“Conservatives,” meaning Republicans, block Trump’s One Big Beautiful Bill. 😲

[TarHeelEer]

I told you it had no chance of passing.

It is comical to see all the hand-wringing over that bill

Do you believe the Bill is DOA and off the table?

I don't know if it will pass or not, at least not as it was billed now. To get the spending cuts necessary will be painful, no group will like it. No, granny's Medicaid won't be taken, but the Obamacare/Medicaid expansion has to go. Able bodied adults without kids need to be working,
not collecting fed funds and sitting on their ***. Sorry @moe, get a job.

All of the DOGE cuts need to be included. SALT should not be on the table.

All of that and we're still not balanced, but much closer than we would have been. It buys us time.

This is why I'm ok with a new tariff tax of around 10%. That might put us in the black.

Musk still needs his capital gains taxed at extreme rates.

 

[Cheers]

Ya'll know I lied about Joe too...to protect my own drunk ***!

Yes Kamala...we know!

I wore that girl out!

Man, you have backtracked into the childish, mocking, name calling Trump mode. C’mon bro, you’re better than that.

 

[TarHeelEer]

However, the economy was improving and inflation had come down, other economic indicators were improving, the stock market was at an all time high, so there were some good things happening.

Lipstick on a pig.

If we don't get our debt under control right now, and start getting the interest payment to be less, we cease to exist as a country within the next couple of decades.

 

[roadtrasheer]

That is not correct at all. I voted for Harris as a vote AGAINST Trump. Not FOR Harris. The lesser of two poor choices. Yes, anyone with half a brain could see Joe was not well and not capable of running this country. Had he stayed in the race I would have voted for Trump. As I mentioned, I vote for whoever I believe is the best candidate to run this country. And Joe is not well so instead of continuing to mock and insult him, why not have sympathy and compassion for him and pray for him? And I find it COMICAL that you criticize him for lying when Trump can’t spew one sentence without lying or hyperbole. Remember The Big Steal? The biggest LIE in the history of this country that caused police officers their lives and resulted in huge amounts of damage to our sacred capital, the symbol of democracy. So please don’t talk to me about lying. Donny lies the moment he opens his mouth. And his name calling and labeling of those he disagrees with are the actions of a spoiled, ignorant, immature CHILD.

Lmao ...Harris who covered Biden's decline who couldn't win a primary against a school of dead fish , more word salads and a California socialists is better than Trump.
Go ahead keep going I'm loving this ....maybe you would rather another Afghanistan pull out .
Now that we have proof positive Biden was completely brain dead his whole presidency and every democrat who knew it and the media knew lied straight to your face about it , do you still support them ?
They are the same people who lied abouts Russian collusion and the vaccine being shoved down your throats

 

[Cheers]

Lipstick on a pig.

If we don't get our debt under control right now, and start getting the interest payment to be less, we cease to exist as a country within the next couple of decades.

Agree. And that’s what CONGRESS is for. That’s NOT the job of the President. They need to do THEIR job.

 

[atlkvb]

Man, you have backtracked into the childish, mocking, name calling Trump mode. C’mon bro, you’re better than that.

Dude you can just drop the "guilt shaming" routine OK? You're so confused you claim you didn't know Biden was an absent minded walking corpse until that disastrous TV debate? (maybe YOU watched too much Legacy media? )

Then you have the unmitigated nerve to suggest that cacklin' Communist hand picked by the corrupt Democrat party leadership without a single delegate's vote was your better choice over Trump? 🫤

Everyone on here is laughing at you...

 

[atlkvb]

Lmao ...Harris who covered Biden's decline who couldn't win a primary against a school of dead fish , more word salads and a California socialists is better than Trump.
Go ahead keep going I'm loving this ....maybe you would rather another Afghanistan pull out .
Now that we have proof positive Biden was completely brain dead his whole presidency and every democrat who knew it and the media knew lied straight to your face about it , do you still support them ?
They are the same people who lied abouts Russian collusion and the vaccine being shoved down your throats

 

[TarHeelEer]

Agree. And that’s what CONGRESS is for. That’s NOT the job of the President. They need to do THEIR job.

The president sets the direction. DOGE is the best thing I've ever seen from government. It started the conversation.

 

[Cheers]

Dude you can just drop the "guilt shaming" routine OK? You're so confused you claim you didn't Biden was an absent minded walking corpse until that debate!? (maybe YOU watched too much Legacy media? )

Then you have the unmitigated nerve to suggest that cacklin' Communist hand picked by the corrupt Democrat party leadership without a single delegate's vote was your better choice over Trump? 🫤

Everyone on here is laughing at you...

Wow!! No response necessary. You are hanging yourself.

 

[Cheers]

The president sets the direction. DOGE is the best thing I've ever seen from government. It started the conversation.

Deflection at its best. As they say, facts just get in the way of a good story. It all comes back to Biden. I understand now.

 

[TarHeelEer]

Deflection at its best. As they say, facts just get in the way of a good story. It all comes back to Biden. I understand now.

If Democrats didn't act like they had daddy's credit card everytime they're in power, we wouldn't be in this position either, shut up unless you have ideas to fix your problems.

Can't blame just Obama/Biden. Trump spent us $6 trillion in the hole without covid, $8 trillion with.

If you only read my posts from today you'll know that's not true.

 

[atlkvb]

Wow!! No response necessary. You are hanging yourself.

Correct...no response necessary because there isn't one. Stop posting me OK? If you don't like me mocking that half brain dead corpse or that cacklin Communist drunk...do like @moe and put me on ignore. Just stop posting your "guilt shame" crap to me, and better yet stop posting me altogether.

Clearly you're too fragile for the irreverent humor that passes as commentary on here.

None of us have DJT.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

However, the economy was improving and inflation had come down, other economic indicators were improving, the stock market was at an all time high, so there were some good things happening.

Inflation directly attributable to the administrations policies. Great, they broke the **** out of it, they don’t get credit slowing down the train they sent off the tracks. Absurd thinking on your part.

Trump, on the other hand, continued to LIE to the American people to spew hate and discontent and DIVIDE this country like never before seen since possibly the civil war and he continues to do it today.

How does one divide when one has a majority of the popular vote and increase vote totals from the previous election? Wouldn’t it be more accurate to say the media and left divide the country?

He will say and do ANYTHING to get elected. He panders to the extremist points of view, aka MAGA.

Extremist? He’s a populist. He increased % across all demographics except black women. Is it extremist when over half the country voted for the man? I’d argue, you being in the minority is the extremist view.

He insults our allies and praises our enemies. He is one of the biggest scoundrels ever to hold office.

He doesn’t pander and allow our “allies” to take advantage of us. He hold our allies accountable.

that’s voting for a man who supports coal and completely disregards science and the FACT that global warming is a REAL phenomenon.

There is a difference between acknowledging global warming, and throwing trillions of dollars at a problem that can’t be solved without China, India, and Brazil getting on board. It’s otherwise just a transfer of the budget to Dem backed NGOs. The most optimistic estimates had a net 0 impact on the climate.


I’ve read all of your posts since coming here. I don’t say this to be insulting. It’s evident from your posts you’re a traditional consumer of legacy media and only to the point of just being able to parrot the sound bites and the editorialized views of the establishment bureaucracy. You reall aren’t a serious person when it comes to politics and actually understanding the root cause of problems or the extent of them.

 

[Gunny46]

Lol

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

I don't know if it will pass or not, at least not as it was billed now. To get the spending cuts necessary will be painful, no group will like it. No, granny's Medicaid won't be taken, but the Obamacare/Medicaid expansion has to go. Able bodied adults without kids need to be working,
not collecting fed funds and sitting on their ***. Sorry @moe, get a job.

All of the DOGE cuts need to be included. SALT should not be on the table.

All of that and we're still not balanced, but much closer than we would have been. It buys us time.

This is why I'm ok with a new tariff tax of around 10%. That might put us in the black.

Musk still needs his capital gains taxed at extreme rates.

I agree with everything but the last part.

 

[Gunny46]

 

[30CAT]

This guy lost me at pro choice and he voted for kamala. Pro choice is the belief that it's ok to take a human life to fix your own bad choices. Then he goes down the rabbit hole of rape and incest ....unbelievable... he still believes the same politicians policies that has gotten us 37 TRILLION DOLLARS in debt ....doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. If Trump is wrong and on some things I believe he is , but he is atleast going after waist, fraud and abuse that's a great start .

Helluva post!

 

[Gunny46]

 

[Gunny46]

 

[ThePunish-EER]

I agree that Harris was NOT a good candidate. She completely FAILED on her border management. She had MANY flaws. However, the economy was improving and inflation had come down, other economic indicators were improving, the stock market was at an all time high, so there were some good things happening. Trump, on the other hand, continued to LIE to the American people to spew hate and discontent and DIVIDE this country like never before seen since possibly the civil war and he continues to do it today. He will say and do ANYTHING to get elected. He panders to the extremist points of view, aka MAGA. He insults our allies and praises our enemies. He is one of the biggest scoundrels ever to hold office. And I understand why West Virginians prefer Trump because he’s pro-coal/energy. And that’s good for the state. But it wasn’t too long ago that West Virginia was the bluest of the blue states under Byrd. And it’s still one of the largest welfare states in the country. People vote with their wallets and today, for West Virginia, that’s voting for a man who supports coal and completely disregards science and the FACT that global warming is a REAL phenomenon.

Dedpoops24/7 and/or sammyk (whichever you are), what exactly are the Trump lies? Please provide them

 

[Gunny46]

 

[ThePunish-EER]

Agree. And that’s what CONGRESS is for. That’s NOT the job of the President. They need to do THEIR job.

smh…please, educate yourself. If we’re going to debate, you must come prepared. It is the president’s job. The executive branch is one of the 3 powers of government, along with Legislative and judicial.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/government/

 

[Cheers]

Correct...no response necessary because there isn't one. Stop posting me OK? If you don't like me mocking that half brain dead corpse or that cacklin Communist drunk...do like @moe and put me on ignore. Just stop posting your "guilt shame" crap to me, and better yet stop posting me altogether.

Clearly you're too fragile for the irreverent humor that passes as commentary on here.

None of us have DJT.

Let me ask you a question and again please be honest. Did you vote for Robert Byrd? If the answer was yes, why? He was one of the biggest porkers in modern history. Also, if you said yes, then apparently the abortion issue wasn’t as important to you as it apparently is now because it was enacted in 1973. Also, you have a democrat, President Kennedy, to thank for the roads and highways in West Virginia. And for many of the social programs that has kept West Virginia alive. If you’re honest with yourself, you are likely supporting Trump for one major issue, jobs for West Virginians. More coal production, equals more jobs and greater prosperity for the state. And that’s ok. But on the same token, you are conveniently overlooking the many character and moral FLAWS of this president.

 

[Gunny46]

Let me ask you a question and again please be honest. Did you vote for Robert Byrd? If the answer was yes, why? He was one of the biggest porkers in modern history. Also, if you said yes, then apparently the abortion issue wasn’t as important to you as it apparently is now because it was enacted in 1973. Also, you have a democrat, President Kennedy, to thank for the roads and highways in West Virginia. And for many of the social programs that has kept West Virginia alive. If you’re honest with yourself, you are likely supporting Trump for one major issue, jobs for West Virginians. More coal production, equals more jobs and greater prosperity for the state. And that’s ok. But on the same token, you are conveniently overlooking the many character and moral FLAWS of this president.

You voted for Robert Byrd. Did you attend clan meetings with him?

 

[ThePunish-EER]

Let me ask you a question and again please be honest. Did you vote for Robert Byrd? If the answer was yes, why? He was one of the biggest porkers in modern history. Also, if you said yes, then apparently the abortion issue wasn’t as important to you as it apparently is now because it was enacted in 1973. Also, you have a democrat, President Kennedy, to thank for the roads and highways in West Virginia. And for many of the social programs that has kept West Virginia alive. If you’re honest with yourself, you are likely supporting Trump for one major issue, jobs for West Virginians. More coal production, equals more jobs and greater prosperity for the state. And that’s ok. But on the same token, you are conveniently overlooking the many character and moral FLAWS of this president.

Again, this is not about party. It’s about policy. Trump appeals to the majority of Americans because he is the first president in decades who listened to the American people. While everyone else listened to the party and global interests. You’re not gonna beat Trump on these issues because he’s doing what’s best for the United States and the American citizens. Trump represent’s the forgotten middle class. Clinton, Bush, Obama, Biden, have all ignored us for decades. Worrying about foreign interests is not why we elected them. We elected them to represent us, not illegal immigrants and foreign interests. And no, I didn’t vote for Byrd. Social programs would not be needed on such a magnitude if the federal and state governments had done their jobs the last 70 years. Whose fault is this? It’s ours. We collectively allowed by voting lazy and uninformed.

 

[Gunny46]

Again, this is not about party. It’s about policy. Trump appeals to the majority of Americans because he is the first president in decades who listened to the American people. While everyone else listened to the party and global interests. You’re not gonna beat Trump on these issues because he’s doing what’s best for the United States and the American citizens. Trump represent’s the forgotten middle class. Clinton, Bush, Obama, Biden, have all ignored us for decades. Worrying about foreign interests is not why we elected them. We elected them to represent us, not illegal immigrants and foreign interests. And no, I didn’t vote for Byrd. Social programs would not be needed on such a magnitude if the federal and state governments had done their jobs the last 70 years. Whose fault is this? It’s ours. We collectively allowed by voting lazy and uninformed.

Imagine thinking Social Programs and not jobs should be leading the way in West Virginia. Thinking like that probably has him confused on why WV is a Republican State now and why 70% of West Virginia voted for Trump.

Byrd couldn't get elected dog catcher today.

 

[Cheers]

The president sets the direction. DOGE is the best thing I've ever seen from government. It started the conversation.

The IDEA and PLAN for DOGE was great, improve government efficiency and cut wasteful spending. Spot On. The IMPLEMENTATION of DOGE was an utter disaster and here’s why. Immediately firing all probationary workers, immediately kills your pipeline of new and mostly younger talent. No new ideas, so it’s business as usual. Secondly, the Deferred Retirement Program or DRP. Paying federal workers months of pay to simply leave government. Ok, fine. It’s all about cutting the workforce. So what did the best and brightest employees do? They naturally took the money and ran, completely logical behavior, I would have done the same, and found good, high-paying jobs elsewhere. Good for them. So what are we left with? We are left with the middle management, less talented workforce, who DIDN’T have options. We cut the young, got rid of our Best and Brightest, and are left with those that are less efficient, less talented all in the name of cost cutting. Congratulations, you have made a bad situation even worse. And given that the entire federal workforce is only roughly 3 million people, the impact of these cuts is probably in the neighborhood of 1%. But it makes for a splashy headline which is what Trump is all about. So I hope everyone enjoys their smaller, less talented, less efficient government workforce.

 

[Gunny46]

The IDEA and PLAN for DOGE was great, improve government efficiency and cut wasteful spending. Spot On. The IMPLEMENTATION of DOGE was an utter disaster and here’s why. Immediately firing all probationary workers, immediately kills your pipeline of new and mostly younger talent. No new ideas, so it’s business as usual. Secondly, the Deferred Retirement Program or DRP. Paying federal workers months of pay to simply leave government. Ok, fine. It’s all about cutting the workforce. So what did the best and brightest employees do? They naturally took the money and ran, completely logical behavior, I would have done the same, and found good, high-paying jobs elsewhere. Good for them. So what are we left with? We are left with the middle management, less talented workforce, who DIDN’T have options. We cut the young, got rid of our Best and Brightest, and are left with those that are less efficient, less talented all in the name of cost cutting. Congratulations, you have made a bad situation even worse. And given that the entire federal workforce is only roughly 3 million people, the impact of these cuts is probably in the neighborhood of 1%. But it makes for a splashy headline which is what Trump is all about. So I hope everyone enjoys their smaller, less talented, less efficient government workforce.

Damn you should run for President with all your brilliance on how you would run DOGE. Obviously the way it was done in the past was far superior.

 

[Cheers]

Again, this is not about party. It’s about policy. Trump appeals to the majority of Americans because he is the first president in decades who listened to the American people. While everyone else listened to the party and global interests. You’re not gonna beat Trump on these issues because he’s doing what’s best for the United States and the American citizens. Trump represent’s the forgotten middle class. Clinton, Bush, Obama, Biden, have all ignored us for decades. Worrying about foreign interests is not why we elected them. We elected them to represent us, not illegal immigrants and foreign interests. And no, I didn’t vote for Byrd. Social programs would not be needed on such a magnitude if the federal and state governments had done their jobs the last 70 years. Whose fault is this? It’s ours. We collectively allowed by voting lazy and uninformed.

You’re conveniently dodging the question. Did you support Byrd? Did you support Kennedy? Forget about their party. Did you believe in and support their policies and vote for them if you were old enough to vote? If so, why?

 

[Gunny46]

Speaking of the Kennedy family.

 

[Cheers]

Damn you should run for President with all your brilliance on how you would run DOGE. Obviously the way it was done in the past was far superior.

I’m not interested in running for office. Too much BS. What did I say that isn’t true? DOGE had potential to do some good things had they done even the most minute amount of research. Instead, they chose splashy headlines, chainsaw-wielding, pandering public spectacles. All the while demonizing a federal workforce who were only following the LAW.

 

[Riverguideer]

To the Donny Fan Boys and MAGA Cult Members I Probably Do. And I’m ok with that.

You sound like a pedophile

 

[ThePunish-EER]

You’re conveniently dodging the question. Did you support Byrd? Did you support Kennedy? Forget about their party. Did you believe in and support their policies and vote for them if you were old enough to vote? If so, why?

Try reading my post before responding. I said no to Byrd. I am not old enough to have voted for Kennedy. Again, it’s about policy. It’s not about personality or perceived flaws in character. Do you think Trump wants to be your buddy or my buddy? No. He’s there to do a job and help the country. A vibrant capable workforce is best for the country. Are you really trying to tell us social programs are what we need to thrive? A welfare state is what is best for the United States? That’s just absolutely ignorant. Let me guess, you still live with your parents and/or a college student? Or you’re a teacher or professor? Or you’re on government assistance? Be honest.

 

[Gunny46]

I’m not interested in running for office. Too much BS. What did I say that isn’t true? DOGE had potential to do some good things had they done even the most minute amount of research. Instead, they chose splashy headlines, chainsaw-wielding, pandering public spectacles. All the while demonizing a federal workforce who were only following the LAW.

Doge has been operating for about two months you clown. It's just getting going and you don't know everything they have found yet with Fraud. Just because they haven't made it public yet doesn't mean their won't be more criminal investigations.

 

[Cheers]

You sound like a pedophile

Oh please, that response deserves no response. Pathetic, really.

 

[Gunny46]

You sound like a pedophile

There's a Santinist Cult of them running around the internet currently. Apparently they like asking for pics.





NEW: Working with
@TheJusticeDept

@AGPamBondi
, I can now report the FBI and our partners have arrested two individuals on charges of operating an international child exploitation enterprise.This is a significant case in our renewed mission to crack down on child sexual exploitation and abuse — heinous crimes that no child or parent should ever be faced with. We believe these two individuals are leaders within a violent online network known as 764, which often targets minors. They will now face justice. Thank you to all who assisted. This FBI will never stop working to pursue, find, and bring to justice those who harm innocent children.

 

[Gunny46]

 

[TarHeelEer]

The IDEA and PLAN for DOGE was great, improve government efficiency and cut wasteful spending. Spot On. The IMPLEMENTATION of DOGE was an utter disaster and here’s why.

Au contraire

Immediately firing all probationary workers, immediately kills your pipeline of new and mostly younger talent. No new ideas, so it’s business as usual. Secondly, the Deferred Retirement Program or DRP. Paying federal workers months of pay to simply leave government. Ok, fine. It’s all about cutting the workforce.

Correct

So what did the best and brightest employees do? They naturally took the money and ran, completely logical behavior, I would have done the same, and found good, high-paying jobs elsewhere. Good for them. So what are we left with? We are left with the middle management, less talented workforce, who DIDN’T have options. We cut the young, got rid of our Best and Brightest, and are left with those that are less efficient, less talented all in the name of cost cutting. Congratulations, you have made a bad situation even worse. And given that the entire federal workforce is only roughly 3 million people, the impact of these cuts is probably in the neighborhood of 1%. But it makes for a splashy headline which is what Trump is all about. So I hope everyone enjoys their smaller, less talented, less efficient government workforce.

That is exactly what is necessary. You don't seem to think what I'm saying about the end of the country as we know it is a near-term pending disaster. Imagine that any dollar bill you might have, you might as well burn it for warmth, because that will be what it is worth.

I don't enjoy that they're less talented and less efficient overall, however, costs must be minimized as an urgent priority. Waste, FRAUD, and ABUSE, perpetuated by members of the government on both sides of the aisle to suck as many resources from the government as they can. Doge concentrated on that as well, but you failed to mention it.

 

[atlkvb]

Let me ask you a question and again please be honest. Did you vote for Robert Byrd? If the answer was yes, why? He was one of the biggest porkers in modern history. Also, if you said yes, then apparently the abortion issue wasn’t as important to you as it apparently is now because it was enacted in 1973. Also, you have a democrat, President Kennedy, to thank for the roads and highways in West Virginia. And for many of the social programs that has kept West Virginia alive. If you’re honest with yourself, you are likely supporting Trump for one major issue, jobs for West Virginians. More coal production, equals more jobs and greater prosperity for the state. And that’s ok. But on the same token, you are conveniently overlooking the many character and moral FLAWS of this president.

I didn't grow up in West Virginia, I only attended College at WVU. I'm from New York (Buffalo where I grew up) and I've cast exactly 1 ONE Democrat vote in my entire life. I've lived in Texas, California, West Virginia (of course) and now here in Georgia where I've lived for the last 33 years.

Did you know the Democrat party was the author of Jim Crow here in the South, as well as the Party of the Ku Klux Klan of which Sen Byrd was a card carrying member?

Probably not. So here's some history for you of the Democrat party you probably have never been informed of, as well as the esteemed Robert C. Byrd .



Democrats' favorite Klan member includes selective amnesia

excerpt:
Democrats attempt to play the race card. The race card and victim politics is a key part of the election playbook for Democrats throughout America. It is therefore puzzling that one of the biggest Democratic heroes in the U.S. Senate was Robert C. Byrd from West Virginia, who not only was in the Ku Klux Klan but presided over the Council of the Centaurs as Exalted Cyclops when he was in his mid-20s. During the time that Byrd played a leadership role in the Klan, the KKK was both anti-black and anti-Jewish.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Byrd

excerpt:
In the early 1940s, Byrd recruited 150 of his friends and associates to create a new chapter of the Ku Klux Klan in Sophia, West Virginia.[12][16]

As a young boy, Byrd had witnessed his adoptive father walk in a Klan parade in Matoaka, West Virginia.[27] While growing up, Byrd had heard that "the Klan defended the American way of life against racemixers and communists".[28] He then wrote to Joel L. Baskin, Grand Dragon of the Realm of Virginia, West Virginia, Maryland, and Delaware, who responded that he would come and organize a chapter when Byrd had recruited 150 people.[27]

It was Baskin who told Byrd, "You have a talent for leadership, Bob … The country needs young men like you in the leadership of the nation". Byrd later recalled, "Suddenly lights flashed in my mind! Someone important had recognized my abilities!

 

[Cheers]

Au contraire

Correct

That is exactly what is necessary. You don't seem to think what I'm saying about the end of the country as we know it is a near-term pending disaster. Imagine that any dollar bill you might have, you might as well burn it for warmth, because that will be what it is worth.

I don't enjoy that they're less talented and less efficient overall, however, costs must be minimized as an urgent priority. Waste, FRAUD, and ABUSE, perpetuated by members of the government on both sides of the aisle to suck as many resources from the government as they can. Doge concentrated on that as well, but you failed to mention it.

I stand by EVERYTHING I wrote. Enjoy that 1% savings while reducing the federal government to an inefficient, ineffective shell. Well done. And while we’re at it, let’s tackle welfare and Medicaid. Those programs actually DO comprise a LARGE portion of the budget. Doing a quick Google search, I notice that West Virginia is #12 on the list of states with the highest welfare recipients and #5 on the list of Medicaid recipients. Maybe we should just cut West Virginia out of the budget. And before some radical, MAGA idiot jumps on me for that comment, I’m Just Joking!! I love the Mountain State. I love WVU. I go to battle for you daily. LGM