4A State Championship Grimsley Vs. New Bern
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You did SMH regarding the level of competition increasing, saying "I hope it has, this is the playoffs." I get that, but 20 PPG better? I doubt that. Have I seen Grimsley play? Yes, I have. So, no I'm not basing my opinion only on research, analysis and numbers. But, the eye test is often biased in some way and you can't disregard analysis and numbers either. The year before Covid when Richmond was doing very well and most thought they'd win states that year, Chambers (who was called Vance then) was heading to Richmond to play. I compared numbers and said Chambers was trending up and Richmond was trending down and not be surprised at a Chambers win at Richmond. Many mocked. Final score was Chambers 38-7 or something like that. I've received flack from Charlotte folks as well. When Page beat Butler and Mallard Creek in 2011, I was at the Mallard Creek game. After Page beat them, I mentioned that Mallard Creek didn't have a championship mindset yet. They were having trouble winning the big games because of their mindset. I took flak from Mallard Creek folks and was basically called crazy. That's okay, everyone was and is entitled to their opinion. Nowadays everyone is talking mindset. There's one number probably not many if any are looking at and is a downward trend for Grimsley; point differential. In the playoffs, against Davie, it was 32. Against Catholic it went down to 12, Independence, 8, Hough 3, then Weddington at 1. Many will overlook or laugh at that trend. Don't overlook it. Numbers, though they don't tell the whole story, do speak to us. New Bern has three 1,000 yard rushers with 57 TDs between them. That's a punishing ground attack. Can Grimsley's defensive line deal with that over the course of a game? I don't know. We'll see. They very well could or it could end up wearing their defense down. Nevertheless I don't expect a blowout either way. I look for a tight game. Again, don't be surprised to see New Bern score at least 40-45 points against Grimsley. The question will then be, can Grimsley outscore them?
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Butler got their butts kicked by Page, then we (Creek) took the same butt whipping the following week. There were probably 4 Creek guys who posted on NCPREPS back then. Palmieri knew he was having a problem winning big. That's why he started scheduling Butler. We were in Shock we lost. I don't recall anyone debating or giving anyone flak about our mindset. We lost! No excuses.
Most of the posters back then were on Carolinapreps message boards, so maybe it was lost in translation. I do remember you being on that board, but for the life of me cannot remember your handle, I for sure remember it being different than the one on here.
I agree with you for the most part. The margins of victory have gotten as tight as they can get. I'm not sure what New Bern has on the offensive line, but if there are any holes there at all, expect Grimsley defensive front to slow that rushing attack down a bit. New Bern will need to be balanced to beat Grimsley. You have to be able to pass on them.
Nope, I was here, Carolina Preps and Carolina Varsity back then along with Highschool OT. My handle has been the same on all of them.
No no, look at who I was replying to. I know your handle hasn't changed. But I know Nepsy's was something else. I just can't remember what it was.
NB will score more than 14 points and so will Grimsley. Grimsley QB will be key for them. Can he make the throws when needed and will he use his legs to keep drives going. Jordan QB needed to make 1 throw when it counted and he couldn’t do it. Millbrook QB had WR behind the NB defense a handful of times and over shot them every time. There is pressure on these throws. NB defense makes plays, they will strip and force fumbles and if the secondary can get their hands on the ball they will pick it off. NB was holding the WR last week but it worked for them. Even though they had 5-6 PI calls they didn’t give up the deep TD pass Which was smart.
Most defenses will play with 3 down lineman against NB power running game with two outside edge. If the lineman can contain the inside option and if you have size and speed on the edges than you can matchup, if not it will be a long night. Even if you matchup NB will still pop it many times because they are good at what they do.
Also NB special teams have been lights out. Millbrook didn’t know who to kick it to.
Most defenses will play with 3 down lineman against NB power running game with two outside edge. If the lineman can contain the inside option and if you have size and speed on the edges than you can matchup, if not it will be a long night. Even if you matchup NB will still pop it many times because they are good at what they do.
Also NB special teams have been lights out. Millbrook didn’t know who to kick it to.
NB has a big/quick OL. And will mix in the pass when the D starts putting more guys into the box.
So, from what you've seen, is it plausible New Bern could pop 40-45 points on Grimsley though Massey only rates them with scoring 35 against them?
Simmons, Calpreps, and all 5 HS FB experts on the Observer Preps panel all unanimously picked Hough to beat Grimsley by 4-8 pts. Just saying...
It's always possible when you're running this kind of rushing attack against a team that rarely, if ever, sees it. I see the potential for a lot of points for both squads with the amount of talent each team possesses. Like usual in a big game, penalties/turnovers/special teams will be key.
GSO
Where's CT147 when we most need him. Remember he is the all-time famous kat from THE BERN. I bees thanking more often than less that The Bern is gona win this one pa. I went out-yonder two yeer-go and them coaches warn me. They told me in too yeers them Bears wus gona be on top. They wus right.
You know, I've never ever ever have had a problem with you or your goats GSO. However sir, it seems as if some people lately bees looking at your words, thoughts and essays as if it smells like Dookie.
You know darn well Governor Purnell always has your 6.
PS: When wus the last time you visited that establishment in Southern Pines with all those fingerprints on the pole?
Where's CT147 when we most need him. Remember he is the all-time famous kat from THE BERN. I bees thanking more often than less that The Bern is gona win this one pa. I went out-yonder two yeer-go and them coaches warn me. They told me in too yeers them Bears wus gona be on top. They wus right.
You know, I've never ever ever have had a problem with you or your goats GSO. However sir, it seems as if some people lately bees looking at your words, thoughts and essays as if it smells like Dookie.
You know darn well Governor Purnell always has your 6.
PS: When wus the last time you visited that establishment in Southern Pines with all those fingerprints on the pole?
Mr Honda you did not pick Grimsley versus Hough ...
Hough 28 Grimsley 17 Honda pick round 4 those numbers have
But obviously this is a difficult game to pick, Grimsley far and away the more
difficult schedule on the year.. toss up
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Since you said you go national are you familiar with Edna Karr LA, Duncanville TX and are you familiar with the coach that left Hoover for Gainesville GA? What are your thoughts?
I’m familiar with all of them but I’m not familiar with the coach.
Please continue to share your opinion. Many people cant handle anything that doesnt shine a bright light on their team and it will always be that way. Since NB is in the finals I will share a story. In 2014 after NB blew out Hoggard in the ECF, I posted that I didn’t really see anything special with NB outside of Mike Hughes and a solid, aggressive defense but that was about it. The RBs were average, the O line was average and the WRs were athletic but nothing to write home about. I shared that I felt NB would struggle after their great run. I was completely blasted and attacked by dozens of NB posters. (There were a lot more back then). I was not hating on NB but simply sharing my thoughts. NB ended up going 5-6,5-6,5-6,2-9 over the next 4 seasons. I am still waiting on some apologies. LOL
The Triad has some passionate fans and some great football but the fact is they have taken a back seat to Charlotte football. The gap has closed because of changes in Charlotte. Maybe the Triad areas have more leeway like the Charlotte schools had, I don’t know. Charlotte teams have showed they are still good even thought a very good Grimsley team has picked them off. Maybe the tide has shifted but it is too soon to tell. Let’s see what happens this year and then next year before we crown the Triad the King. I would say that the increased scoring on Grimsley in the playoffs is 100% who they have been playing.
Lol. Everyone in NB knew what was going to happen after 2014 as the entire team were all SR's. The same thing is about to happen after Friday night. Howard, the RB in 2014 was quite good as well as the WR's, IMO.
Not everyone in NB knew.
NB had some nice looking kids but nothing special like they had had when they were the team to beat most years in the East. That was my point.
Everybody knew what was going to happen as all the kids were graduating. Agree to disagree on the "nothing special" as having an electric QB and a defense that nasty is all you needed. Most offensive TD's in a game they gave up in the entire 2014 season was 2, and that was without the future 1st round CB.
You obviously weren’t on these boards during that time. If you were you would understand what I’m saying. I’m sure those close to the program knew but not everyone.
Joined in 2013 and every person/coach/parent I talked to knew 2014 would be the last shot for a while with how all the feeder programs were looking. Just like we all knew what 2019-2022 was going to look like with the influx in talent coming in. Only thing we had coming back in 2014 was RB's, 1 WR and 2ish OL. Everybody on D that dominated in 2014 was gone.
Portcity FB I do remember a lot of your posts and I believe quite frankly you were throwing a lot of shade on New Bern program. Now you have a right to opinion but a lot of them be so wrong. One for example is your comments this year about our offense being one dimensional and can’t win with just by running the ball like we do.
I have given NB more credit over the years than anyone else other than NB fans. I have been wrong many times. I have been watching football for many years and most of the time running the ball like NB runs it doesn’t win it all. That doesn’t mean it can’t work, it just rarely works.
I am with you. The tide has shifted. Football has always been a Charlotte specialty. For football lovers, it has always been the greatest location. Strong players! However, events do occur. You will see coaches that change schools frequently. Whether it be through a contract or another means, I believe there should be some sort of accountability to ensure that they are also held responsible. These coaches are acting in a humiliating way. schools like Julius L. Chambers High School, Myers Park High School, and West Charlotte High School all forfeited in some way or another. In addition to all of this, within a year(2021-2022), a firearm was discovered on the Julius L. Chambers campus twice, practically to the exact date. Many parents who have spent time and money on their kids don't want to support a flawed system, in my opinion. I'm not suggesting it's an awful place to go to school, but it might be a factor in the declining trend in winning over time. Parents are moving their children elsewhere. Yes, there are issues everywhere, but if the aforesaid situation becomes known within a year, parents will be disturbed.
I have always tried to give people the benefit of the doubt because I hope people will do the same with me. Some coaches cheat and recruit but I feel most of them do not. If a kid shows up at a school and wants to play ball the coaches are suppose to coach them. Families and kids may lying about where they live and I do not think the coaches should be private detective. If the counties want to hire someone to verify things thats fine but I think too much falls on the coaches and not enough on the kids and the families. I also feel every school in the state has great kids and kids with bad intention. Not sure if any school is void of either.
I don't know those guys, and i know all the Creek guys who post. I have no clue what their mindset was back then. We went into the game very confident, and got spanked.
Shifted? Wake Forest won 3 in row. Chambers is sending over 8 kids to college for free, including one going to Yale on a full scholly. Firearms have been found at schools in Winston Salem, Greensboro, Fayetteville, Raleigh, across the State. Don't make Chambers out to be the bad guys. There is nothing new going on. Give other area's in the State credit. They play outstanding football also.
If Grimsley goes up early and New Bern is trying to "mix in the pass" It could spell trouble for the Bears. Especially if its obvious passing situations and Grimsley is able to see it coming. New Bern needs to mix in the pass when Grimsley least expects it. IMO. Most likely Grimsley will stick a extra kid or two in the box early anyways. If New Bern wins the toss, they should probably elect to receive the ball first and try to go up with a score first. I could be wrong, but If New Bern falls behind on the scoreboard, it might be tough to win trying to run, and being out of a comfort zone.
New Bern hasn't had to play comeback yet and always elects to receive when winning the coin toss. The Bears do a good job throwing in the pass when they see something, and it usually results in a long gain or a TD. Should be a good one.
I'm not worried about this game at all.
Port, If New Bern could go 16-0 in 2014 with just "average RBs and an average O-line" with Mike Hughes all year year and also beat a great Charlotte Catholic team for the ship, then this year's team should beat the Hell of Grimsley. You wonder why people piled on you back then, yet you continue to make asinine statements like that on the regular about the Bears?? It's a different year, but the smug comments remain the same. Be glad the others are gone from this board. If they were still here, they would have a field day with you right now.
Almost every starter on that entire 2014 team stepped up in different games when needed. That's what made them great. Mike absolutely went off on your team, as he did against many others, but when he was injured for a few games the Bears still straight up smoked every team they played. Did you happen to see those games? They were deep and talented and played as well with one another as any New Bern team I and many other New Bern fans have ever seen. Your comments about them are offensive. You've always complimented on one hand and degraded on the other. It's disgusting.
Go Bears!
Port, If New Bern could go 16-0 in 2014 with just "average RBs and an average O-line" with Mike Hughes all year year and also beat a great Charlotte Catholic team for the ship, then this year's team should beat the Hell of Grimsley. You wonder why people piled on you back then, yet you continue to make asinine statements like that on the regular about the Bears?? It's a different year, but the smug comments remain the same. Be glad the others are gone from this board. If they were still here, they would have a field day with you right now.
Almost every starter on that entire 2014 team stepped up in different games when needed. That's what made them great. Mike absolutely went off on your team, as he did against many others, but when he was injured for a few games the Bears still straight up smoked every team they played. Did you happen to see those games? They were deep and talented and played as well with one another as any New Bern team I and many other New Bern fans have ever seen. Your comments about them are offensive. You've always complimented on one hand and degraded on the other. It's disgusting.
Go Bears!
This squad has played together the last 4 years as freshman and have been to 2 Eastern Finals, a 3rd round and now a State Title game. We'll see what happens.