Looks like the NCHSAA will be going to 5 classifications, starting in 2021. This makes things interesting.
5 classifications
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The next realignment process has been delayed a year. The new conferences will still go into effect in the 2021-2022 school year, this just eliminates the “lame duck year.” I like this because enrollment fluctuates and a school may be 3A size when the realignment figures come out, however when the new conferences actually start 2 years later, enrollment may have dropped to 2A size and they are stuck in 3A for at least 2 years...usually 4. Case in point...Burns...thankfully we were able to move down this year but I digress. Now this might just be a one off...because they are looking to add 5A. They basically already have...but are just calling it “4AA” for now. They have to change the bylaws. But sounds like it’s gonna happen. Just not sure how the classifications are gonna be divided up, or how the playoffs are going to work yet. Should be interesting. The football coaches and AD’s are just going to have to hit the ground running on the scheduling for 2021 and 2022 because of the process being postponed. That’s the only downside to this.
The next realignment process has been delayed a year. The new conferences will still go into effect in the 2021-2022 school year, this just eliminates the “lame duck year.” I like this because enrollment fluctuates and a school may be 3A size when the realignment figures come out, however when the new conferences actually start 2 years later, enrollment may have dropped to 2A size and they are stuck in 3A for at least 2 years...usually 4. Case in point...Burns...thankfully we were able to move down this year but I digress. Now this might just be a one off...because they are looking to add 5A. They basically already have...but are just calling it “4AA” for now. They have to change the bylaws. But sounds like it’s gonna happen. Just not sure how the classifications are gonna be divided up, or how the playoffs are going to work yet. Should be interesting. The football coaches and AD’s are just going to have to hit the ground running on the scheduling for 2021 and 2022 because of the process being postponed. That’s the only downside to this.
6 divisions make more sense with no dividing to A & AA in the playoffs !
My guess is yes. Can’t see them turning away all the money they raise in 3 more football state finals (if anything, they’ll add 2 more and make more money). Maybe they’ll look at separating charter schools/non-traditional schools as a classification, but I doubt it.
NCGA won't allow them to put the charters and non-traditonal in their own division. Can't touch Phil Berger's money pit.
Que Tucker’s intent is to have five playoff categories, with no subdividing, according to the article. Time will tell.
Yeah, something close to that. I can see the 2a going up closer to 800. In the ADM's in the fall there were around 52 schools with enrollments at 1800+. I'd say they'd probably drop the largest 5A number a little to around 1600ish. That'd put the guestamated classes:
1A - less than 500
2A - 500-800
3A - 800-1200
4A - 1200-1600
5A - 1600+
Again, that's a very rough guess just quickly scanning through last fall's ADM's. They will have somewhere in the neighborhood of 80-90 schools per classification.
People do not understand that the charter issue is not something that is truly controled by the NCHSAA. It is greater forces. Remember the house legislature changed a conference membership setup about nine years ago and did not even notify the NCHSAA about the change. It was hidden in a bill and voted on first thing in the morning.
I expect 1A and 5A to have a smaller number of teams. I have said it for years five classifications does not work well with an even split of teams in each class. Not fair to the smallest schools in those two classifications much more so than in the middle classes.
The NCHSAA admin wants less champions in football and less teams in the playoffs. They requested 1A and 4A to drop to four rounds two years ago moving from 64 to 32 teams. The schools were adamantly against it and 48 was settled on with the first round byes. The admin had also brought up the four rounds with 1A schools before when all but eight of the football playing schools were making the playoffs. The schools actually brought up having three 1A state champions.
That is a football subdividing issue. The only option would be to deem what schools are big and small based on all schools instead of doing it by the teams that qualify. I expect there would be some outrage from some very weak teams come playoff time that had a better record and possibly beat a team that qualified but was in the other subdivision.
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To be honest 5A should be 2000+ and those schools are going to be in Charlotte and Raleigh areas with a few exceptions.
As I said a 1A 2A 3A 4A 5A & 6A with no dividing to A & AA in the playoffs ! 5 divisions SUX and it is better the way it is now. or 6 divisions. Getting rid of the charter schools/non-traditional schools would be a better first step !
Six is great for football but not so much for the other sports. There is good parity in non football sports with four classifications.
The big question on your last sentence is what is a "non traditional" school? A lot of people think it is any school that allows students live outside the geographical district to play sports with a very few exceptions.
Schools like Forsyth Co. Open enrollment private schools that have no boundaries or if you want to call them advantaged schools that can do what public schools can't.The same thing that has been complained about for as many as 15 years. It has now become almost Taboo to talk about.
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I saw one state moves any school up a classification that has 3% students out of county. I would like to see it for district not county.
2000 would make for some travel issues. 2 in Forsyth County over that figure and probably 2 In GSO. So those 4 schools hit the road to CLT or Raleigh. I’m thinking more along 1800, which is about 4AA.
But you’re right, outside those 4, the rest probably does reside in Charlotte and Raleigh.
It all depends on if they want to split things evenly at 20% across the board or not. That split would probably drop the 5A number lower (more like 1600). If they keep it at 1800 or 2000 that would put 5A around 14-15% of the total membership, give or take.
I wouldn't be shocked if 1A and 5A less schools than the other 3.
1-0-500
2-501-900
3-901-1300
4-1301-1800
5-1800+
1-0-500
2-501-900
3-901-1300
4-1301-1800
5-1800+
With all of the charter schools anything less than 20% even split will drop the 1A cutoff. A 15% or 17% cutoff could swing the 1A cutoff number down to 400-450
The goal is to have less separation in school size in the classifications which is a major issue in the largest and smallest classifications. This will lead 1A and 5A to a much smaller percentage of the schools in these two classes.
Remember, they most likely will base the classifications on football playing schools and then add the non football playing ones after the classes are set. Would expect 500 or a little more to be the largest 1A school.
The NCHSAA will have options for the schools next school year to review. They are already having communication with the schools asking for opinions and ideas.
Remember, they most likely will base the classifications on football playing schools and then add the non football playing ones after the classes are set. Would expect 500 or a little more to be the largest 1A school.
The NCHSAA will have options for the schools next school year to review. They are already having communication with the schools asking for opinions and ideas.
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The number I saw was about 520 cutoff for 1A which is 12.5% of the football schools. That would make me think 1A and 5A at 12.5%. 25% for 2A-4A. That lines up closely with the small 1A football playoffs and 4AA football playoffs. I think we will see 1A and 5A not subdivide. The NCHSAA admin would like to have five football champions (I can only hope!!!!) but I expect 2A through 4A to subdivide football playoffs as their percentage numbers will be the same (25%) as they had been until the 2017 season. All conjecture on my part but it comes into focus a bit. Then again we may get a huge curveball.
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In that case, in the East Central 2A, Wallace-Rose Hill, Midway, Goldsboro, James Kenan and Spring Creek will be 2A, Clinton and East Duplin will be 3A.
Or why doesn't the NCHSAA do like other states and have classifications for each sport: 5A for football and traditional 1A-4A for the other sports?
That has been one of the options presented in the past. Very little, if any, support from the schools. I have always thought this would solve a lot of logistical and geographical issues.
Bet Swain and Murphy scrambling for some early college . That was joke . This will mean we back to 2a . Be interested to see the line and I like it 8 is too many . But 4 is too little . 6 is perfect in my mind