B1G is King

Three straight football national champions, all different teams. Heck of a run that conference is having.

akhockey7 said:

Good call Tara on not wanting to be in the B1G. That gives B1G the following national titles this year: [LIST=1] [*]Football - Indiana [*]Men's Basketball - Michigan [*]Women's Basketball - UCLA [*]Women's Ice Hockey - Wisconsin [*]Wrestling - Penn State [/LIST] Also: [LIST=1] [*]Men's Ice Hockey - Michigan and Wisconsin in Frozen Four this weekend [*]Baseball - UCLA is the #1 team [*]Softball - Nebraska is #5 [*]Women's Volleyball - Nebraska was #3 and perennial powerhouse [/LIST] For those wondering, these are the relevant sports in the NCAA. Meanwhile Stanford continues to excel in **checks notes** Artistic Swimming

The degree at which those two teams played above the rim was so different than a Stanford game as to almost be unrecognizable. The athletic quality--not always the skill--was stunning. As good as Okorie has been, he would have had multiple shots blocked at the rim tonight...if he could have gotten that far.

Longwinded said:

The degree at which those two teams played above the rim was so different than a Stanford game as to almost be unrecognizable. The athletic quality--not always the skill--was stunning. As good as Okorie has been, he would have had multiple shots blocked at the rim tonight...if he could have gotten that far.

Just look at the bigs on Michigan. Yaxel Lendeborg, Morez Johnson, Aday Mara. All of those guys could be first round draft picks this year. The physicality and above-the-rim athleticism they all bring is very special, in addition to their skill.

I mean, UConn had a bunch of shots blocked at the rim too, so that's not really a commentary on Okorie. I'm not sold on Mara as an NBA player - he'll probably be all right on defense, but I'm not sure his offensive skill set will be good enough. He's nowhere near Reynaud on that end.

Across the board it seems Michigan is killing it right now. The Go Blue alumni and associated followers are a big and committed group.

akhockey7 said:

Good call Tara on not wanting to be in the B1G. That gives B1G the following national titles this year: [LIST=1] [*]Football - Indiana [*]Men's Basketball - Michigan [*]Women's Basketball - UCLA [*]Women's Ice Hockey - Wisconsin [*]Wrestling - Penn State [/LIST] Also: [LIST=1] [*]Men's Ice Hockey - Michigan and Wisconsin in Frozen Four this weekend [*]Baseball - UCLA is the #1 team [*]Softball - Nebraska is #5 [*]Women's Volleyball - Nebraska was #3 and perennial powerhouse [/LIST] For those wondering, these are the relevant sports in the NCAA. Meanwhile Stanford continues to excel in **checks notes** Artistic Swimming

Better B1G than SEC

The B1G is dominating college sports right now. They have huge state schools with massive fan bases and rich donors. That doesn't mean Stanford would succeed in the B1G, because we don't have either a large fan base or rich donors willing to give to Athletics.

JSinSF said:

I mean, UConn had a bunch of shots blocked at the rim too, so that's not really a commentary on Okorie. I'm not sold on Mara as an NBA player - he'll probably be all right on defense, but I'm not sure his offensive skill set will be good enough. He's nowhere near Reynaud on that end.

He will be a very good defensive player just as a rim protector. Offensively, he's a good passer and developing some touch although that's not in tip-top shape. He also has a lot of gravity as a role man due to his height. Likely won't be a high volume scorer, but he can carve out a role. Different player from Raynaud, who's a five-out style center that can't protect the rim well.

akhockey7 said:

Good call Tara on not wanting to be in the B1G. That gives B1G the following national titles this year: [LIST=1] [*]Football - Indiana [*]Men's Basketball - Michigan [*]Women's Basketball - UCLA [*]Women's Ice Hockey - Wisconsin [*]Wrestling - Penn State [*]Men's Soccer - Washington [/LIST] Also: [LIST=1] [*]Men's Ice Hockey - Michigan and Wisconsin in Frozen Four this weekend [*]Baseball - UCLA is the #1 team [*]Softball - Nebraska is #5 [*]Women's Volleyball - Nebraska was #3 and perennial powerhouse [/LIST] For those wondering, these are the relevant sports in the NCAA. Meanwhile Stanford continues to excel in **checks notes** Artistic Swimming

Kudos to the B1G*, but I'm not sure why this is something to hold against Tara. The B1G didn't want us, so her opinion was moot. There's nothing about being in the ACC that prevents us from addressing our deficiencies. They're almost entirely self-inflicted, not because we're in a lesser conference. Betts should be in a Cardinal uniform. Arguably Rice. Haley Jones left disliking the program. Her anointed successor is losing players left and right to the portal. You can hold those things against Tara. * 12 years ago, the B1G was down a bit, and I prematurely wrote its death certificate. My thinking was that with the rise of national college football coverage, regionalism would diminish and kids from the Midwest would be more interested in the warm-weather schools that were winning. namely, the SEC... and... wait for it... the Pac 12. Doh!

anurag41 said:

Kudos to the B1G*, but I'm not sure why this is something to hold against Tara. The B1G didn't want us, so her opinion was moot. There's nothing about being in the ACC that prevents us from addressing our deficiencies. They're almost entirely self-inflicted, not because we're in a lesser conference. Betts should be in a Cardinal uniform. Arguably Rice. Haley Jones left disliking the program. Her anointed successor is losing players left and right to the portal. You can hold those things against Tara. * 12 years ago, the B1G was down a bit, and I prematurely wrote its death certificate. My thinking was that with the rise of national college football coverage, regionalism would diminish and kids from the Midwest would be more interested in the warm-weather schools that were winning. namely, the SEC... and... wait for it... the Pac 12. Doh!

I consider the ACC a headwind for us on two levels. First, as a lesser power conference it systematically hurts our recruiting. We would get better recruits and better transfers if we were in the B1G. Whether that would offset the increased difficulty in competition is an interesting debate. Second, the travel is brutal for us. Replacing so many of the ACC road trips with USC, UCLA, Oregon, and Washington and having even the roughest be not quite as far as they currently are would have been unquestionably better. Not really any doubt in my mind we’d be in a better position in the B1G. My view on why Tara’s role was regrettable is summed up in another post but basically her choice to be a voice of caution against the B1G was NOT helpful (her line was explicitly that it was good for football but not other sports): she gave a permission structure (though it cannot be said enough that she was not alone and does not bear the brunt of the blame) for Stanford's complacency at what turned out to be a pivotal inflection point. Feckless "leaders" like MTL, Drell, and Muir were already not the A team for dealing with existential questions for Stanford athletics. It did not help that Tara proved to be a titanic figure standing athwart history and yelling stop just at the time our leaders needed backbone and permission to position our ship for a safe harbor. Good on you for fessing up to that Pac-12 prediction. Plenty I’ve been wrong about but that wasn’t one. Saw the death of the Pac-12 a thousand miles away.

msqueri said:

I consider the ACC a headwind for us on two levels. First, as a lesser power conference it systematically hurts our recruiting. We would get better recruits and better transfers if we were in the B1G. Whether that would offset the increased difficulty in competition is an interesting debate. Second, the travel is brutal for us. Replacing so many of the ACC road trips with USC, UCLA, Oregon, and Washington and having even the roughest be not quite as far as they currently are would have been unquestionably better. Not really any doubt in my mind we’d be in a better position in the B1G. My view on why Tara’s role was regrettable is summed up in another post but basically her choice to be a voice of caution against the B1G was NOT helpful (her line was explicitly that it was good for football but not other sports): she gave a permission structure (though it cannot be said enough that she was not alone and does not bear the brunt of the blame) for Stanford's complacency at what turned out to be a pivotal inflection point. Feckless "leaders" like MTL, Drell, and Muir were already not the A team for dealing with existential questions for Stanford athletics. It did not help that Tara proved to be a titanic figure standing athwart history and yelling stop just at the time our leaders needed backbone and permission to position our ship for a safe harbor. Good on you for fessing up to that Pac-12 prediction. Plenty I’ve been wrong about but that wasn’t one. Saw the death of the Pac-12 a thousand miles away.

Attributing any blame - beyond "if you squint your eyes you can see marginalia" - to Tara for Stanford not ending up in the Big Whatever is hard to credit. As another poster noted, the Big Whatever didn't want Stanford, mainly because football was a dead program. The blame for that falls squarely on 2 people - the HC and the AD. [And wasn't there some reported Stanford animus by Fox Big Wigs that made consideration of Stanford almost a non-starter, but combined with $hit football closed that book?]. Aside from that, you had a Pac 12 Commissioner who was more concerned about office space than the interests of the member institutions (and a subsequent leader who was not strong enough to keep the ship together). Add to that the reality that Stanford hoops was meh; baseball was unsteady, and, well . . . you get the picture. On this list of reasons why Stanford is not in the Big Whatever, if Tara's name is on the list, it's about #30. At least that's my impression.

The Big 10 appears to be proficient at something much darker, perhaps deserving of it's own thread; the sexual abuse history in the Big 10 is not good: Michigan, Dr Robert Anderson; a thousand victims including Bo Schembechler's son [HEADING=2]Robert Anderson (sex offender) - Wikipedia[/HEADING] en.wikipedia.org Ohio State, Dr Richard Strauss; nearly 200 victims. [HEADING=2]Ohio State University abuse scandal - Wikipedia[/HEADING] en.wikipedia.org Michigan State, Dr Larry Nassar; 265 victims [HEADING=2]Larry Nassar - Wikipedia[/HEADING] en.wikipedia.org U$C, Dr George Tyndall; 16 victims, $1.1 billion settlement by U$C [HEADING=2]George Tyndall - Wikipedia[/HEADING] en.wikipedia.org Penn State. Jerry Sandusky; 52 charges. [HEADING=2]Jerry Sandusky - Wikipedia[/HEADING] en.wikipedia.org Disgusting.

cardcrimson said:

The Big 10 appears to be proficient at something much darker, perhaps deserving of it's own thread; the sexual abuse history in the Big 10 is not good: Michigan, Dr Robert Anderson; a thousand victims including Bo Schembechler's son [HEADING=2]Robert Anderson (sex offender) - Wikipedia[/HEADING] en.wikipedia.org Ohio State, Dr Richard Strauss; nearly 200 victims. [HEADING=2]Ohio State University abuse scandal - Wikipedia[/HEADING] en.wikipedia.org Michigan State, Dr Larry Nassar; 265 victims [HEADING=2]Larry Nassar - Wikipedia[/HEADING] en.wikipedia.org U$C, Dr George Tyndall; 16 victims, $1.1 billion settlement by U$C [HEADING=2]George Tyndall - Wikipedia[/HEADING] en.wikipedia.org Penn State. Jerry Sandusky; 52 charges. [HEADING=2]Jerry Sandusky - Wikipedia[/HEADING] en.wikipedia.org Disgusting.

LOL the pot calling the kettle black...

cardcrimson said:

The Big 10 appears to be proficient at something much darker, perhaps deserving of it's own thread; the sexual abuse history in the Big 10 is not good: Michigan, Dr Robert Anderson; a thousand victims including Bo Schembechler's son.

Don’t forget to voice your disdain about trump’s sexual assaults and rapes in the WFLL thread as well. I mean, you’re not merely disgusted selectively based on the perpetrator are you?

akhockey7 said:

LOL the pot calling the kettle black...

Who is that?

SLS90 said:

Who is that?

Brock Turner

ajthree said:

Don’t forget to voice your disdain about trump’s sexual assaults and rapes in the WFLL thread as well. I mean, you’re not merely disgusted selectively based on the perpetrator are you?

Is that how this works now? If there is some misconduct that can be tied to Trump and/or his administration - and you don't condemn said misconduct (even if of different scale) in the fascism thread - then you open yourself up to attack when you call out that misconduct in other circumstances? Is it not sufficient that you go after the poster in the fascism thread? Is is really necessary (or productive) to extend that that attack?

treeboy1 said:

Brock Turner

Thanks. I thought it might be a former PK. Might be more of a little pot calling an enormous Kettle black; though in truth, it's silly to attribute individual horrific behaviors to a conference. (Also, the the SC guy had to part of Pac for some/most/all of his alleged misconduct. And speaking of the SC guy, does he remind anyone else of an actor? Can't pinpoint who I'm thinking of - he has a bit of the look of the guy from Chicago and Talladega Nights (whom I think is great, btw), but I think there might be more of a doppleganger in Hollywood.

akhockey7 said:

LOL the pot calling the kettle black...

And lest we forget Eric Abrams.

SLS90 said:

Is it not sufficient that you go after the poster in the fascism thread? Is is really necessary (or productive) to extend that that attack?

Yes, hypocrisy sucks and needs to be snuffed out.

SLS90 said:

Thanks. I thought it might be a former PK. Might be more of a little pot calling an enormous Kettle black; though in truth, it's silly to attribute individual horrific behaviors to a conference. (Also, the the SC guy had to part of Pac for some/most/all of his alleged misconduct. And speaking of the SC guy, does he remind anyone else of an actor? Can't pinpoint who I'm thinking of - he has a bit of the look of the guy from Chicago and Talladega Nights (whom I think is great, btw), but I think there might be more of a doppleganger in Hollywood.

Not quite a straight line comparison, as the CC list was administrators and coaches, so should be the adults in the room. Every school has their share of student misconduct, but some schools certainly go out of their way to protect adult abusers.

SLS90 said:

Is that how this works now? If there is some misconduct that can be tied to Trump and/or his administration - and you don't condemn said misconduct (even if of different scale) in the fascism thread - then you open yourself up to attack when you call out that misconduct in other circumstances? Is it not sufficient that you go after the poster in the fascism thread? Is is really necessary (or productive) to extend that that attack?

Yup that’s exactly how it works. You don’t get to be the conscience against rape culture in one forum while cheering on rapists in another. Thanks for helping me extend the point (again) as some of us view the issue of utmost importance no matter the forum/thread 🤷🏽‍♂️

treeboy1 said:

Yes, hypocrisy sucks and needs to be snuffed out.

Then by all means, continue with your jihad.

I find that term "reprehensible!" Just kidding, only one poster here thinks words from random message board schmos like myself are a greater evil than what is transpiring in the big tent he proclaims undying devotion to.