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Nah...I'm done with that bot. Just like you said, too much else going on worth keeping up with.

That's my point. Things are going to start picking up and I'm not going to be wasting time on old **** the media has lied about.
 

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A man of character would simply say, “I didn’t realize I’d been lied to and manipulated so badly by the media. Thank you for providing accurate information.”
Excuse Me Wow GIF by Mashable
 

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Question for @Gunny46 and @DvlDog4WVU How do you feel about Trump’s comments regarding Senator and Naval Officer John McCain?
Petty and unnecessary. As I’ve said, I support the majority of Trump’s policies, but about 20% of the time, he kicks a baby. That said, the **** that has been said about Trump is far worse, including by McCain.

On balance, still far more good than bad.
 

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Petty and unnecessary. As I’ve said, I support the majority of Trump’s policies, but about 20% of the time, he kicks a baby. That said, the **** that has been said about Trump is far worse, including by McCain.

On balance, still far more good than bad.
Not petty at all. It’s speaks to his lack of intelligence, character and maturity. McCain had every right to defend himself and his DISTINGUISHED military and professional career against Trumps ludicrous and baseless attacks. Appreciate your honesty, although I think Trump kicks the baby, the dog, and Musk’s many illegitimates kids, more than 20% of the time. 70%? Maybe 80%? 🤷🏻‍♂️
 

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Reading through this thread, cheers is definitely sammyk lol. What a dumbass lol

I remember when pysops were conducted tossing pamphlets out of aircrafts on nailing them on electric poles. Then it moved to the internet. The Communist have always sucked at it. Square peg meets round hole. Must make it fit. Derp Derp.
 

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Leftists are like roaches. See one, kill it...100% guaranteed there's another one not too far behind. 😏
How many times do I have to tell you I’m A MODERATE. You MAGAs think ANYTHING to the left of you is a leftist, commie, socialist. Lol 😂
 

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Not petty at all. It’s speaks to his lack of intelligence, character and maturity. McCain had every right to defend himself and his DISTINGUISHED military and professional career against Trumps ludicrous and baseless attacks. Appreciate your honesty, although I think Trump kicks the baby, the dog, and Musk’s many illegitimates kids, more than 20% of the time. 70%? Maybe 80%? 🤷🏻‍♂️

McCain is fvcking dead dumbass. Hopefully he made peace with his maker before departing. He definitely had skeletons in his closet. Trump also fought with Rubio. Remind us who is Secretary of State today. He also fought with Ted Cruz. Cruz just said in an interview that Trump offered him a SCOTUS position three times.
 

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Not petty at all. It’s speaks to his lack of intelligence, character and maturity. McCain had every right to defend himself and his DISTINGUISHED military and professional career against Trumps ludicrous and baseless attacks. Appreciate your honesty, although I think Trump kicks the baby, the dog, and Musk’s many illegitimates kids, more than 20% of the time. 70%? Maybe 80%? 🤷🏻‍♂️
I think you misunderstood. His statement about McCain was in response to McCain’s attacks on Trump, had McCain not attacked Trump, Trump wouldn’t have said what he did. That he did say it, was petty and unnecessary, McCain was for the most part irrelevant by then. Once he said it, I have no issues with McCain firing back and defending himself either. That said, McCain was kind of a shitbag Naval officer. Him spending years in the Hanoi Hilton doesn’t change that fact, but also, someone who survived that, shouldn’t be subjected to the comments Trump made.
 

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Question for @Gunny46 and @DvlDog4WVU How do you feel about Trump’s comments regarding Senator and Naval Officer John McCain?
If McCain's dad and grandfather weren't admirals, he'd have been court martialed for the Forestal incident. He was constantly written up for poor judgement.
 

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How many times do I have to tell you I’m A MODERATE. You MAGAs think ANYTHING to the left of you is a leftist, commie, socialist. Lol 😂

Correct because we are Moderate. So anything left of us is usually is a Communist turd. There's numerous threads pointing out what Democrats are fighting and voting for. Several RINOS have joined them.
 

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I think you misunderstood. His statement about McCain was in response to McCain’s attacks on Trump, had McCain not attacked Trump, Trump wouldn’t have said what he did. That he did say it, was petty and unnecessary, McCain was for the most part irrelevant by then. Once he said it, I have no issues with McCain firing back and defending himself either. That said, McCain was kind of a shitbag Naval officer. Him spending years in the Hanoi Hilton doesn’t change that fact, but also, someone who survived that, shouldn’t be subjected to the comments Trump made.
He was quite possilby the reason the Forrestal nearly sank.
 

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Not petty at all. It’s speaks to his lack of intelligence, character and maturity. McCain had every right to defend himself and his DISTINGUISHED military and professional career against Trumps ludicrous and baseless attacks. Appreciate your honesty, although I think Trump kicks the baby, the dog, and Musk’s many illegitimates kids, more than 20% of the time. 70%? Maybe 80%? 🤷🏻‍♂️
Just so you know, if McCains dad and granddad weren't admirals, he'd have never been a fighter pilot. he was way down his class and then didn't live up to fighter jock standards
 

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Correct because we are Moderate. So anything left of us is usually is a Communist turd. There's numerous threads pointing out what Democrats are fighting and voting for. Several RINOS have joined them.
First, I’m shocked by your comments about McCain but OK.

As for you being a MODERATE?? Say WHAT?? lol You’re as much a Moderate, as I am DJT. 😂 Hilarious.
 

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Just so you know, if McCains dad and granddad weren't admirals, he'd have never been a fighter pilot. he was way down his class and then didn't live up to fighter jock standards
Please provide any facts to support your claims. Sounds a lot like spurious speculation to me.
 

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Please provide any facts to support your claims. Sounds a lot like spurious speculation to me.
I've read up on it, you? He was near last in his class, you don't get to be a fighter jock that way. It's speculated he accidently fired off a rocket that nearly sank the Forrestal. He was not a good pilot. His dad and granddad were admirals and that's how he got what he did. Just like some of the wives of senators end up getting the seat if the senator dies.
 

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Please provide any facts to support your claims. Sounds a lot like spurious speculation to me.
There is unsubstantiated speculation that originated by the Obama campaign that McCain was at fault for the Forrestal. That’s not accurate as I’ve studied that incident.

That said, McCain was a Navy pilot in the 60s and 70s that was very connected. He was a bit wild, but he wasn’t by any means alone in that regard.

I’ve spent some time with an individual who was in the Hilton with him.
 

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I've read up on it, you? He was near last in his class, you don't get to be a fighter jock that way. It's speculated he accidently fired off a rocket that nearly sank the Forrestal. He was not a good pilot. His dad and granddad were admirals and that's how he got what he did. Just like some of the wives of senators end up getting the seat if the senator dies.
No I have not, but I’m not the one making the accusations. Show me some facts, I have never heard such things.
 

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I've read up on it, you? He was near last in his class, you don't get to be a fighter jock that way. It's speculated he accidently fired off a rocket that nearly sank the Forrestal. He was not a good pilot. His dad and granddad were admirals and that's how he got what he did. Just like some of the wives of senators end up getting the seat if the senator dies.
Airport, that’s not accurate. His plane was almost hit by the rocket that was fired.
 

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Please provide any facts to support your claims. Sounds a lot like spurious speculation to me.

There's old threads on the subject. Go look for them. At this point nobody cares about him anymore. He was also involved in **** as a Senator that are being investigated that others were involved in. Because Trump has a heart you might not get to see that information on him. But everyone else here already knows about it. Let the man rest in peace.
 

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Please provide any facts to support your claims. Sounds a lot like spurious speculation to me.
McCain has never been asked to explain why he claims that the Zuni rocket struck his plane. If a bomb or bombs subsequently fell from McCain’s plane as he has said, it seems to strongly suggests pilot error, and if a bomb or bombs did not fall from his plane, it suggests rash disregard for important facts in his accounts of the accident.
This was pasted from an article and @DvlDog4WVU it wouldn't be the first admirals son who was protected
 

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Airport, that’s not accurate. His plane was almost hit by the rocket that was fired.
His dad and granddad were admirals, I've read reports that claimed there were wet starts which he was known to do. I jjust pasted something about his claim. Wouldn't be the first white wash report. He was a poor student
 

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His dad and granddad were admirals, I've read reports that claimed there were wet starts which he was known to do. I jjust pasted something about his claim. Wouldn't be the first white wash report. He was a poor student

I remember his funeral 6 years ago.



 

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I remember his funeral 6 years ago.




What I remember him for is his finger up the American's people ******* when he voted thumbs down to repel the Affordable Care Act. He put his hatred over Trump over the American people. **** him and his daughter
 

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@Cheers

You spend a lot of time attacking Trump, that’s your prerogative to do. But I do have a question for you.

How many lies about Trump by the media and establishment politicians do you have to swallow before you start holding them to the same standards you hold Trump to? Like when do you begin to question their motivations, their behavior, their character? When do you get pissed off about it?

For me, it started with the “Very Fine People” and solidified with the Russian Collusion stuff. I called that one out as ******** shortly after it was alleged and damn near nailed it exactly by the time the dust settled. I mean, Legacy media destroyed its integrity over the last 8-9 years. Every major story, and not just about Trump has been complete ********. Once you recognize that, you kind of have to go back and reevaluate your view on everything. I’ve done that, but you seem completely unphased by being lied to over and over. Just in this thread on the “Muslim Ban” as an example.
 

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@Cheers

You spend a lot of time attacking Trump, that’s your prerogative to do. But I do have a question for you.

How many lies about Trump by the media and establishment politicians do you have to swallow before you start holding them to the same standards you hold Trump to? Like when do you begin to question their motivations, their behavior, their character? When do you get pissed off about it?

For me, it started with the “Very Fine People” and solidified with the Russian Collusion stuff. I called that one out as ******** shortly after it was alleged and damn near nailed it exactly by the time the dust settled. I mean, Legacy media destroyed its integrity over the last 8-9 years. Evelim major story, and not just about Trump has been complete ********. Once you recognize that, you kind of have to go back and reevaluate your view on everything. I’ve done that, but you seem completely unphased by being lied to over and over. Just in this thread on the “Muslim Ban” as an example.
I think we should ban all immigration from Muslim countries
 

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I think we should ban all immigration from Muslim countries
That’s fine. I don’t agree, and that’s ok. I’ve no issues with moderate Muslims. I’ve spent waaaaaay too much of my life in the ME, the overwhelming vast majority are just normal folks.
 

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What I remember him for is his finger up the American's people ******* when he voted thumbs down to repel the Affordable Care Act. He put his hatred over Trump over the American people. **** him and his daughter

That was hardly the worst thing he did. Do you want to dig him up so we can put him on trial then execute him?
 

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@Cheers

You spend a lot of time attacking Trump, that’s your prerogative to do. But I do have a question for you.

How many lies about Trump by the media and establishment politicians do you have to swallow before you start holding them to the same standards you hold Trump to? Like when do you begin to question their motivations, their behavior, their character? When do you get pissed off about it?

For me, it started with the “Very Fine People” and solidified with the Russian Collusion stuff. I called that one out as ******** shortly after it was alleged and damn near nailed it exactly by the time the dust settled. I mean, Legacy media destroyed its integrity over the last 8-9 years. Every major story, and not just about Trump has been complete ********. Once you recognize that, you kind of have to go back and reevaluate your view on everything. I’ve done that, but you seem completely unphased by being lied to over and over. Just in this thread on the “Muslim Ban” as an example.
Outstanding post, and brilliant example of a typical mind numbed Leftist accusing others of what he does! @DvlDog4WVU with the spot on post that just.....


 

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One of the posters who impresses me the most on here is @DvlDog4WVU . He just has this way of cutting through all the BS from the Left, and he simply matter-of-fact like dismantles their various specious arguments. Of course he's not the only one on here who does it. @Gunny46 , @WVU82 @ThePunish-EER , @roadtrasheer and others also do a great job systematically dissecting the Left and exposing their bogus subterfuge.

However I'm always impressed with how @DvlDog4WVU just point-by-point deconstructs their pre-packaged media fed narratives, and leaves them naked and exposed as the fake *** charlatans they typically are. Perfect example is post # 188, just brilliant how he calmly and methodically pointed that Leftist accuser's finger right back into both of his phony 2 faces!

I wish I could do that. I get so frustrated with them I usually just end up mocking the Hell out of 'em, to keep myself from cursing them out. That's not really effective or even necessary as @DvlDog4WVU so eloquently displayed for us in post #188. I'm straight up admiring his literary skills as well as his mental thought processes dealing factually with these paper mache charlatans on the unrepentant Left. :rolleyes:

When you walk them into a corner and verbally command their silence because your posts just cut cut right into their pointless gut, you know you have some serious oratorical skills. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

That Dude is talented!
 

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I'm not particularly fond of Muslims but they weren't exactly that excited to be around me either. So it equals out. As long as they don't break out the Jihad or Sharia we can tolerate each other.
My neighbor is a Sunni Muslim. He's from UAE (United Arab Emirates) they like Americans and don't necessarily agree with the Jihadists and/or Shiite radicals in their Religion. He respects Trump and is thrilled with the new business deals he recently signed over there with his country.

He's a distribution manager who runs several large warehouses and he says business is/will be booming for his company. He has a very nice house, and 3 kids (all born here in the US) in College. Dude is about as "American" as you can get!
 

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That’s what I thought, you are deflecting. Well I’m not afraid to say how I feel about it. It was disgusting, disgraceful, ignorant, and disrespectful to an American HERO. 🇺🇸 Trump wouldn’t last 10 minutes in the Hanoi Hilton. So disrespectful to Senator McCain and the military as a whole.

How do you feel about Pete Hegseth firing all those Generals and Admirals? Justified?
John McCain at one time was a true American hero and deserved every form of respect.
Too many years in politics, living in the filthy rat infested world of D.C . Black mail, bribes and the need for power and control changed him . People change sometimes for better, sometimes for the worst..... some people are born pos playing the part of a white knight waiting for a opportunity.
 

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@Cheers

You spend a lot of time attacking Trump, that’s your prerogative to do. But I do have a question for you.

How many lies about Trump by the media and establishment politicians do you have to swallow before you start holding them to the same standards you hold Trump to? Like when do you begin to question their motivations, their behavior, their character? When do you get pissed off about it?

For me, it started with the “Very Fine People” and solidified with the Russian Collusion stuff. I called that one out as ******** shortly after it was alleged and damn near nailed it exactly by the time the dust settled. I mean, Legacy media destroyed its integrity over the last 8-9 years. Every major story, and not just about Trump has been complete ********. Once you recognize that, you kind of have to go back and reevaluate your view on everything. I’ve done that, but you seem completely unphased by being lied to over and over. Just in this thread on the “Muslim Ban” as an example.
Good Morning Friends. 😃 Very simply, my biggest issues with Trump are his lack of character, his lack of a moral compass, his lack of diplomacy, his economic, isolationist policies, and the perpetual lies that spew from his mouth daily. And I know all politicians stretch the truth, and will say and do most anything to get elected and stay elected, but Trump has taken it to a whole new level. Highlighted by The Big Steal where people actually lost their lives because radicals lost their fricken minds and stormed the capital. And he perpetuates those lies today even after 60+ wasteful court cases show otherwise. Oh, and let’s not forget the latest lie how Ukraine started the war with Russia. 😂 I really don’t want to get into a point by point debate but those are my biggest issues.
 

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Good Morning Friends. 😃 Very simply, my biggest issues with Trump are his lack of character, his lack of a moral compass, his lack of diplomacy, his economic, isolationist policies, and the perpetual lies that spew from his mouth daily. And I know all politicians stretch the truth, and will say and do most anything to get elected and stay elected, but Trump has taken it to a whole new level. Highlighted by The Big Steal where people actually lost their lives because radicals lost their fricken minds and stormed the capital. And he perpetuates those lies today even after 60+ wasteful court cases show otherwise. Oh, and let’s not forget the latest lie how Ukraine started the war with Russia. 😂 I really don’t want to get into a point by point debate but those are my biggest issues.

At no point in your rambling, did you answer dvldogs question.
 

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Good Morning Friends. 😃 Very simply, my biggest issues with Trump are his lack of character, his lack of a moral compass, his lack of diplomacy, his economic, isolationist policies, and the perpetual lies that spew from his mouth daily. And I know all politicians stretch the truth, and will say and do most anything to get elected and stay elected, but Trump has taken it to a whole new level. Highlighted by The Big Steal where people actually lost their lives because radicals lost their fricken minds and stormed the capital. And he perpetuates those lies today even after 60+ wasteful court cases show otherwise. Oh, and let’s not forget the latest lie how Ukraine started the war with Russia. 😂 I really don’t want to get into a point by point debate but those are my biggest issues.
I don’t blame you for not wanting to get into a point by point debate.