Hartline needs to move on from Ohio State. He cannot have his cake and eat it too as it will be a huge detriment to the team. He accepted a new job, an extremely demanding job that requires much of his time and attention. This is not similar to Bob Chesney and Jon Sumrall staying on at their current schools—schools that are merely happy to be there and have no chance of winning in the CFP. Ohio State is staring down the barrel of potentially historic back to back national championships. This is an all hands on deck moment. Meanwhile, Brian is in the process of building out his staff and preparing for the transfer portal, which opens roughly 24 hours after the conclusion of the Cotton Bowl.
Day is in a tough spot here because he cannot fire Hartline like Saban fired Lane Kiffin in a similar situation back in 2016. Hartline needs to be a big boy, set aside his ego, and actually make an adult, selfless decision for once and step aside for the betterment of the team.
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QCBuckeye
Dec 10, 4:27 PM
Its interesting to me how a close loss impacts peoples perception. Had we closely beat Indiana, I doubt people would be doubting Hartline's commitment, but his level of commitment was the same. It's not an ideal situation, but it's the world we live in and I don't think you will find a more loyal buckeye than Hartline.
mkurywchak
Dec 10, 4:29 PM
I don’t think Day is in a tough spot tbh. The decision is clear. If Brian wants to stay, keep him around but don’t involve him in game planning or play calling. The only chance we have at a natty relies on fixing the right side of the OL and Day taking over play calling. Brian has shown multiple times that he just isn’t a good play caller and that’s ok. I think Day made a bad move by promoting him to OC but he has a chance to not let it hurt him this year if he takes back the play sheet for the CFP. We’ll see how they handle it but I certainly don’t believe Day’s comments the other day about Hartline keeping play calling duties moving forward…
Hanawi
Dec 10, 4:29 PM
OSU and Hartline are hardly alone here. Oregon is losing both their coordinators, A&M is losing their OC, Ole Miss is a weird Frankenstein coaching staff.
swflbuckeye1
Dec 10, 4:29 PM
CincyOSU284 said:Day can’t say this but if I had to guess this will be Ryan Days offense during the playoffs. Brian Hartley will simply be there for the games, provide some support for the players and cheer on the team. I think this is a way of Ryan letting Hartline be a part of the playoffs. I think officially Brian Hartline will be the OC and calling plays. Unofficially Hartline is going to just be there for the players and offer some advice to Ryan Day.Hartline needs to move on from Ohio State. He cannot have his cake and eat it too as it will be a huge detriment to the team. He accepted a new job, an extremely demanding job that requires much of his time and attention. This is not similar to Bob Chesney and Jon Sumrall staying on at their current schools—schools that are merely happy to be there and have no chance of winning in the CFP. Ohio State is staring down the barrel of potentially historic back to back national championships. This is an all hands on deck moment. Meanwhile, Brian is in the process of building out his staff and preparing for the transfer portal, which opens roughly 24 hours after the conclusion of the Cotton Bowl. Day is in a tough spot here because he cannot fire Hartline like Saban fired Lane Kiffin in a similar situation back in 2016. Hartline needs to be a big boy, set aside his ego, and actually make an adult, selfless decision for once and step aside for the betterment of the team.
Ranckster
Dec 10, 4:31 PM
Tom Herman did it. Kirby Smart did it at Bama. It can be done - the alternative is Day taking over.
Bucks231
Dec 10, 4:31 PM
Ranckster said:Also a much different time when they did itTom Herman did it. Kirby Smart did it at Bama. It can be done - the alternative is Day taking over.
LetsPartyColumbus
Dec 10, 4:36 PM
i think people are failing to understand how much it still means to the players to have Hartline around. Even if you dont think hes a great play caller, he still has the respect of the WR room, which is the key to the Ferrari. If you tell Hartline to leave, you run the risk of upsetting that room. This week, Hartline is in South Florida getting things together. If next week comes around and the team feels like it’s becoming too difficult to manage, then i think you make the change. But right now I think there’s still a lot of cohesion and trust that they can right the ship.
Tmar08
Dec 10, 4:45 PM
QCBuckeye said:I dont think people question if he loves this team and loves Ohio State, people question if he can do both jobs at once, taking a step back and being just the wr coach would be a selfless move for the betterment of the team. IMOIts interesting to me how a close loss impacts peoples perception. Had we closely beat Indiana, I doubt people would be doubting Hartline's commitment, but his level of commitment was the same. It's not an ideal situation, but it's the world we live in and I don't think you will find a more loyal buckeye than Hartline.
buckballs
Dec 10, 4:46 PM
LetsPartyColumbus said:This seems pretty logical, are you you sure you are in the right place? 😆i think people are failing to understand how much it still means to the players to have Hartline around. Even if you dont think hes a great play caller, he still has the respect of the WR room, which is the key to the Ferrari. If you tell Hartline to leave, you run the risk of upsetting that room. This week, Hartline is in South Florida getting things together. If next week comes around and the team feels like it’s becoming too difficult to manage, then i think you make the change. But right now I think there’s still a lot of cohesion and trust that they can right the ship.
Anon1627794446
Dec 10, 4:55 PM
Ranckster said:You also just named two exceptional coordinators who are considered brilliant on their side of the ball. No disrespect to Hartline, but he ain’t a Smart or Herman level coordinator. He would have never gotten a coordinator job here if he didn’t prove himself to be too valuable to lose as a WR coach and recruiter. His role as coordinator this year always seemed to be the bus driver of Day’s bus.Tom Herman did it. Kirby Smart did it at Bama. It can be done - the alternative is Day taking over.
RaleighBuck
Dec 10, 4:58 PM
QCBuckeye said:Yea this is getting so overblown. I have faith in day to pilot the ship hear. People acting like hartline just doesn’t care about OSU anymore are insanceIts interesting to me how a close loss impacts peoples perception. Had we closely beat Indiana, I doubt people would be doubting Hartline's commitment, but his level of commitment was the same. It's not an ideal situation, but it's the world we live in and I don't think you will find a more loyal buckeye than Hartline.
CincyOSU284
Dec 10, 4:59 PM
Ranckster said:With the transfer portal looming, roster construction is so different than it was a decade ago, particularly at a place like USF that will be heavily involved in the portal.Tom Herman did it. Kirby Smart did it at Bama. It can be done - the alternative is Day taking over.
Ranckster
Dec 10, 4:59 PM
Anon1627794446 said:If that's the case it would seem his job would be easier to stay on than Smart or Titty Bar Tom since they were real coordinators. This implies he never was a true indepenent coordinator so staying would be less problematic since his role is less but the flip side is leaving should be less impactful.You also just named two exceptional coordinators who are considered brilliant on their side of the ball. No disrespect to Hartline, but he ain’t a Smart or Herman level coordinator. He would have never gotten a coordinator job here if he didn’t prove himself to be too valuable to lose as a WR coach and recruiter. His role as coordinator this year always seemed to be the bus driver of Day’s bus.
CincyOSU284
Dec 10, 4:59 PM
LetsPartyColumbus said:Hartline has to be the one to make the decision. I realize that. I said as much in my post—this has to come from Hartline.i think people are failing to understand how much it still means to the players to have Hartline around. Even if you dont think hes a great play caller, he still has the respect of the WR room, which is the key to the Ferrari. If you tell Hartline to leave, you run the risk of upsetting that room. This week, Hartline is in South Florida getting things together. If next week comes around and the team feels like it’s becoming too difficult to manage, then i think you make the change. But right now I think there’s still a lot of cohesion and trust that they can right the ship.
350zjk
Dec 10, 5:36 PM
mkurywchak said:Regardless of anything else, the fact is that he's spreading himself pretty thin.I don’t think Day is in a tough spot tbh. The decision is clear. If Brian wants to stay, keep him around but don’t involve him in game planning or play calling. The only chance we have at a natty relies on fixing the right side of the OL and Day taking over play calling. Brian has shown multiple times that he just isn’t a good play caller and that’s ok. I think Day made a bad move by promoting him to OC but he has a chance to not let it hurt him this year if he takes back the play sheet for the CFP. We’ll see how they handle it but I certainly don’t believe Day’s comments the other day about Hartline keeping play calling duties moving forward…
350zjk
Dec 10, 5:38 PM
RaleighBuck said:Agree that this is getting a little overblown, but it's relative none the less.Yea this is getting so overblown. I have faith in day to pilot the ship hear. People acting like hartline just doesn’t care about OSU anymore are insance
BC 84
Dec 10, 5:41 PM
LetsPartyColumbus said:I’d take the other side of that coin. JJ and especially Tate standing on the sidelines and watching 13-14 personnel epically fail in the RZ….they’d probably welcome a new play caller…i think people are failing to understand how much it still means to the players to have Hartline around. Even if you dont think hes a great play caller, he still has the respect of the WR room, which is the key to the Ferrari. If you tell Hartline to leave, you run the risk of upsetting that room. This week, Hartline is in South Florida getting things together. If next week comes around and the team feels like it’s becoming too difficult to manage, then i think you make the change. But right now I think there’s still a lot of cohesion and trust that they can right the ship.
Anon1701965917
Dec 10, 5:49 PM
Most around here know my feelings on BH the OC, couldn’t hate it more. Was a mistake to elevate him and would be a mistake to let him call plays in the playoff. His head is elsewhere and it absolutely cost us the IU game. Problem is Day doesn’t have a safety net like Saban did with Sark as analyst.
To me this is different than Tom Herman and Kirby Smart. Both of those guys had years and years of coaching and coordinating experience. BH doesn’t and it shows.
PinoyBuckeye
Dec 10, 5:50 PM
Ranckster said:The biggest difference I see is those guys weren’t dealing with the portal and NIL at their new schools while trying to coach their old schools through a playoff.Tom Herman did it. Kirby Smart did it at Bama. It can be done - the alternative is Day taking over.
aa-ron
Dec 10, 5:58 PM
Ridiculous sentiment to hold and express. Hartline is a bigger Buckeye than any of us on this message board and he’s been an amazing contributor to the football team over decades. We will be fine and now there’s enough time for Day and others including Hartline to come up with the game plan to be successful throughout the playoffs.
mkurywchak
Dec 10, 6:01 PM
350zjk said:100%. Which is why giving Hartline the OC job was a bad move by Day. I know he didn’t want to lose him as a WR coach, but Hartline is not a schemer or play caller and he has clearly been interested in taking a HC job for a while now. Should have stuck with what worked and hired an outside OC so Day isn’t stretched too thinRegardless of anything else, the fact is that he's spreading himself pretty thin.
drew_berger
Dec 10, 6:20 PM
QCBuckeye said:Were you here for the post-Texas game tantrums? I wouldn't be so sureIts interesting to me how a close loss impacts peoples perception. Had we closely beat Indiana, I doubt people would be doubting Hartline's commitment, but his level of commitment was the same.
Alex Gleitman
Dec 10, 6:24 PM
Unlike last week, in which there were other things going on too, I don't see Day letting it effect the run they're about to start. He's not stupid
CincyOSU284
Dec 10, 7:59 PM
Alex Gleitman said:Hartline right now is just a waste of space. He’s not going to be focused. He needs to leave and Day needs to bring in an adult (Chip).Unlike last week, in which there were other things going on too, I don't see Day letting it effect the run they're about to start. He's not stupid
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