21,000 Charlotte Students Absent Due To Immigration Enforcement
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SCDMV ID Card is free. The right to drive doesn't need to be free.
how are republicans making things so difficult to get IDs. I hear this a lot, but no one has been able to tell me what actions are happening in this area. Can you help?
Probably in a manner that follows the rule of law and doesn’t have citizens get rounded up and in some instances deported. Cruelty is the point with all of this, and it sickens me seeing people cheering this **** on.
$52/8 years = 6 fitty a year. If someone can't afford that, they don't need to be here in the first place.
Because I thought he was the superior option to the alternative in all 3 elections. I’m not a cultist like 90% of the maga voters on this forum, and after 10 months, yeah I’m regretting my vote. I was hoping he’d have more adults in his cabinet, like in ‘16, but it seems he’d rather just promote unqualified sycophants instead. Case in point the catastrophic Lindsey Halligan, Kash Patel, and now absent Dan Bongino (though it appears he’s apparently the only one with morals.)
"I'll start entertaining the idea of requiring them for more things."
Is a valid ID not required for damn near everything in the country already?
Make it free if it's a requirement to avoid being harassed by police because you look like you might be illegal.
Okay cool. So let's just make it mandatory for 17+. All good right?
I'm going to respond in more detail in a different post but this thread is about children so I'm not sure how this helps.
It was in a downstream reply to your comment about Republicans making it hard to get an ID. It isn't hard.
So a few things:
- The easiest proof of identification you can provide for an ID is typically a certified birth certificate. I don't know when the last time you had to get one was but there are fees. The cheapest is in person:
- $17 non-refundable expedited searching fee*
- $3 for each additional copy
- I don't remember why exactly but I had to go in person for my eldest child, something weird had happened. I probably spent two hours there. I imagine this is going to happen a lot for people whose parents didn't do a great job of record keeping.
- DMV's are famously derided for how slow they are. So you're asking people to give up hours of their time to even make this happen in the best of circumstances.
- A lot of states don't have closed DMV's in rural areas for "reasons". A lot of states don't have weekend hours at their locations.. For as much as we deride folks for not working, we sure don't make it easy for them to work and have IDs
Your reply doesn't pass the smell test but you made the correct decision on your vote regardless.
I agree there should not be cruelty, but the problem is the definition of that word. Note that in Chicago a judge ruled on procedures that ICE could employ in its operations. Now a higher court puts a stay on that order saying it was too prescriptive. So once again, we see that two supposedly intelligent lawyers/judges look at same data and come to different conclusions. Same happens here . Your understanding of cruelty might not be the same as what someone else might see. The entire issue could be concluded if people in the country illegally just took the government's offer of a free plane ride and $1,000 to go home.
what you're pointing out isn't reserved for undocumented people. Everybody goes through the same processes. So undocumented are not subjected to anything different.
You should encourage your DMV to follow the Florida procedures...make an appointment, verify you have documents required BEFORE going through the process (takes 5-10 minutes), sit down, wait to be called, get your license, leave. Takes about 1/2 hour.
You seem to be hung up on "brown" people. There are Asians, Europeans also involved in immigration efforts. The determining factor seems to be "in the country illegally". And, if you're in the country illegally, you should be deported. It's the law. If we don't like the law, vote for people who will change it.
Cruel is taxing Americans to pay for people who come here and break all the rules and undercut the price of their work.
Not only are they taking their pay, they are increasing the cost of everything Americans buy.
Cruelty is in the eye of the beholder. I’m on the side of Americans and people who come here according to the laws of our land. The people being cruel are the ones breaking the rules
You kinda ignored the complexities and expense of getting the correct documents and the lack of nearby dmvs in a bunch of areas.
I feel like you've either misunderstood or misrepresented by position here. I don't think that ICE should be harassing children simply for being brown. That SCOTUS says it's ok is of no importance to me. Their credibility is dwindling and I know the difference between right and wrong, as I'd have hoped this board would. I additionally think "just get an ID LOL" is an ignorant position to hold for the reasons outlined above.
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There is a complexity to the documents required. Principally we want to make sure the person is who they claim to be. I have to admit I don't understand the expense that you post about. I have moved about 22 times through 8 states, and 2 foreign countries. For me it was the time involved more than cost. But, I recognize that my experiences don't necessarily mirror those of everyone else.
I don't think we should be harassing children not matter what their skin color might be. Again, it comes down to definition of harassment. I'm not sure exactly what you're referring to, so can't comment one way or another.
The fact that SCOTUS is of no importance is a little concerning. We are a nation of laws, supposedly. When the highest court in the land passes down a decision it affects all of us, and if the laws are not important to a segment of the population, we have, or could have problems or even anarchy.
I agree with you that the time, for me, as been the bigger drain. I think it's important to remember that people less fortunate than us (especially the "good ones" who are working low wage jobs to try and make ends meet) have less time and money than us. And gathering all of the documents and getting there in person is a pain for me, who is ostensibly an educated and capable person.
I believe ICE was setting up camp near schools. I'm admittedly having a hard time finding an article on this but I don't know why so many students would be held from school if it weren't for ICE targeting children.
What's just isn't always what's legal. Even if SCOTUS says a particular tactic is temporarily not unconstitutional (which is already incredibly shaky), I'd like to think that we can hold ourselves to a higher standard.
Look, 91% of adults have a drivers license and that includes the elderly and disabled who have clear reasons for not having one. It’s not that freaking hard.
And an ID card is even easier. No fee for the card. No exam. No driving test. No vision test.
Ordering a birth certificate from vital records is super super easy. Sure, maybe it costs $20 or so, but that’s 1 hour of work at McDonald’s current pay rates. Maybe the government can offer a rebate program where you can get refunded that fee once every 10 years to completely eliminate this issue (which isn’t really an issue).
DMVs have improved. I had to go a while back to get a Real ID (again, very easy). Put your name in, multitask while waiting, get your ID. Then you’re good for 10 years.
Every argument I hear about this or voter ID seems rooted in a belief that there are a bunch of Americans who are completely incapable of even the most basic tasks. It’s insulting imo.
So now it's not that it's not actually a pain in the butt, it's that it's ok. I feel like the goalposts have moved on me but what's new.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, the sorts of voting fraud that this would avoid is non existent. It's done purely to reduce the turnout for Democratic voters.
And, remembering that this is a thread about children not going to school, I will reiterate that I don't think the burden to be only minimally harassed by ICE should be placed on the people. It's the government's responsibility to have some sort of idea that the person they're hassling has done something wrong. This holds true for kids and adults. But maybe I only feel that way because I don't care for the taste of boots.
I agree on the kid thing btw. We shouldn’t be harassing them. We need to fix all of this other really, really dumb and obvious stuff though to make it a non-issue.
That'd be great. I'd be open minded to all of the ID stuff if all of these problems were resolved. Call it "comprehensive identification reform".
Voting is a right and we should be extremely reluctant to make voting harder, ever. If getting an ID was important for security (it's not but whatever) we should ensure that it's free start to finish (including getting the required documents), that it should truly be minimally time consuming, and that there are convenient locations for doing so for everyone (or allowing this all to be handled online). If the GOP was proposing holistic changes it'd be one thing. They just have zero credibility on the matter and, deservedly, are greeted with extreme skepticism from people like me.
This article claims that the absenteeism was due to a student walkout.
www.wistv.com
Over 30,000 Charlotte students absent from school in protest of ICE operation, reports say
Over 30,000 Charlotte students were absent on Monday, according to school officials.
www.wistv.com
This article claims that the absenteeism was due to a student walkout.
Over 30,000 Charlotte students absent from school in protest of ICE operation, reports say
Over 30,000 Charlotte students were absent on Monday, according to school officials.
That's interesting. It makes this entire thread kinda of useless.
all reasonable responses, thank you.
Here's what I can't get my head around. If a person is in the country legally, I find it hard to believe they don't have documentation out the wahzoo. If illegal, they likely don't have documentation and that's a problem.
I can understand ICE waiting outside schools if they believe that the child's father/mother are a target for deportation. I'd imagine they'd do the same thing if they were searching for an American suspected criminal. The goal is to arrest the person they are looking for and, for some reason, those people don't want to be arrested.
My children are here legally and the only documentation they have sits in a fire safe at home. Their only protection is that they look like Aryan dream children.
If they have a warrant for a specific person I don't think "the left" will care that much. The perception, at least, is that ICE is just going fishing.
The fact you can "understand" this is the issue. Undocumented individuals are not suspected criminals. It's a vastly different thing according to our laws.
A "suspected American criminal" is pursued under criminal law, which investigates actual crimes like theft, assault, or fraud. An undocumented immigrant is subject to civil immigration enforcement, which addresses administrative violations (like being in the country without permission), not crimes per se.
This matters enormously for what law enforcement can legally do, and ICE is out here nabbing anyone and everyone. It's essentially a police state for non-white people, illegally done.