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[baltimorened]

That'd be great. I'd be open minded to all of the ID stuff if all of these problems were resolved. Call it "comprehensive identification reform".

Voting is a right and we should be extremely reluctant to make voting harder, ever. If getting an ID was important for security (it's not but whatever) we should ensure that it's free start to finish (including getting the required documents), that it should truly be minimally time consuming, and that there are convenient locations for doing so for everyone (or allowing this all to be handled online). If the GOP was proposing holistic changes it'd be one thing. They just have zero credibility on the matter and, deservedly, are greeted with extreme skepticism from people like me.

there was a "man on the street" thing on a corner in a black community before the last election. Of course, the question a=was about voter ID and the democrat continued push to eliminate requirements for ID because it was too difficult. So the interviewer must have stopped 10 African Americans and asked "do you have ID?" he asked seemingly all age, gender if they had ID. And all of them said yes, why have ID was asked "because you need ID to buy cigarettes, get on a plane, get prescriptions - all the normal reasons. Then the interviewer remarked that some politicians have said it's too hard to get ID, that DMV were hard to find, need too much documentation.
Some laughed, some thought whoever said that was racist, one pointed to the DMV a couple of blocks away.

Anecdotal for sure, but points out, for example, that in our society you need ID for just about everything. If it's true for Americans, it's true for documented and undocumented migrants,

 

[baltimorened]

there was a "man on the street" thing on a corner in a black community before the last election. Of course, the question a=was about voter ID and the democrat continued push to eliminate requirements for ID because it was too difficult. So the interviewer must have stopped 10 African Americans and asked "do you have ID?" he asked seemingly all age, gender if they had ID. And all of them said yes, why have ID was asked "because you need ID to buy cigarettes, get on a plane, get prescriptions - all the normal reasons. Then the interviewer remarked that some politicians have said it's too hard to get ID, that DMV were hard to find, need too much documentation.
Some laughed, some thought whoever said that was racist, one pointed to the DMV a couple of blocks away.

Anecdotal for sure, but points out, for example, that in our society you need ID for just about everything. If it's true for Americans, it's true for documented and undocumented migrants,

I think we can all agree that we need some form of a modern immigration bill. I personally think it's a total dereliction of duty on the part of our elected officials to keep ignoring this issue.

 

[FLaw47]

there was a "man on the street" thing on a corner in a black community before the last election. Of course, the question a=was about voter ID and the democrat continued push to eliminate requirements for ID because it was too difficult. So the interviewer must have stopped 10 African Americans and asked "do you have ID?" he asked seemingly all age, gender if they had ID. And all of them said yes, why have ID was asked "because you need ID to buy cigarettes, get on a plane, get prescriptions - all the normal reasons. Then the interviewer remarked that some politicians have said it's too hard to get ID, that DMV were hard to find, need too much documentation.
Some laughed, some thought whoever said that was racist, one pointed to the DMV a couple of blocks away.

Anecdotal for sure, but points out, for example, that in our society you need ID for just about everything. If it's true for Americans, it's true for documented and undocumented migrants,

And yet not everyone has one, in person voter fraud doesn't really exist, and the GOP has has been caught saying they're doing it because it advantages them.

I don't trust the GOP on this issue. And like I said earlier, voting is a right. We need to but as few roadblocks as humanly possible in the way. If an ID is actually needed then make it as easy as humanly possible to get them. We haven't done that.

For additional context, a quick google returns that 28% of adult blacks and 27% of adult hispanics don't have a license compared to 18% of white adults.

The disparity was even larger for 18-29 year olds (black 37%, hispanic 39%, white 17%).

I know that there's more forms of ID than driver's licenses but I imagine this pattern holds true.

 

[fatpiggy]

I think we can all agree that we need some form of a modern immigration bill. I personally think it's a total dereliction of duty on the part of our elected officials to keep ignoring this issue.

The first dereliction of duty was leaving the border insecure.

With a secure border, the other issues don’t happen.

 

[scotchtiger]

And yet not everyone has one, in person voter fraud doesn't really exist, and the GOP has has been caught saying they're doing it because it advantages them.

I don't trust the GOP on this issue. And like I said earlier, voting is a right. We need to but as few roadblocks as humanly possible in the way. If an ID is actually needed then make it as easy as humanly possible to get them. We haven't done that.

For additional context, a quick google returns that 28% of adult blacks and 27% of adult hispanics don't have a license compared to 18% of white adults.

The disparity was even larger for 18-29 year olds (black 37%, hispanic 39%, white 17%).

I know that there's more forms of ID than driver's licenses but I imagine this pattern holds true.

Weird. My google search said 91% of adults have a drivers license. That’s not possible with those numbers, so some source is wrong.

 

[scotchtiger]

The first dereliction of duty was leaving the border insecure.

With a secure border, the other issues don’t happen.

This. We fvcked up by letting everyone in. And even more unbelievably stupid, we paid them once here which created more incentive to come illegally.

 

[FLaw47]

Weird. My google search said 91% of adults have a drivers license. That’s not possible with those numbers, so some source is wrong.

It's a fair callout. I chatGPT'd it and also got the 92%. Some of this is coming from different studies and I'd be surprised, candidly, to find out that 92% of adults even drove. Nevertheless, here is what I just saw (and my overarching point is that there are stark racial differences)

What the Data Shows (by Race / Ethnicity)​

1. Survey on Who Lacks ID
   • According to a nationally representative survey, ~18% of Black adults, ~15% of Hispanic adults, and ~13% of Asian / Pacific Islander adults reported not having a driver’s license at all. By contrast, only ~5% of White adults reported the same. papersplease.org+2Election Law Blog+2
   • In addition, over a quarter of Black (28%) and Hispanic (27%) adult citizens said they do not have a current driver’s license with both their current name and address. cdce.umd.edu+1
2. Center for the Digital Future (USC Annenberg)
   • In older survey data, they reported: ~88% of White adults have a driver’s license, ~85% of Asians, ~82% of Hispanics, and ~74% of African-Americans. Center for the Digital Future
   • (Note: this survey is not super recent, so it may not exactly reflect today, but it's one of the few that tries to break out by race.)
3. Teen / Young Adult Licensure (18–24)
   • For young adults (ages 18–24), a AAA Foundation report found that ~88% had a full driver’s license. AAA Foundation for Traffic Safety+1
   • In that same report, they show disparities in when people got their license by race: for example, only ~37% of Black young adults vs ~50% of White obtained their license by age 16. AAA Newsroom

 

[baltimorened]

And yet not everyone has one, in person voter fraud doesn't really exist, and the GOP has has been caught saying they're doing it because it advantages them.

I don't trust the GOP on this issue. And like I said earlier, voting is a right. We need to but as few roadblocks as humanly possible in the way. If an ID is actually needed then make it as easy as humanly possible to get them. We haven't done that.

For additional context, a quick google returns that 28% of adult blacks and 27% of adult hispanics don't have a license compared to 18% of white adults.

The disparity was even larger for 18-29 year olds (black 37%, hispanic 39%, white 17%).

I know that there's more forms of ID than driver's licenses but I imagine this pattern holds true.

I find it hard to believe those numbers, unless all those people live under a rock. There's just about nothing you can do in our society without some form of ID.

Voter fraud does exist. I'm not saying it exists enough to influence an election, but there are stories that come out quite often of people voting in two states, migrants voting when it's illegal. Like I said, it's not prominent, but it does happen

 

[FLaw47]

I find it hard to believe those numbers, unless all those people live under a rock. There's just about nothing you can do in our society without some form of ID.

Voter fraud does exist. I'm not saying it exists enough to influence an election, but there are stories that come out quite often of people voting in two states, migrants voting when it's illegal. Like I said, it's not prominent, but it does happen

Hey, I'm open to you presenting your own data. I don't think it's that hard to believe. I think a combination of people not driving, drinking, or smoking and certain retailers just not caring about such things plausibly explains most of this. I very rarely have to show my ID other than boarding a plane.

 

[dpic73]

The fact you can "understand" this is the issue. Undocumented individuals are not suspected criminals. It's a vastly different thing according to our laws.

A "suspected American criminal" is pursued under criminal law, which investigates actual crimes like theft, assault, or fraud. An undocumented immigrant is subject to civil immigration enforcement, which addresses administrative violations (like being in the country without permission), not crimes per se.

This matters enormously for what law enforcement can legally do, and ICE is out here nabbing anyone and everyone. It's essentially a police state for non-white people, illegally done.

They literally are and this is what makes decent people crazy. Brown guys just blowing leaves SMH.

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[baltimorened]

Hey, I'm open to you presenting your own data. I don't think it's that hard to believe. I think a combination of people not driving, drinking, or smoking and certain retailers just not caring about such things plausibly explains most of this. I very rarely have to show my ID other than boarding a plane.

you don't bank? They never ask for an ID? Even when I cash a check, make a deposit withdrawal, they want ID, prescriptions same thing

 

[Allornothing]

You kinda ignored the complexities and expense of getting the correct documents and the lack of nearby dmvs in a bunch of areas.

I feel like you've either misunderstood or misrepresented by position here. I don't think that ICE should be harassing children simply for being brown. That SCOTUS says it's ok is of no importance to me. Their credibility is dwindling and I know the difference between right and wrong, as I'd have hoped this board would. I additionally think "just get an ID LOL" is an ignorant position to hold for the reasons outlined above.

"That SCOTUS says it's ok is of no importance to me."

This says it all right here about YOU with your own words. Just like the ILLEGALS, you don't care what the rules and laws of this country are. In your mind, you get to pick and choose which laws apply to you and the illegals and which ones don't.

"Their credibility is dwindling" How do you determine that? I know how you see it.

"as I'd have hoped this board would." Hope in one hand and **** in the other. See which one fills up faster.

 

[FLaw47]

you don't bank? They never ask for an ID? Even when I cash a check, make a deposit withdrawal, they want ID, prescriptions same thing

I very very rarely go to the bank. No ID for prescriptions, usually. My point isn't that I NEVER use it but that it's rare. I probably go months on end without being asked for it. It's not hard for me to imagine people not needing one.

 

[Allornothing]

Look, 91% of adults have a drivers license and that includes the elderly and disabled who have clear reasons for not having one. It’s not that freaking hard.

And an ID card is even easier. No fee for the card. No exam. No driving test. No vision test.

Ordering a birth certificate from vital records is super super easy. Sure, maybe it costs $20 or so, but that’s 1 hour of work at McDonald’s current pay rates. Maybe the government can offer a rebate program where you can get refunded that fee once every 10 years to completely eliminate this issue (which isn’t really an issue).

DMVs have improved. I had to go a while back to get a Real ID (again, very easy). Put your name in, multitask while waiting, get your ID. Then you’re good for 10 years.

Every argument I hear about this or voter ID seems rooted in a belief that there are a bunch of Americans who are completely incapable of even the most basic tasks. It’s insulting imo.

"Ordering a birth certificate from vital records is super super easy. Sure, maybe it costs $20 or so, but that’s 1 hour of work at McDonald’s current pay rates. Maybe the government can offer a rebate program where you can get refunded that fee once every 10 years to completely eliminate this issue (which isn’t really an issue)."

There is no reason anyone in this country other than a teenager should not have a valid ID.

 

[baltimorened]

I very very rarely go to the bank. No ID for prescriptions, usually. My point isn't that I NEVER use it but that it's rare. I probably go months on end without being asked for it. It's not hard for me to imagine people not needing one.

I accept that you're being straightforward. Like I said, if you're in the country legally, should be no problem. If you're here illegally you should leave. I wonder how people sign up for SNAP, Medicaid, and other social programs.

 

[FLaw47]

I accept that you're being straightforward. Like I said, if you're in the country legally, should be no problem. If you're here illegally you should leave. I wonder how people sign up for SNAP, Medicaid, and other social programs.

I don't know how you come to that conclusion. We've established that ICE is hassling lots of people, some who are here legally or are citizens. We've also established that plenty of people don't have proof of citizenship they can carry with them. Therefore, ICE is hassling people who are here legally who cannot easily prove they are. And we've seen accounts of this already. But you just hand wave it away.

 

[hopefultiger13]

Reminder - no matter what your skin color is, if you are here legally you have nothing to worry about.

If you are here illegally, you have something to worry about. No matter what your skin color is.

Back to the race card for the dems.

LOVE THIS POST. Can't help but wonder how long your opinion would stay the same when WHITE folks have guys in masks show up and ask them for their papers. And if they can't prove their citizenship ON THE SPOT, they get taken 100s of miles away and their legal council can't get to them. Because, while I USUALLY have my Driver's License on me, I don't ALL the time. AND remember, Trump is currently challenging the birthright citizenship thing, so even my official birth certificate might not be enough (which I NEVER have on me).

I have a 17 year old daughter and she usually gets a ride to school from friends. She drives them about once a week. RARELY does she carry her DL or ID even though I tell her she should. I don't worry about her getting picked up by ICE at all. Because she's Lilly White, just like my wife and I. Since we moved to Idaho in 2011, we've been adopted by a large Hispanic Family. All of them are born here in Pocatello and their Grandparents immigrated from Mexico in the early 1900s (I assume illegally). About 1/3 of them have college degrees (Including my Dr (GP). And a bunch of them that don't currently work for or worked for Union Pacific. Good folks and THEY sweat ICE on a regular basis and you can bet your *** THEY don't leave the house w/o an ID. So far so good and we haven't had any ICE raids in Pocatello that I've heard about.

 

[hopefultiger13]

It's a minor inconvenience at worst. They will be just fine. Certainly not worth staying home over.

Again...LOVE THIS. If a few brown citizens get roughed up by the police, that's a price the Trumpians are more than willing for them to pay.

 

[hopefultiger13]

Anyone here think as a kid that you'd live in a country where a person could be walking down the street and guys in masks could show up and ask for your papers and if you can't provide them, you get taken away? And yes, I get that it's a more complicated situation than that... But still, we live in a country where that happens and even MORE crazy, most folks on this board think that's just fine. That is just CRAZY to me...