2025 Journeymen Classic Thread

[njsportsphan]

-Didn't catch the Adams match

-Parkins lost a close one to a 5th year senior. Should of won; lost in OT. Tough loss, had good offense and defense, but looked to lose a little steam toward the end. Had a real nice headlock that landed out of bounds. Was able to escape quickly.

-Magro was destroying a RS senior and team captain from F&M. Secured riding time, escaped twice, but ended up losing after giving up 2 late takedowns and then lost in OT.

Not worried about Parkins and Magro. They took on 2 upperclassmen with much more experience. Both looked great, but the two upperclassman just kept on grinding.

-Looked like Fongaro lost to a kid from UPENN.

 

[Leonard23]

-Didn't catch the Adams match

-Parkins lost a close one to a 5th year senior. Should of won; lost in OT. Tough loss, had good offense and defense, but looked to lose a little steam toward the end. Had a real nice headlock that landed out of bounds. Was able to escape quickly.

-Magro was destroying a RS senior and team captain from F&M. Secured riding time, escaped twice, but ended up losing after giving up 2 late takedowns and then lost in OT.

Not worried about Parkins and Magro. They took on 2 upperclassmen with much more experience. Both looked great, but the two upperclassmen just kept on grinding.

-Looked like Fongaro lost to a kid from UPENN.

It takes a while for many freshmen to handle the full 7 mins, especially in Nov. They'll continue to adjust and get there.

 

[njsportsphan]

-Chapman loses 3 to 2. He faced a 3x NY state champ (senior) from Binghamton. Again, a true frosh facing an upperclassman with much more experience. However, if I'm going to be honest, it looked like Chapman gassed during the first period. He was standing up straight and had a few shots taken on him, but he was able to defend against the takedown attempts. He was ridden out over riding time and nearly got a reversal to send it to OT, but lost in regulation.

 

[njsportsphan]

It takes a while for many freshmen to handle the full 7 mins, especially in Nov. They'll continue to adjust and get there.

100% agree. I'm really happy the first 3 true frosh have faced upperclassman too.

 

[UnderHooks]

Harer looks like he put on some muscle

 

[njsportsphan]

Parkins' next match was against Henry Porter (JR) of Indiana. Lost by tech in 3:26. Porter has some solid ranked wins thus far in his collegiate career. I saw two takedowns and a lot of tilts.

Magro wins next match against Noah Tapia, Hofstra-UNATT. 8-3. Tapia is a Junior and placed 4th at the EIWA. Magro had a nice reversal from the bottom which resulted in locking up a nice cradle via leg ride. Got the 1 minute riding time afterwards.

 

[njsportsphan]

- Magro's next match is against Dunnigan of Penn

-Doster beat a RS senior from Hofstra 5-2. Next match vs. Stout of Penn

-Harer wins by tech in first match over RS soph from Duke. 19-4 in 5:25. Harer does look noticeably stronger and it was a solid takedown clinic. Next match vs. Smith of AWP

-Gibson wins 4-2 over Adams of Duke

- Chapman faces another 3x champion from Michigan, Derek Gilcher of Indiana (Redshirt Senior). Loses 12-1. Was taken down and struggled a bit on bottom.

 

[njsportsphan]

-Harer wins 2nd match 4-1

-Chapman loses to Dom Solis (redshirt senior, qualifier) 6-3. Overall, went 0-3 but went against much older competitors with much more college experience. He will rebound.

-Doster is 3-0. Has one more match

-Parkins gets first collegiate win vs. Frinzi of Harvard (Senior)

-Gibson is 3-0 and going for 1st.

-Magro responds with 3 straight wins. Beating Tapia, Dunnigan, and Paridan (Freshman, UVA).

- Not sure how Adams did at 125. Also not sure if others wrestled. This was tough to follow. Flo changed the way their site is structured and it's not user friendly whatsoever. Would of loved to have seen Townson compete. Heard Barbosa is banged up too.

 

[PessimisticallyHopefulPragmatist]

Barbosa hasn't wrestled yet.

 

[NJwrestling26]

-Harer wins 2nd match 4-1

-Chapman loses to Dom Solis (redshirt senior, qualifier) 6-3. Overall, went 0-3 but went against much older competitors with much more college experience. He will rebound.

-Doster is 3-0. Has one more match

-Parkins gets first collegiate win vs. Frinzi of Harvard (Senior)

-Gibson is 3-0 and going for 1st.

-Magro responds with 3 straight wins. Beating Tapia, Dunnigan, and Paridan (Freshman, UVA).

- Not sure how Adams did at 125. Also not sure if others wrestled. This was tough to follow. Flo changed the way their site is structured and it's not user friendly whatsoever. Would have loved to have seen Townson compete. Heard Barbosa is banged up too.

Adams lost his first match 12-9 to Rossi from hunterdon central wrestles for Virginia then lost 7-3 in OT to Bah from Columbia then won 8-4 over App state kid

 

[NJwrestling26]

Barbosa hasn't wrestled yet.

Gibson lost in OT to the app state starter who beat out Fongaro for the spot

 

[Leonard23]

-Harer wins 2nd match 4-1

-Chapman loses to Dom Solis (redshirt senior, qualifier) 6-3. Overall, went 0-3 but went against much older competitors with much more college experience. He will rebound.

-Doster is 3-0. Has one more match

-Parkins gets first collegiate win vs. Frinzi of Harvard (Senior)

-Gibson is 3-0 and going for 1st.

-Magro responds with 3 straight wins. Beating Tapia, Dunnigan, and Paridan (Freshman, UVA).

- Not sure how Adams did at 125. Also not sure if others wrestled. This was tough to follow. Flo changed the way their site is structured and it's not user friendly whatsoever. Would of loved to have seen Townson compete. Heard Barbosa is banged up too.

New flo/track brackets are terrible.

Adams went 1-3. Lost 3-7 to Bah (Columbia) and 9-12 to Rossi (UVA). Beat McBride (App St.) 8-4.

Villani won all 3 of his matches at 149.

 

[njsportsphan]

- Gibson lost 1st place match to Hernandez of Appalachian State (redshirt sophomore)

-Harer takes 1st. Beats Polo from Penn (Junior). Great bounce back weekend.

 

[NJwrestling26]

-Harer wins 2nd match 4-1

-Chapman loses to Dom Solis (redshirt senior, qualifier) 6-3. Overall, went 0-3 but went against much older competitors with much more college experience. He will rebound.

-Doster is 3-0. Has one more match

-Parkins gets first collegiate win vs. Frinzi of Harvard (Senior)

-Gibson is 3-0 and going for 1st.

-Magro responds with 3 straight wins. Beating Tapia, Dunnigan, and Paridan (Freshman, UVA).

- Not sure how Adams did at 125. Also not sure if others wrestled. This was tough to follow. Flo changed the way their site is structured and it's not user friendly whatsoever. Would of loved to have seen Townson compete. Heard Barbosa is banged up too.

Adams 1-2

Gibson 3-1


Villani went 3-0 and won his bracket

Doster went 4-0

Condomitti went 3-1

Harer went 3-0

Chapman 0-3

Blanchette went 1-2

 

[SCNJ]

New flo/track brackets are terrible.

Adams went 1-3. Lost 3-7 to Bah (Columbia) and 9-12 to Rossi (UVA). Beat McBride (App St.) 8-4.

Villani won all 3 of his matches at 149.

Seriously. FloArena was great. The new bracket locks up all the time, impossible to navigate between weight classes, and if you’re looking at bigger brackets for huge high school tournaments like super 32, it’s impossible to scroll through the bracket and find what you’re looking for. Just awful.

 

[Leonard23]

Seriously. FloArena was great. The new bracket locks up all the time, impossible to navigate between weight classes, and if you’re looking at bigger brackets for huge high school tournaments like super 32, it’s impossible to scroll through the bracket and find what you’re looking for. Just awful.

I preferred the old trackwrestling over Flo arena. After you figured out how to navigate, it had all the info and was much easier to see the entire bracket and results.

 

[Corby2]

I preferred the old trackwrestling over Flo arena. After you figured out how to navigate, it had all the info and was much easier to see the entire bracket and results.

Track is still available in the bar above hit CLASSIC once you click on the tournament click the drop down menu and select classic

 

[Leonard23]

Track is still available in the bar above hit CLASSIC once you click on the tournament click the drop down menu and select classic

Problem is that the classic track brackets don't load and they've pushed more college tournaments to Flo so it doesn't matter.

 

[Corby2]

Problem is that the classic track brackets don't load and they've pushed more college tournaments to Flo so it doesn't matter.

They definitely load and dashboard works . I just explained how to do it. I used it for Cyclone open, Bison open and tiger style this weekend

 

[Crackersisback]

Adams 1-2

Gibson 3-1


Villani went 3-0 and won his bracket

Doster went 4-0

Condomitti went 3-1

Harer went 3-0

Chapman 0-3

Blanchette went 1-2

Man! I hope Chapman does turn into another Stephan Glasgow or Andrew Camp.

 

[Corby2]

Man! I hope Chapman does turn into another Stephan Glasgow or Andrew Camp.

I don't believe lifestyle is an issue for Chapman

 

[Kiddagger311]

Man! I hope Chapman does turn into another Stephan Glasgow or Andrew Camp.

Ikr, I’m assuming u meant performance on the mat and not a lifestyle issue. I’m not sure how njsports can be so confident Chapman will rebound..

Was secretly hoping Chapman as the sleeper upside type that can make an impact right a way.. through raw athleticism..

I wonder who the next RU recruit will be that can come in and contend for AA right away like Ash did.. feels too long ago..

 

[Crackersisback]

Ikr, I’m assuming u meant performance on the mat and not a lifestyle issue. I’m not sure how njsports can be so confident Chapman will rebound..

Was secretly hoping Chapman as the sleeper upside type that can make an impact right a way.. through raw athleticism..

I wonder who the next RU recruit will be that can come in and contend for AA right away like Ash did.. feels too long ago..

Well, at this point we can't determine what his off the mat antics are. I'm more concerned with the on the mat performance. I know he is not a blue chip recruit, and it was his first real test, but he didn't win one match, and the competition was good, but not next level where we could say " hey he ran into AAs or even a guy won 2 or 3 matches at NCAAs". Could have been style match ups, nerves or was just in a funk that day.I reserve judgement for the future if this becomes a contant.I just can't believe this is the same kid that was taking it to the number recruit in country at his weight, Harvey Ludington.

 

[Crackersisback]

I don't believe lifestyle is an issue for Chapman

How do you know? You one of his roommates or his bros on campus? Just stick to your crap wrestling opinions, so I have something laugh at.

 

[njsportsphan]

I'm still positive because he was facing guys that were about 5 years older in his first 3 matches. They could have lined him and Parkins up in another pool with younger guys but tossed them into the gauntlet. Yes, they weren't AAs but doesn't mean their bums either. Did he get the results he wanted or that we had hoped? Absolutely not, but I think we learned a few things.
I don't agree with the Glasgow/Comp comparison. This kid doesn't deserve that. No stories have come out about that. He works hard and is dedicated. He's still just raw. Having SCW, PInto and Labs in the room will help him big time.

 

[Corby2]

How do you know? You one of his roommates or his bros on campus? Just stick to your crap wrestling opinions, so I have something laugh at.

Because I know people. Yep because being good 40 years ago really matters now. You think coaches and kids don't know the lifestyles these athletes live. Some coaches think once they get them things will change if a kid is smoking lots of weed in HS hes probably not gonna stop in college.

 

[Crackersisback]

Because I know people. Yep because being good 40 years ago really matters now. You think coaches and kids don't know the lifestyles these athletes live. Some coaches think once they get them things will change if a kid is smoking lots of weed in HS hes probably not gonna stop in college.

Yeah buddy, I was great 40 years ago, not good...great, and can still go in my 60's.And yes, I know wrestling. Did it evolve into something different? Yes, comparably, athletes trained hard and where advanced for that time.Same like today. Advancements in science are different today than they where in the 80s.As new strides are made, people capitalize off that and make advancements. You're hard pressed to discredit what I achieved 40+ years ago, and here you are being a critic, with marginal to maybe moderate success.Makes sense.

 

[Corby2]

Yeah buddy, I was great 40 years ago, not good...great, and can still go in my 60's.And yes, I know wrestling. Did it evolve into something different? Yes, comparably, athletes trained hard and where advanced for that time.Same like today. Advancements in science are different today than they where in the 80s.As new strides are made, people capitalize off that and make advancements. You're hard pressed to discredit what I achieved 40+ years ago, and here you are being a critic, with marginal to maybe moderate success.Makes sense.

I'm not hard pressed at all myself and others just find it funny that you believe what you did 40 years ago matters today. My success 30 years ago has no bearing on what I know today.

You think a HS kid with a 3.5 GPA who becomes a DR knew more 40 years ago or now? It's called evolving sorry you still haven't evolved from your two 7th place finishes in the 80s.

 

[PessimisticallyHopefulPragmatist]

You think a HS kid with a 3.5 GPA who becomes a DR knew more 40 years ago or now? It's called evolving sorry you still haven't evolved from your two 7th place finishes in the 80s.

Careful, we yearn for and celebrate 7th and 8th place finishes.

 

[Leonard23]

 

[Crackersisback]

I'm not hard pressed at all myself and others just find it funny that you believe what you did 40 years ago matters today. My success 30 years ago has no bearing on what I know today.

You think a HS kid with a 3.5 GPA who becomes a DR knew more 40 years ago or now? It's called evolving sorry you still haven't evolved from your two 7th place finishes in the 80s.

It's called setting up foundations for later life success.You think David Taylor, some 20 + years as high school phenom would have been a prized recruit for Penn St. to hone his craft or the very least, under arguably the best coach since Gable and the most accomplished American wrestler, to later on become a Olympic Gold medalist, to being paid over a million dollars a years, if he had marginal success as a youth of in college.Its not about the accomplishments, it who person is that achieves these accomplishments.Not some critical, jock rider, who comes on here with his high handed opinions.

 

[Kiddagger311]

Well, at this point we can't determine what his off the mat antics are. I'm more concerned with the on the mat performance. I know he is not a blue chip recruit, and it was his first real test, but he didn't win one match, and the competition was good, but not next level where we could say " hey he ran into AAs or even a guy won 2 or 3 matches at NCAAs". Could have been style match ups, nerves or was just in a funk that day.I reserve judgement for the future if this becomes a contant.I just can't believe this is the same kid that was taking it to the number recruit in country at his weight, Harvey Ludington.

Yeah after the Ludington match I thought he could be a real diamond in the rough type of recruit, but it’s still too early to say.. Chapman was still a top 100 class recruit— I think around 70s big boarder. I always say we will know roughly a freshman’s potential once they face off against several NQ lvl wrestlers.

 

[Kiddagger311]

I'm still positive because he was facing guys that were about 5 years older in his first 3 matches. They could have lined him and Parkins up in another pool with younger guys but tossed them into the gauntlet. Yes, they weren't AAs but doesn't mean their bums either. Did he get the results he wanted or that we had hoped? Absolutely not, but I think we learned a few things.
I don't agree with the Glasgow/Comp comparison. This kid doesn't deserve that. No stories have come out about that. He works hard and is dedicated. He's still just raw. Having SCW, PInto and Labs in the room will help him big time.

I guess I don’t subscribe as much to the he’s older so he has an advantage as much as others do.. I think wrestling is changing where the younger/hungrier guys have just as much an advantage. I guess I viewed it more as he lost to NQ lvl guys rather then he lost to Sr’s. And he def had one of the more tougher brackets..

Yeah you are right, he faced the toughest pool.. I guess I was hoping for that Seabass/Shawver type of recruit but that’s being unrealistic and too early to tell anyways.

 

[RUAldo]

Yeah after the Ludington match I thought he could be a real diamond in the rough type of recruit, but it’s still too early to say.. Chapman was still a top 100 class recruit— I think around 70s big boarder. I always say we will know roughly a freshman’s potential once they face off against several NQ lvl wrestlers.

As much as we all bash the private high schools they wrestle the hardest schedules, typically have the best coaching, and closely manage wrestlers (with exceptions of course). Cranford is solid but a joke compared to most private HS. Chapman is athletic as hell and a good wrestler but RU will need to make him a great wrestler. Which should be the goal from day 1 anyway. Plenty of non-B10 schools are able to develop AA talent so if RU coaches do their jobs I’m optimistic about Chapman’s future.

 

[Corby2]

It's called setting up foundations for later life success.You think David Taylor, some 20 + years as high school phenom would have been a prized recruit for Penn St. to hone his craft or the very least, under arguably the best coach since Gable and the most accomplished American wrestler, to later on become a Olympic Gold medalist, to being paid over a million dollars a years, if he had marginal success as a youth of in college.Its not about the accomplishments, it who person is that achieves these accomplishments.Not some critical, jock rider, who comes on here with his high handed opinions.

I definitely give information and facts more than opinions. I don't make guesses I work with facts . If I post Rutgers isn't getting this kid it's not some educated guess it's a fact. Most people know not much happens in the wrestling world that I don't know. I don't care what you think of me actually because in 2025 you are a nobody in the wrestling world

 

[PessimisticallyHopefulPragmatist]

I guess I don’t subscribe as much to the he’s older so he has an advantage as much as others do.. I think wrestling is changing where the younger/hungrier guys have just as much an advantage. I guess I viewed it more as he lost to NQ lvl guys rather then he lost to Sr’s. And he def had one of the more tougher brackets..

Yeah you are right, he faced the toughest pool.. I guess I was hoping for that Seabass/Shawver type of recruit but that’s being unrealistic and too early to tell anyways.

I don't either. It was an easy explanation for those who always want to excuse poor performance. Has anyone given thought to why Chapman had a poor performance? He did show some great potential, especially with that Luddington match, up a weight class. Has he come into Rutgers with serious intent? Is he being held to what is expected? If he isn't putting in the effort even if from having been distracted by college life, he needs to be straightened out. Is he getting any money? If so, and the same with any of the others, he needs to be told of his side of the deal. I don't believe he wrestled to his capability and it was probably a matter of poor preparation. My opinion based on the little that we are allowed to know.

 

[njsportsphan]

I don't either. It was an easy explanation for those who always want to excuse poor performance. Has anyone given thought to why Chapman had a poor performance? He did show some great potential, especially with that Luddington match, up a weight class. Has he come into Rutgers with serious intent? Is he being held to what is expected? If he isn't putting in the effort even if from having been distracted by college life, he needs to be straightened out. Is he getting any money? If so, and the same with any of the others, he needs to be told of his side of the deal. I don't believe he wrestled to his capability and it was probably a matter of poor preparation. My opinion based on the little that we are allowed to know.

I think you're overreacting. It's the first early season tournament/3 matches of a college career in what is basically a JV D1 tournament. Team points weren't even calculated. Kid just needs more work. And why are people calling him a bluechip? I'm not saying he's bad, but he was ranked 68th in his class. Wouldn't bluechip be a top 10 or 20 pick? If he was a top 10 or 20 pick and lost then I'd be more upset, or if team points mattered.

 

[BloodRound]

lol how did we jump to the conclusion that Chapman is out partying his career away on College Ave...

 

[Crackersisback]

I definitely give information and facts more than opinions. I don't make guesses I work with facts . If I post Rutgers isn't getting this kid it's not some educated guess it's a fact. Most people know not much happens in the wrestling world that I don't know. I don't care what you think of me actually because in 2025 you are a nobody in the wrestling world

Still got those plaques slick....Anyone with halfway decent computer skills can Google NJ, high school wrestling and make assessments on articles written by former wrestlers/ wrestling experts, come on here and make charts and form opinions.When you live that level of wrestling, then you can be a critic and be taken seriously

 

[Crackersisback]

lol how did we jump to the conclusion that Chapman is out partying his career away on College Ave...

Nobody said that.We are just surprised that he didn't have better success, considering he did wrestle good competition, but definitely not world beaters and lost in a bad way. Don't want to bash the kid, because he is definitely one of my favorite wrestlers, but he is a far cry from the kid who took it too Ludington last year. We will see.We will either have the next James Green ,or another Glasgow/ Campolatano. Balls in his court.