10 years from now - would you put Lemonis on the ring of honor?
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Not sure about 10 years from now, but I do know who I'd put on there before him:
Mangum
T. Allen
Bednar
Sims
Mangum
T. Allen
Bednar
Sims
If we don't, we never deserve to win in ANYTHING ever again.
Yes. He won a NC. Doesn’t matter his record after.
No. Not 10 Years From Now.
I’d do it sooner.
2031 - 10 year anniversary
Honor the Whole Team by putting the Team on the Wall of Honor and Lemonis separately as an individual
I’d do it sooner.
2031 - 10 year anniversary
Honor the Whole Team by putting the Team on the Wall of Honor and Lemonis separately as an individual
He won a natty for God's sake. The least we can do is a proper tribute like we have done for Will and Raffy.
Of course.
There is room for every head coach who wins a national title. It is very possible that none of us will ever see us win one again.
USC has the most national titles of any school, and they have one in the last 45 seasons.
There is room for every head coach who wins a national title. It is very possible that none of us will ever see us win one again.
USC has the most national titles of any school, and they have one in the last 45 seasons.
This gave me an idea. Maybe we could start up a yearly rivalry series with The Citadel (or Indiana) and play for the “Bronze Bucket”.
Just put him up there. He won a national championship, don't overthink it.
This. It will be six years from now. No players of his should still be at State. Ideally the program will be back to competing at a level that people want. Honor him and put him in the Ring of Honor. Surely any hurt feelings will have subsided by then.
He is the first and presently the ONLY coach in our 147 year history to win a NC. Yes he has to go in the ROH not just for him personally but also for the sake of MSU baseball.
The main thing I regret about allowing Lem to founder for so long is the amount of hard feelings that built up between him and the fans and the lasting effect that rift has on his legacy that in turn diminishes the legacy of the championship. We must heal that rift if for no other reason than that.
The main thing I regret about allowing Lem to founder for so long is the amount of hard feelings that built up between him and the fans and the lasting effect that rift has on his legacy that in turn diminishes the legacy of the championship. We must heal that rift if for no other reason than that.
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Yes. NC makes it deserving. Maybe will help us forget the last few years!
All he did was miss the tournament twice, something every coach outside of Pat McMahon did. How does that offset the only team national title in school history?
I'd like to find a way to put the whole 2021 team without honoring Lemonis individually. Obviously, we would acknowledge Lemonis as the coach of that team, but nothing else for him.
Otherwise, we may as well go all out and put up a statue of him.
Otherwise, we may as well go all out and put up a statue of him.
It's a NO from me, and not just in 10 years. I don't want him in there at all.
Bring him back when the '21 team is honored at whatever point that is but he doesn't deserve a Ring of Honor spot.
He had 2 real good seasons, and a mediocre one (last year).
There's a Covid season which I don't even count w/ only 16 games
And then there's 3 shi-tastic ones that ruin it all for me.
That's not Ring Of Honor Numbers when you have just as many sh1tty seasons as you did good ones
Bring him back when the '21 team is honored at whatever point that is but he doesn't deserve a Ring of Honor spot.
He had 2 real good seasons, and a mediocre one (last year).
There's a Covid season which I don't even count w/ only 16 games
And then there's 3 shi-tastic ones that ruin it all for me.
That's not Ring Of Honor Numbers when you have just as many sh1tty seasons as you did good ones
Yes. Everything and everyone associated with the 2021 team should be celebrated.
Absolutely. I’l don’t think he deserves his own statue, unless it was just part of a 2021 team-wide statue. But Ring of Honor, it’s a no brainer to honor him. He climbed the mountain no one else could climb. Without some of his key recruits and game decisions, we don’t win it all.
He is responsible for 2+ of the worst baseball seasons this 60+ year old guy remembers. There was FAR MORE CRAPTASTIC crap that happened in those 2+ seasons than just "missing the tournament". I sat in left field lounge and watched almost every one of those 2+ seasons and we major league sucked and it was so much worse than just not getting a few games in Hoover. We won't be missing this years tournament because everybody gets to go now, otherwise we would be first team out at this point in the standings
He doesn't deserve it, IMO. Us floundering around and keeping him around for longer than he should have proved that most of the reason we won early in his career here was due to the previous coaching staff rosters that they left him. He just isn't a very good baseball coach and he won't be hired as a head coach by anyone else that takes baseball seriously for the rest of his career. He deserves to be thanked for the amazing 2021 Championship, but the players on that team that he largely inherited had a lot more to do with it than he did. He is the Larry Coker of college baseball. I agree with a previous poster who said we need to honor that team as a whole and acknowledge him within that honor as the head coach of the team. Not him individually.
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I disagree. If he makes it at all, it should only be with the team. He did nothing to deserve individual recognition.
Way more than just those three from the national championship team. I've got no animosity towards him, but if a coach just automatically deserves the ring of honor for winning a national championship, then it seems like every significant contributor on that team also automatically deserves it. Ignoring Mangum, who obviously deserves it for what he did over his career, and just focusing on the championship team, you have several no brainers that go before Lemonis:
Tanner Allen
Landon Sims
Will Bednar
Rowdey Jordan.
But if you look at the all tournament team, you also had Luke Hancock, Lane Forsythe, and Logan Tanner. Logan Tanner may belong in the no brainer category. I think Luke deserves it between the national championship and being one of our top OBP guys for four years. Forsythe? I think that's probably where Lemonis makes it in before a significant player.
So did a lot of players in 2021. I don't get why he would automatically get in and not a bunch of players. Normally, the argument that the coach is a huge part of any team would be pretty persuasive, but looking at what happened after a lot of those players left, it seems clear that the players were taking care of a lot of the culture/locker room aspects of the program also.
Sooner. Next hire works out great. At 10 year natty anniversary we throw Lemonis a bash and unveil the statue. I don't care how much he ended up the Chizik of baseball he still got us a championship.
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In that same vein, Leggett and Skinner need to be added, if nothing else but for that one play.
So, like others have suggested, the whole team will probably have a spot in the ring.
Ok. Steel man it for me. Was Lemonis the problem or not? Are there other issues outside of Lemonis? If so, what are they? Will we convince a sitting head coach to take the job? If not, why not? Will the next coach miss the tournament?
No, there are not issues outside of Lemonis. He was 100 % the problem. All of the symptoms are traced back to the head coach. We had money kids would not take. Yes, we will more than likely hire a sitting head coach. If not, it will be one of the top assistant coaches in the country and it will be because most baseball coaches don’t move around very much when they have a really good job. The next coach may or may not miss the tournament, but if he is on track to miss it 3 out of 4 years once his roster is all his I wouldn’t think there would be much debate that he is a sh*tty baseball coach.
Put the man in the Ring of Honor in 2031 like Maroon Eagle said.
One thing I noticed during the between inning video showcasing the baseball history was Polk was the only coach shown. No Cohen. No Henderson. No Lemonis. I am old enough to remember when he wanted his name off the stadium.
One thing I noticed during the between inning video showcasing the baseball history was Polk was the only coach shown. No Cohen. No Henderson. No Lemonis. I am old enough to remember when he wanted his name off the stadium.
The reason I think he should be in the ROH has little to do with Chris Lemonis. It has to do with the legacy of the one and only NC in our entire history. I think putting him in helps to enhance that legacy and keeping him out diminishes it. That is just my opinion though. I understand the other side of the argument too and it is not without merit.