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Watchdog eyes NIL violations at 5-10 Power 4 schools

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Seton75

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So we have the cap that the school can contribute. Must the money from donors be included in that cap, or are they in addition to what the school doles out.
 
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Seton75

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Kids who nobody would recognize and whose names are not know by fans of their team get paid NIL.

Ed O'Bannon's image and likeness were valuable, and were stolen. But today, for all but a few, NIL is a ridiculous term. Kids are getting paid to play a sport. There us nothing wrong with kids getting paid, their sports earns tons of money and the deserve a piece. Caitlin Clark doing an insurance commercial made sense. But paying NIL money is ridiculous when the N, I and L are worthless. Their basketball ability, than is why they are getting paid. NIL THIS...
 
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Seton75 said:
Kids who nobody would recognize and whose names are not know by fans of their team get paid NIL.

Ed O'Bannon's image and likeness were valuable, and were stolen. But today, for all but a few, NIL is a ridiculous term. Kids are getting paid to play a sport. There us nothing wrong with kids getting paid, their sports earns tons of money and the deserve a piece. Caitlin Clark doing an insurance commercial made sense. But paying NIL money is ridiculous when the N, I and L are worthless. Their basketball ability, than is why they are getting paid. NIL THIS...
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Well said
 
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dehere23

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Seton75 said:
Kids who nobody would recognize and whose names are not know by fans of their team get paid NIL.

Ed O'Bannon's image and likeness were valuable, and were stolen. But today, for all but a few, NIL is a ridiculous term. Kids are getting paid to play a sport. There us nothing wrong with kids getting paid, their sports earns tons of money and the deserve a piece. Caitlin Clark doing an insurance commercial made sense. But paying NIL money is ridiculous when the N, I and L are worthless. Their basketball ability, than is why they are getting paid. NIL THIS...
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1000%. It’s pay for play. People want to fund that it’s their choice and the schools can allocate money towards it (in some cases I’m sure from much more worthwhile causes)
 
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ivyhillpark63 said:
So uconn donors cant just hand hines a million bucks to play at uconn. There has to be a fair value business purpose behind it?
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Fixed it for you ...

dehere23 said:
Ironic this is the example you use instead of the actual donors who did this.

but carry on
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LOL. Exactly.

Repole, Pitino, and StJ live absolutely rent free in the minds of some on this board.
 
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dehere23

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shupat08 said:
Fixed it for you ...



LOL. Exactly.

Repole, Pitino, and StJ live absolutely rent free in the minds of some on this board.
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It’s wild. You would think after 3 years we wouldn’t have to deal with another season of absurdity and just talk hoops like rational fans.
 
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dehere23

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Programs, including ours, will use any edge to win.

And states and universities will do the same.

For example, a colleague of mine from Hartford recently told me that CT state income tax law allows a massive tax credit for donations to state sports programs. Like up to 50-75%, dollar for dollar (or something like that).

Private universities don’t have that. Which if accurate is a massive advantage for UCONN and its supporters, which doesn’t lack for $$ or support as the Blur Blood of the East.
 
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College basketball Name, Image, and Likeness (NIL) rules allow student-athletes to earn money from their personal brands while keeping their college eligibility, governed by a combination of NCAA regulations, state laws, and institutional policies.

Core NIL Rules and Principles

    • No "Pay-for-Play": Athletes cannot be paid directly by schools or boosters strictly for athletic performance (such as scoring points or winning games), and deals cannot act as recruiting inducements to sign with a specific program.
    • Fair Market Value & Business Purpose: Third-party NIL compensation must reflect legitimate, fair-market value for actual services rendered (e.g., social media posts, appearances, or endorsements) rather than disguised pay-for-play.
    • Mandatory Reporting: Student-athletes must report third-party NIL deals of $600 or more through the online portal NIL Go within five business days.
    • State and School Restrictions: State laws and individual universities dictate specific compliance guidelines, including whether athletes can endorse certain products like alcohol, tobacco, or gambling.
    • Professional Representation: Athletes are legally allowed to hire agents, attorneys, or financial advisors to help structure and review their NIL contracts.
    • Tax Responsibilities: Income earned from NIL deals is considered taxable personal income, and athletes must track earnings and receive appropriate tax forms.
    Permitted vs. Prohibited Activities

    Permitted NIL ActivitiesProhibited / Restricted Activities
    Brand and product endorsementsDirect "pay-for-play" salaries from universities for athletic participation
    Social media sponsorships and content creationRecruiting inducements tied to signing or transferring
    Autograph signings and paid public appearancesDeals exceeding fair market value designed to bypass rules
    Youth basketball camps and clinicsUnauthorized use of official school logos, trademarks, or gear without clearance
    Merchandise licensing with the athlete's name/numberUndisclosed third-party payments over $600
 
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There is a crucial difference between NIL (Name, Image, and Likeness) deals and direct school revenue sharing, which acts as a salary cap.
  • NIL Deals (No Cap): Endorsements, social media deals, and third-party agreements with boosters or collectives have no individual or team cap. However, all third-party deals worth $600 or more must be reported through NIL Go and reviewed by an independent clearinghouse to ensure they reflect fair market value for actual commercial services (preventing disguised pay-for-play).
    • Direct Revenue Sharing Cap: Under the House v. NCAA settlement, Power-4/Division I schools are permitted to share athletic revenue directly with student-athletes. This pool operates under an annual school-wide cap (approximately $20.5 million to $21.58 million per institution for the 2026–27 academic year).

How the Cap Applies to College Basketball
    • No Sport-Specific Mandates: The NCAA does not mandate a strict sport-by-sport salary floor or cap inside the overall school budget. Universities can choose how to divide the total pool among their teams.
    • Typical Allocation: At most Power-5 schools with big football programs, the budget distribution follows a familiar formula, though basketball-specific or Big East schools allocate differently:
Sport CategoryHigh-Major Typical AllocationEstimated Dollar Amount (Out of $20.5M Pool)
Football~75%~$15.38 million
Men's Basketball~15%~$3.08 million
Women's Basketball~5%~$1.03 million
Other Sports Combined~5%~$1.03 million
    • Mid-Major vs. High-Major: While high-major basketball programs might utilize a few million dollars from direct school revenue-sharing, mid-major or smaller basketball-focused programs operate on much smaller direct-pay pools (often closer to $600,000 for men's basketball and $200,000 for women's basketball), supplemented heavily by independent third-party NIL collectives.
    • Top Earner Potential: Through a combination of direct school revenue-sharing and outside third-party NIL endorsements, top-tier men's college basketball players can earn over $2 million annually, and top female basketball players can earn over $500,000 annually.
 
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dehere23

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ivyhillpark63 said:
Its just an extreme example. So

Yeah so? What are any of them really doing? Building a program ? Yeah bs
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Right. A top 5 program builder in the history of college basketball, who has done it in every era at every level across like 5 other schools, hasn’t resurrected yet another program from the ashes. It’s all in our imagination.

The bigger point, as another long-time great poster of our boards said better than I could, is how any Seton Hall fan could use as an example a booster from a different program than the one in our own conference that stole Hines from under our nose. One needs a bottle of Makers and a few trips to the therapy couch to understand the rationality of that one.

More so, after 3 years of threads getting derailed, it would be nice to be able to go to a fan message board and talk about all BE teams with some level of rational, objective and non-trolling thought and opinion, avoiding the haywire, schizo outcomes of the past.
 
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