set for based on sex or race were over decades ago.

It is way past time for people to get preference for positions or to have lowered requirements for positions due to race or sex.

 

[Go Gamecocks]

I don't think anyone would agree with that position. Anti-affirmative action. Skin color should be a total non-factor. 100% meritocracy.

Same applies to the NFL draft.

 

[3USC1801]

It’s a complex problem but . . . .

As we all are aware, American history has a lot to do with current civil rights agendas. At least when it comes to race issues. Due to our past, the races are pitted one against another, and with many and varied motivations behind policies and implementations.

For those of us who lived through the civil rights movement and desegregation, we hoped healing would transpire. It has not. Instead, there is a continuum that stirs the pot and pushes us toward the extremes — it’s far easier (and in many cases, profitable) to point the finger at the past than to attack the problems of today head on.

Practically stating the situation, we are paying for the sins of our forefathers. That’s not a justification statement but it is reality.

Moving beyond the past is the challenge, and with the problems and differences facing our culture and sub-cultures, there’s not an easy or quick fix.

 

[atl-cock]

I think the days of someone being denied an opportunity for a job they have the skill set for based on sex or race were over decades ago.

It is way past time for people to get preference for positions or to have lowered requirements for positions due to race or sex.

I wish that were true, but based on the misogynistic comments being made in this thread regarding football and women's sports, I don't think so. However, in no way does that mean requirements for a position must be lowered to accommodate a disadvantaged class.

 

[Piscis]

It’s a complex problem but . . . .

As we all are aware, American history has a lot to do with current civil rights agendas. At least when it comes to race issues. Due to our past, the races are pitted one against another, and with many and varied motivations behind policies and implementations.

For those of us who lived through the civil rights movement and desegregation, we hoped healing would transpire. It has not. Instead, there is a continuum that stirs the pot and pushes us toward the extremes — it’s far easier (and in many cases, profitable) to point the finger at the past than to attack the problems of today head on.

Practically stating the situation, we are paying for the sins of our forefathers. That’s not a justification statement but it is reality.

Moving beyond the past is the challenge, and with the problems and differences facing our culture and sub-cultures, there’s not an easy or quick fix.

Racial strife is a big money industry. Untold billions of dollars move around the economy based on perceived racial injustice, most of which is entirely manufactured by media, race hucksters and politicians who stir racial conflict for their own benefit.

There is actually a very easy, simple fix. Make applications and job requirements totally color blind and gender neutral. Make the qualifications and requirements for every job or position the same for everyone that applies.

 

[Piscis]

I wish that were true, but based on the misogynistic comments being made in this thread regarding football and women's sports, I don't think so. However, in no way does that mean requirements for a position must be lowered to accommodate a disadvantaged class.

I don't consider someone not liking women's sports due to their obvious lower quality of play "misogynistic" any more than someone not enjoying 8-10 yr old coach pitch baseball making someone a child hater. Women's sports in general are not as popular as men's because the quality and level of play is hugely inferior, not because the public is misogynistic.

 

[18IsTheMan]

If everything else was equal, I would consider race and sex. Again, only if everything else was equal.

That's fine, so long as everyone is free to operate the same way. If the person who wants to hire a black woman over an equally qualified white man simply b/c of skin color and gender, another person should be free to hire a white man over an equally qualified black woman simply b/c of skin color and gender.

 

[Lurker123]

That's fine, so long as everyone is free to operate the same way. If the person who wants to hire a black woman over an equally qualified white man simply b/c of skin color and gender, another person should be free to hire a white man over an equally qualified black woman simply b/c of skin color and gender.

That is why I agreed with the original statement to remove race as a consideration completely.

If, at any time, you use race as a deciding factor, you are discriminating against another race that you are not favoring.

 

[atl-cock]

I don't consider someone not liking women's sports due to their obvious lower quality of play "misogynistic" any more than someone not enjoying 8-10 yr old coach pitch baseball making someone a child hater. Women's sports in general are not as popular as men's because the quality and level of play is hugely inferior, not because the public is misogynistic.

Except that too many posters here show contempt for women's sports.

 

[atl-cock]

That's fine, so long as everyone is free to operate the same way. If the person who wants to hire a black woman over an equally qualified white man simply b/c of skin color and gender, another person should be free to hire a white man over an equally qualified black woman simply b/c of skin color and gender.

As long as they are equally qualified.....it works both ways.

 

[Lurker123]

Except that too many posters here show contempt for women's sports.

Are we all required to like women's sports exactly the same amount as men's?

 

[Lurker123]

No red or yellow coaches hired either...just saying lol.

I dont think this can be repeated enough.

 

[Piscis]

Except that too many posters here show contempt for women's sports.

I don't have contempt for women's sports per se, but I really don't like women's sports much at all because the product is so inferior. I also don't like the media and some posters here acting like women's sports are something I should be excited about and, if I'm not, it means I hate women.

I enjoy motorsports but I don't care for dirt track racing. It isn't because I think I'm too good for it or I look down on the people who do it. It just isn't very exciting to watch. The cars are slow and the racing generally isn't competitive. The guy who puts the most money in his car usually drives off and leaves the field. In NASCAR, the cup series, the Xfinity and the truck series are entertaining but NASCAR has ruined what was a great sport with all of their pathetic attempts to become the NFL. Once you get down to the Menards series, the racing isn't fun to watch and the ARCA races are mind numbingly boring.

 

[Bubba Fett]

Don't you just get tired of the race card shite?

 

[18IsTheMan]

I don't have contempt for women's sports per se, but I really don't like women's sports much at all because the product is so inferior. I also don't like the media and some posters here acting like women's sports are something I should be excited about and, if I'm not, it means I hate women.

I enjoy motorsports but I don't care for dirt track racing. It isn't because I think I'm too good for it or I look down on the people who do it. It just isn't very exciting to watch. The cars are slow and the racing generally isn't competitive. The guy who puts the most money in his car usually drives off and leaves the field. In NASCAR, the cup series, the Xfinity and the truck series are entertaining but NASCAR has ruined what was a great sport with all of their pathetic attempts to become the NFL. Once you get down to the Menards series, the racing isn't fun to watch and the ARCA races are mind numbingly boring.

I mostly mock women's sports (when I do) in reaction to being told how great and popular they are. Like with the WNBA players holding out for more money when they exist solely as a charity arm of the NBA.

But, also, I simply don't buy that people like it more than men's. How could you? The product is just not good. Our terrible MBB team from last year would have CRUSHED our WBB who played for the title. It's just a grossly inferior product. The best WNBA player of all time wouldn't be able to get a reserve spot on the worst team in the history of the NBA.

You mentioned motorsports. I've made that analogy before that watching WBB compared to MBB would be like watching car racing at highway speeds vs watching NASCAR or Indy Car. Who wants to watch auto racing at 60 mph when you can see it at 200+ mph. Now if someone just says "I like women's sports" without any justification or comparison to men's sports, that's fine. But don't argue that there is anything superior about the product.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Don't you just get tired of the race card shite?

In their defense, it's one of the 2-3 cards they have to play.

 

[SouthernBelly]

The only thing that matters in hiring a head coach for any team/organization is: Do they really want to be there?

 

[SouthernBelly]

I absolutely understand that aspect and her hoping/wishing there were more, but when people say we "need" more of a particular demographic in any job, it drives me crazy. Like years ago when there was a push that we needed more girls in the sciences/technology. Why? I've never seen why professions need to have a particular demographic representation.

True. I don't know why there would be a perceived need to increase the number of bad drivers in those fields.

 

[SouthernBelly]

Except that too many posters here show contempt for women's sports.

How many is too many?

 

[3USC1801]

True. I don't know why there would be a perceived need to increase the number of bad drivers in those fields.

@SouthernBelly’s wife just saw his response. He’s now sleeping on the couch. . . .

 

[adcoop]

Why do you think there are fewer former offensive players who are black men who want to coach?

I see a combination of nepotism and networking at play that can have a discriminatory impact on Black coaches. Examples of this are Kyle Shanahan and Sean McVay. Both turned out to be a good coaches, but got opportunities at young ages because their fathers were in the business. So, there is still a little of the Good 'Ole Boy network going on where coaches' kids and friends get put on a team so they can have a resume to coach and get pushed to the front of the line.

 

[KingWard]

I see a combination of nepotism and networking at play that can have a discriminatory impact on Black coaches. Examples of this are Kyle Shanahan and Sean McVay. Both turned out to be a good coaches, but got opportunities at young ages because their fathers were in the business. So, there is still a little of the Good 'Ole Boy network going on where coaches' kids and friends get put on a team so they can have a resume to coach and get pushed to the front of the line.

I think that nepotism would be an impediment to any coach not directly aided by it, including the Caucasian ones who lack "connections".

 

[adcoop]

I think that nepotism would be an impediment to any coach not directly aided by it, including the Caucasian ones who lack "connections".

True, trying to give the benefit of the doubt here. That is why I referred to the problems in that way. However, it does seem that the Black coaches get pigeon-holed in two directions: Recruit the talent/Manage the Locker Room, take the jobs that are less desirable. A bad example of the nepotism and networking I am talking about is Mike Shula. Hasn't been good anywhere except for a couple years with the Panthers. However, he keeps getting jobs.

 

[KingWard]

True, trying to give the benefit of the doubt here. That is why I referred to the problems in that way. However, it does seem that the Black coaches get pigeon-holed in two directions: Recruit the talent/Manage the Locker Room, take the jobs that are less desirable. A bad example of the nepotism and networking I am talking about is Mike Shula. Hasn't been good anywhere except for a couple years with the Panthers. However, he keeps getting jobs.

That he continues to get jobs is inscrutable, but the main nepotistic factor would have been his father, who has been dead a long time and people who worked with or for him have mostly passed from the scene.

 

[Piscis]

True, trying to give the benefit of the doubt here. That is why I referred to the problems in that way. However, it does seem that the Black coaches get pigeon-holed in two directions: Recruit the talent/Manage the Locker Room, take the jobs that are less desirable. A bad example of the nepotism and networking I am talking about is Mike Shula. Hasn't been good anywhere except for a couple years with the Panthers. However, he keeps getting jobs.

Or, Shane Beamer.