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Gmoney4WW

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No, BA wasn't that great, except in people's heads. I played on a great BA team that won state, and we beat the North Texas State champs once. They wacked us out at Regionals.

They have nice fields. They lack the population, and people don't want to train there. Sorry, sad truth. The BA team I played on didn't train there. We trained in Tulsa.

Express has a weird notion that they will recreate some kind of glory days that were never really there. They are entirely delusional.
When did you play?

Broken Arrow was just first to the party. They didn't have to do much to look like they were ahead of their time. I just thought they would evolve. Guess not. When I was playing, they just had a bigger club than everybody else, including Tulsa I believe.(mid to late 70's)
 

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When did you play?

Broken Arrow was just first to the party. They didn't have to do much to look like they were ahead of their time. I just thought they would evolve. Guess not. When I was playing, they just had a bigger club than everybody else, including Tulsa I believe.(mid to late 70's)
You are much older than me.
 

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You are much older than me.
I was 7 years old in '76 when I started playing. Back then and into the early 80's was the time period I was referencing. That may be the time that BA wants to return to. Some parents(grandparents) have long memories.

Go Roughnecks!!!
 

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Oof. Not a great showing today.
Question for the refs here: if a player is getting roughed up and they curse over it, then a parent chirps them from the side line and the player says something back, would you give a red card
 
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Oof. Not a great showing today.
Question for the refs here: if a player is getting roughed up and they curse over it, then a parent chirps them from the side line and the player says something back, would you give a red card
Depends on the situation. More likely to dismiss the parent.
 

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I was 7 years old in '76 when I started playing. Back then and into the early 80's was the time period I was referencing. That may be the time that BA wants to return to. Some parents(grandparents) have long memories.

Go Roughnecks!!!
Good luck. Ain't happening. BA has always seemed a bit off to me in terms of how they carry themselves.

When I was playing, many on my team didn't know basic things about Tulsa.
 

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Oof. Not a great showing today.
Question for the refs here: if a player is getting roughed up and they curse over it, then a parent chirps them from the side line and the player says something back, would you give a red card
Red card to parent ? I’m not giving anything to the girl other than telling her to knock it off. Parents have zero business talking to players…ever
 

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Oof. Not a great showing today.
Question for the refs here: if a player is getting roughed up and they curse over it, then a parent chirps them from the side line and the player says something back, would you give a red card
SG Navy is a legit team. No shame is losing 5-0. They would finish top half Texas league. From multiple people…u guys are improved from last year.
 
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Red card to parent ? I’m not giving anything to the girl other than telling her to knock it off. Parents have zero business talking to players…ever
I might not have the right impression, but I didn't get the feeling that this was a pattern for the player, or that it had even happened twice. A yellow card would be suspect in this situation. A red card is not even appropriate.
 

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I might not have the right impression, but I didn't get the feeling that this was a pattern for the player, or that it had even happened twice. A yellow card would be suspect in this situation. A red card is not even appropriate
Kids say things in the heat of competition. Talk to the kid and let her know any further cursing will result in a card. I do tend to be very pro player though
 

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Oof. Not a great showing today.
Question for the refs here: if a player is getting roughed up and they curse over it, then a parent chirps them from the side line and the player says something back, would you give a red card
Which club do you play tomorrow?
 

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well my daughter got a red for chirping back at the parent lol
I like how you don't define who the parent was. :ROFLMAO: Your daughter must have found a really deep, dark blue in her chirp back! :whistle::coffee:😇🤬 I would have pulled out my sapphire blue credit card on her.
 
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well my daughter got a red for chirping back at the parent lol
Wasn’t it two yellows which equals a red? First for F bombing the opponent then F bombing the parents when they chirped at her for the first F bomb? I personally would have just given a yellow but I can see how the official viewed it as two separate infractions. Like I said above…give the players a little leeway for what they say during the heat of play. Directing an F bomb at someone on the field or sideline will almost always result in a card from my experience
 
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Wasn’t it two yellows which equals a red? First for F bombing the opponent then F bombing the parents when they chirped at her for the first F bomb? I personally would have just given a yellow but I can see how the official viewed it as two separate infractions. Like I said above…give the players a little leeway for what they say during the heat of play. Directing an F bomb at someone on the field or sideline will almost always result in a card from my experience

she didn’t say the f word according to her. She did say the b word
 

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she didn’t say the f word according to her. She did say the b word
Gotcha . I was just relaying what several of the parents who were on the sideline had told me. Like I told me daughter when she started ECNL play after she got a yellow and had to come out of the game. The game is very physical. Girls will get under your skin even to the extent you might believe they are being dirty. Take care of it with your play. They are all learning about what competitive soccer is at this point. Good luck today against KCA. Cheering for you guys
 
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Let's be clear. Both TSC and WSA outside of 1 or 2 teams won't compete in their leagues. (GA, NL, RL Texas, FRONTIER) The problem isn't getting better. Energy, FC Dallas, Sting and other ECNL clubs are the winners. Let's see how many teams finish with a winning league record in any of these 4 leagues. With Greenwood trying to start girls it will get even more diluted.
 
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Let's be clear. Both TSC and WSA outside of 1 or 2 teams won't compete in their leagues. (GA, NL, RL Texas, FRONTIER) The problem isn't getting better. Energy, FC Dallas, Sting and other ECNL clubs are the winners. Let's see how many teams finish with a winning league record in any of these 4 leagues. With Greenwood trying to start girls it will get even more diluted.
Agree. We need ONE top level competitive club in the Tulsa market. That club needs to keep the best girls playing local and not in Dallas, OKC or KC. I just don’t see that in the cards in the foreseeable future. ECNL will give WSA some time to develop their program but not forever. I’m not terribly optimistic.
 

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Agree. We need ONE top level competitive club in the Tulsa market. That club needs to keep the best girls playing local and not in Dallas, OKC or KC. I just don’t see that in the cards in the foreseeable future. ECNL will give WSA some time to develop their program but not forever. I’m not terribly optimistic.
I agree.

FC Wichita is very upset they didn't get the NL bid that went to WSA. They are the same distance from Edmond. They have top notch facilities and their boys already have NL. Depth is one of the biggest problems. Even the TSC 13's starting 11 can compete against anyone but we don't have 16 players. You have injuries (like we currently do) and you have to let the subs play. When FC Dallas/Solar/Sting subs they are subbing in kids that will play D1 soccer. I saw the Energy teams this weekend with tons of Tulsa area girls.

Going to be an interesting next 10 months. Get your popcorn and sit back and enjoy!!!
 

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No, BA wasn't that great, except in people's heads. I played on a great BA team that won state, and we beat the North Texas State champs once. They wacked us out at Regionals.

They have nice fields. They lack the population, and people don't want to train there. Sorry, sad truth. The BA team I played on didn't train there. We trained in Tulsa.

Express has a weird notion that they will recreate some kind of glory days that were never really there. They are entirely delusional.
They want to recreate the glory days but they don't want to have kids paying for it. Their whole premise is competitive soccer at rec soccer fees and think they can draw in kids who can play whose parents don't want to pay a year's worth of private college tuition for their kid to play soccer. They're told it's competitive soccer and that's all they need to know. Problem is most of these kids are being coached by Rec+ coaches at best (not all, there are a few who are good coaches who don't want to deal with the admins at TSC or Blitz or WSA). The quality of play is not very good overall. And they don't necessarily do the right thing by the players all the time. I know there is a U14 girl playing on a boys team out there. She always played on the boys teams pre 11v11 when she was typically bigger and faster than most of the boys. But that's about to change and I, for the life of me, cannot figure out why Express won't tell the girl, her parents, and her coach that she needs to move to one of the girls' teams where personally, I think she would be a dominant presence on their back line (she's a defender and really pretty good...if she moved to one of the bigger clubs, I think she'd really blossom into an excellent player).
 

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Oof. Not a great showing today.
Question for the refs here: if a player is getting roughed up and they curse over it, then a parent chirps them from the side line and the player says something back, would you give a red card
Depends on what was said. And removing the parent from the sideline would also be appropriate. For me, it is never appropriate for a parent (or even an opposing coach) to address a player that is not yours. Hell, we had a BA Express coach shove one of my son's teammates at Blitz during a shoving scrum after a brutal foul by an Express player. 5 reds in this game, one to the coach for the shove. (This is the infamous game where the ref told both teams at half time that if you touch another player he was likely calling it a foul because the temp of the game ad risen during the first half and you could see it getting ready to boil over. Ref did a great job trying to keep things cool and this last play occurred with about 4 minutes left, Blitz winning 1-0 and really doing a good job of keeping the ball away from Express...and an Express player just had enough).

As a ref, I don't tolerate parents trash talking other players, I don't tolerate coaches saying anything to opposing players, and heck, I don't really tolerate coaches being abusive towards their own players (did you know a coach or a teammate can be carded for abusive behavior towards their team/teammates?)

I should get some games this coming weekend at Beat the Heat. Apparently they've really altered the schedules with games starting at 7am, playing 30 min halves, no games between 1pm-5pm, and then picking back up from 5pm-9pm. I've heard they've taken fewer teams as well to accommodate the scheduling. I'm also thinking they may be playing a full slate of 3 game slots on Friday to get some more games in.
 

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Kids say things in the heat of competition. Talk to the kid and let her know any further cursing will result in a card. I do tend to be very pro player though
Refs understand the difference between cursing at themselves for screwing something up or a poor play and a player cursing another player. Again it depends on what they said. If they say something along the lines of "Shut the f--- up" then yeah, I'm probably pulling them aside, telling them to watch the language directed at others, and to also let them know I'll handle the parent situation. Right now, the only way to handle that situation on the parent is to tell the coach to handle it and if he refuses, he gets a yellow card. Here's what I know about most coaches....they don't want to get a red card for one of their dumb a$$ parents.
 

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Gonna be interesting. These refs kept calling soft fouls, imho.
A foul is a foul. Just because someone doesn't end up on the ground does it mean it's not a foul. Just means I might let play go for a couple more seconds to see if the player is able to fully recover and continue their possession/attack. The number of clumsy fouls I've called against a defender flailing at the ball and catching a girl in the shin guard (everyone can hear the crack) causing the attacker to lose the ball despite the attacker not going to ground is too many to count. Coaches and parents always yell about it.

Now, if the standard for what was called a foul was different for each team, then we can talk. Even being a referee, I hate the standard even seeming different. Coaches will always ***** about more fouls being called on their team, which is fine until they throw in the "why are we being penalized for being aggressive?" More aggressive teams, more physical teams will always have more fouls called against them. It's a byproduct of being more aggressive and more physical and yes there may be a big disparity in the number of fouls called between the two teams. I'm not picking on your team, they're literally committing more fouls.
 

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Arkansas Comets and Sporting Blue Valley. Games were more on the scrimmage side of friendlies. 11v11 with just a center (no Ar's)

The complex also hosted NEOFC and Blitz games.
My son did a couple of the NEOFC RL games as an AR. He was frustrated with the NEOFC parents who apparently didn't understand that offside was determined by the 2nd to last defender and not just by the defender closest to the attacker they thought was offside.

He also said the NEOFC teams were not very good.
 

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Let's be clear. Both TSC and WSA outside of 1 or 2 teams won't compete in their leagues. (GA, NL, RL Texas, FRONTIER) The problem isn't getting better. Energy, FC Dallas, Sting and other ECNL clubs are the winners. Let's see how many teams finish with a winning league record in any of these 4 leagues. With Greenwood trying to start girls it will get even more diluted.

I'm choosing to be optimistic.


I also want to say, and I don't mean this as a personal attack or anything, but more of an observation.

TSC NL / Pre-NL teams / parents staying at TSC for GA was a mistake. We were NEVER going to get a consolidation while TSC had NL. WSA getting NL was probably the best moment for that consolidation to happen. It wouldn't have been pretty, it would've been uncomfortable, etc., but it should've happened. WSA would've taken nearly entire teams, if not entire teams. Aside from personal feelings about the clubs themselves, I don't understand not leave for the NL club.

That being said: I'm hoping for the best for everyone. I hope they find whatever success they want, they develop and enjoy their time playing. All those things are fleeting and short-lived, no matter where you play.