a PG and 2 more scholarship players- and this bunch would make the NIT
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If we had a great PG we might be better against the press, because this team simply doesn't know how to do it without one. We leave our ball handler by himself with nobody to take a pass or set picks, leaving only horrible passing angles.
Not sure about the NIT this year even with a few of our injured players, just due to the inexperience of some of our guys. But Ware, Sword, and Thomas are a solid core if we can add some more pieces and one or more of those guys could develop into stars.
Not sure about the NIT this year even with a few of our injured players, just due to the inexperience of some of our guys. But Ware, Sword, and Thomas are a solid core if we can add some more pieces and one or more of those guys could develop into stars.
Have these announcers not called a MS state game this year? They just cant let go of the fact we have 8 players? By now, I figured they would have received the memo.
No way. State had 28 turnovers and gave up 96 points tonight. That's a lot of 17ing points for a team that can only practice defense right now. Need a shooting coach. That's the only way out of this black **** hole we are in is to be able to shoot better than the other team. Good luck with that. I can basically guarantee the 6 new guys we're adding next year can't shoot for **** either. So how do we beat teams if we turn the ball over constantly, have a sieve in the middle of our defense looser than Jenna Jamison's roast beef and shoot worse than Ollie from Hoosiers? We don't. We lose. Bad. Over and over again. I will say this about Ray's team. Not once have I seen them pouting or getting on twitter and blasting the fans or walking up the court aka Renardo Triple Tits Sidney or any of that ****. That's something atleast. Oh and Stansbury got pissed on at Bud Walton last time he coached there too.
You know you are my dog but.... By the time you reach college, you have developed a shot. You are either a shooter or a scorer. There is no such thing as a shooting coach. I have a better stroke than Bloodman, and you know this. Let RR recruit a couple years, and trust the system. I trust him more than i trust Mullen. Fact.
You can shoot better than all but Steele probably but with the ball leaving your hand around your neck it will get blocked 3 times before it hits the ground again. Once by the defender twice by your own face and the third time by Bucky Freezus teeth laughing in the stands. Haha I kid! Oh and there most certainly is a "shooting coach" position. It's used by NBA teams and if it's good enough for them than it's good enough for MSU.
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I like a coach who wears his emotions on his sleeve. RR has that. He holds kids accountable. I loved seeing him jerk Sword right before half. I know, I know, he was preventing him from getting a foul, but it seemed like he chewed his *** for being a tard with the basketball.
Why do you feel you have to defend Rick Ray everytime we get our tails whipped?
Are you really defending yourself and your obnoxious posting about firing Stansbury the past two previous years? We watch the games. We know whats going on. We don't need your point of view every time. I am all about supporting Coach Ray but you just make it very hard to come out here and read the Six Pack.<O
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Are you really defending yourself and your obnoxious posting about firing Stansbury the past two previous years? We watch the games. We know whats going on. We don't need your point of view every time. I am all about supporting Coach Ray but you just make it very hard to come out here and read the Six Pack.<O
></O>I've been watching MSU since Joe Dan Gold,and so far Ray hasn't shown Me ****. Hustle is all you can brag about?? ****** Pg, Big Men that can't get a shot off and can't defend the post. Sword and Thomas are the only SEC quality players we have. Hell, they are freshmen. Memo to Rick hold the 17ing ball till the shot clock runs down and then shoot. Maybe we won't get demolished by all-time highs.All Jalen can do is shoot, if he hustles and plays defense He loses His legs then He can't even shoot. We can write Basketball off as something fun to watch for the next few years. Are we actually acting HAPPY because we might make the NIT, next year if we sign 3 playrs that can actually play? It is a monumental Cluster.
I would like for you and onewoof to please describe in detail
exactly how Ray is supposed to teach they guys how to properly break a press and then have them practice it with only 8 healthy players? Then, I would like for you and onewoof to please describe in detail exactly how Ray is supposed to teach the 2 post players currently on the team, and not injured, how to play proper post defense, both on the ball and help side, and have them practice it with only 2 non-injured post players on the roster?
This list of demands could go on and on, but I'll stop there and wait for your expert reports.
And then when we do not get anything from either of you that even remotely resembles a proper answer to these questions, we will all take a pen and go ahead and trace over the already penciled in fact that you don't have any idea what the 17 you're talking about.
exactly how Ray is supposed to teach they guys how to properly break a press and then have them practice it with only 8 healthy players? Then, I would like for you and onewoof to please describe in detail exactly how Ray is supposed to teach the 2 post players currently on the team, and not injured, how to play proper post defense, both on the ball and help side, and have them practice it with only 2 non-injured post players on the roster?
This list of demands could go on and on, but I'll stop there and wait for your expert reports.
And then when we do not get anything from either of you that even remotely resembles a proper answer to these questions, we will all take a pen and go ahead and trace over the already penciled in fact that you don't have any idea what the 17 you're talking about.
Understand ...
We have limited numbers. Also, understand we don't have a true PG out there but please explain "why" Ray can't teach more than that one inbounds play? You know ... the one where we throw it into the guard who imediately gets trapped in the corner. No motion, no screen, no help.
How can a coach get mad at the execution when that is the ONLY inbounds play they run?
We have limited numbers. Also, understand we don't have a true PG out there but please explain "why" Ray can't teach more than that one inbounds play? You know ... the one where we throw it into the guard who imediately gets trapped in the corner. No motion, no screen, no help.
How can a coach get mad at the execution when that is the ONLY inbounds play they run?
why
why don't you eat **** and run rabbits. Whose fault is if you run off 1/3 of your team? Then practice them so hard they get injured? He came into a bad situation but He made it worse. I'm glad you are all warm and fuzzy about Rick but it will only get worse. Getting beat by 30 most games this year against a piss-poor SEC will cause more apathy in our Basketball program. Rick had a chance to recruit some players. The boy from Scooba is all he has to show for it. Hell Kamphus and Kilcline would be stars on this team.
He can find players to scrimage against.That is a ****** excuse.Way to throw reference to ball and help side in your post, i guess that makes you look like you know what the 17 you are talking about.
As I expected, you answered neither of my questions and proved that you don't have a 17ing clue what you are talking about.
So let me see if I have your argument straight:
1. Ray should never kick off players who mess up repeatedly? (that seemed to work splendidly with players like Renardo and Kodi)
2. Ray should never have tough practices because hard work = injuries? (I guess you subscribe to the Allen Iverson school of thought that practice does not actually make perfect)
3. Ray should take some classes from Chris Angel and pull some basketball players out of a hat so he has enough players to scrimmage with? (oh wait, I'm sure you figure the Sanderson and frat houses are just crawling with legit bball players)
You're right, I used the terms "ball and helpside" in my post just so I could act like an internet tough guy who knows what he's talking about. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to determine that you don't know what you are talking about. At least I posed some questions and attempt to rationally provide answers, instead of just being a dubmass.
At least our current coach appears to have a team full of players who have actually bought in to what he wants to do. We haven't had that in 10 years. We will see in the next couple of years what he can do with a full team.
So let me see if I have your argument straight:
1. Ray should never kick off players who mess up repeatedly? (that seemed to work splendidly with players like Renardo and Kodi)
2. Ray should never have tough practices because hard work = injuries? (I guess you subscribe to the Allen Iverson school of thought that practice does not actually make perfect)
3. Ray should take some classes from Chris Angel and pull some basketball players out of a hat so he has enough players to scrimmage with? (oh wait, I'm sure you figure the Sanderson and frat houses are just crawling with legit bball players)
You're right, I used the terms "ball and helpside" in my post just so I could act like an internet tough guy who knows what he's talking about. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to determine that you don't know what you are talking about. At least I posed some questions and attempt to rationally provide answers, instead of just being a dubmass.
At least our current coach appears to have a team full of players who have actually bought in to what he wants to do. We haven't had that in 10 years. We will see in the next couple of years what he can do with a full team.
yep...I can just picture these two talking on the old black, rotary phones bitching about Ray
Thanks for your 2 bits worth of dumbass reply
Anyone that can't see the cluster17 of our Basketball team is in DE Nile(not the river asshat). I know you were a Stan hater, but this doesn't have Jackshit to do with Stan. This is about RR having a chance and looking lost and His team (My Team) getting beat like a rented MUle. The best of this year is over and it will get worse. All any team has to do is put pressure on Us and here comes 25 turnovers. Let's all praise Ray for our teams hustle as we are looking like **** on a stick. Before this season is over the hustle will be hard to come by.
you take a black rotary phone and stick it up your Guru wanna be ***. The stupid **** you post is laughable.
Anyone that can't see the cluster17 of our Basketball team is in DE Nile(not the river asshat). I know you were a Stan hater, but this doesn't have Jackshit to do with Stan. This is about RR having a chance and looking lost and His team (My Team) getting beat like a rented MUle. The best of this year is over and it will get worse. All any team has to do is put pressure on Us and here comes 25 turnovers. Let's all praise Ray for our teams hustle as we are looking like **** on a stick. Before this season is over the hustle will be hard to come by.
you take a black rotary phone and stick it up your Guru wanna be ***. The stupid **** you post is laughable.
1. Ray wishes he had a Kodi. Damn man Kodi had an excellent SR. season.
2.I think Rick should get a Player half-as good as Iverson. Iverson never had a problem while at Georgetown.
3.There are enough basketball players in Starkville to play 5 on 5. He has ten.
4. Yep they have bought in to 25 turnovers a game and getting shots packed in their face. While Hog sit up in the stands and laught their *** off. I'll bet you loved Sly Croom and thought his ******** was great also.
2.I think Rick should get a Player half-as good as Iverson. Iverson never had a problem while at Georgetown.
3.There are enough basketball players in Starkville to play 5 on 5. He has ten.
4. Yep they have bought in to 25 turnovers a game and getting shots packed in their face. While Hog sit up in the stands and laught their *** off. I'll bet you loved Sly Croom and thought his ******** was great also.
hahahahahahahahahahaha- you mad?
This team is much more enjoyable to watch and support than any of the last 5 teams Stands had- they actually run a motion offense with movement included, hustle, and represent the school well. They will be much better next season once the the injured players and new recruits join.
It takes a season or two to rebuild when the former coach burns the program to the ground. Much like fans did with Cohen- get your bitching in now while you can- down the road Coach Ray is going to make you look like an idiot. Hell, Ray even has Richard Williams as an advisor now...
[FONT=Tahoma, Calibri, Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif]The last 5 years of Stans wasn't entirely bad. Winning the SEC tournament with Jarvis was nice, winning the Preseason NIT was nice, Jamont hitting the 3 vs UK in the SEC tournament to take it to OT and then beating them was nice (might be over 5 years), beating Vandy at Vandy last year was nice too but too many unmet expectations and too many problem players to overcome. Also Stansbury standing like Tyler Russell and *** clapping without any coaching whatsoever the whole game didn't help neither did his non-existent strength program or complete lack of discipline.
I only ask to see hustle the whole game (already being met) and improved shooting from Ray's team this year. Oh and less than 20 turnovers a game and to keep the opponent under 70 points. That's not too much to ask for a 1st year coach is it?
Next year I want to see all those that I already mentioned plus Ray busting his *** to land 2 top 100 players. He doesn't necessarily have to land them but he needs to be in the final 3. We have 3 spots open after next year, Borchert, Steele and Lewis. Ray must get 4* players and up with these 3 spots or we aren't even treading water. Sorry but it's a cutthroat business and he has over a year to get it done. No excuses. Just get the talent. [/FONT]
I only ask to see hustle the whole game (already being met) and improved shooting from Ray's team this year. Oh and less than 20 turnovers a game and to keep the opponent under 70 points. That's not too much to ask for a 1st year coach is it?
Next year I want to see all those that I already mentioned plus Ray busting his *** to land 2 top 100 players. He doesn't necessarily have to land them but he needs to be in the final 3. We have 3 spots open after next year, Borchert, Steele and Lewis. Ray must get 4* players and up with these 3 spots or we aren't even treading water. Sorry but it's a cutthroat business and he has over a year to get it done. No excuses. Just get the talent. [/FONT]
Again, watch the number of points a decent forward or center can do against us. Defense isn't rocket science. I fully admit our defense and our rebounding is better than it was, but its inconsistent.
We are mentally weak and play defeated when we get down by a few points. We totally lose our composure and make beyond idiotic plays.
The team is more enjoyable to watch, but they quit too easy and make too many stupid mistakes and that is on the coach. Play hard and smart for 40 minutes, even if you only have 8 players.
It's going to take a few years.
We are mentally weak and play defeated when we get down by a few points. We totally lose our composure and make beyond idiotic plays.
The team is more enjoyable to watch, but they quit too easy and make too many stupid mistakes and that is on the coach. Play hard and smart for 40 minutes, even if you only have 8 players.
It's going to take a few years.
You still never answered my original questions. I wonder why? Oh, no actually its obvious why. You don't know what the 17 your are talking about.
I'm glad I didn't misrepresent your arguments. Because those have to be the worst argument points I have ever seen, though judging from your posts in this thread, they are probably at the top of your potential. I suppose you would rather we have a team that buys into fighting with one another in the stands on national tv? Hmmm, that sounds familiar. Then perhaps one of the team captains could get kicked off the team instead of the cancer stick that started the fight? Seems that I've seen that movie before. It ended splendidly.
Let's address your 17tard points for a second:
1. I'm sure he would to. Unfortunately, his predecessor had already run off all the upper-classmen before he even arrived. What's that you say? You don't think that's true? You think that Zeidaks and Shuan Smith should be on the team? Have you forgotten that Zeidaks first game for us would have been a couple of weeks ago? Have you forgotten that Smith was injured his entire career and even when he wasn't he couldn't get on the floor? I suppose you are fine with players breaking team rules and not being punished for it? You know, you didn't even address my actual question on this point. But coming from you, that's unsurprising.
2. Yes, that's the solution. Let's go get a bunch of players with Iverson's talent. Jesus, what a stupid 17ing statement. Name one player with Iverson's talent we've ever had? I guess you can put Dampier into that category, but that's about it.
3. Really? Where are they?
4. Why does enjoying having guys that at least play hard after 10 years of watching talented players play with zero respect for their coach, mean that I enjoyed Croom? Its amazing how good you are at making arguments.
How about you provide us some actual insight into why we are so bad this year, and show us how it is Ray's fault that we are in this position? I'll eagerly await your reply about how Ray goes around at night snapping his own player's ACLs, and how Kentucky's entire signing class would have come to MSU if we hadn't hired Ray.
I'm glad I didn't misrepresent your arguments. Because those have to be the worst argument points I have ever seen, though judging from your posts in this thread, they are probably at the top of your potential. I suppose you would rather we have a team that buys into fighting with one another in the stands on national tv? Hmmm, that sounds familiar. Then perhaps one of the team captains could get kicked off the team instead of the cancer stick that started the fight? Seems that I've seen that movie before. It ended splendidly.
Let's address your 17tard points for a second:
1. I'm sure he would to. Unfortunately, his predecessor had already run off all the upper-classmen before he even arrived. What's that you say? You don't think that's true? You think that Zeidaks and Shuan Smith should be on the team? Have you forgotten that Zeidaks first game for us would have been a couple of weeks ago? Have you forgotten that Smith was injured his entire career and even when he wasn't he couldn't get on the floor? I suppose you are fine with players breaking team rules and not being punished for it? You know, you didn't even address my actual question on this point. But coming from you, that's unsurprising.
2. Yes, that's the solution. Let's go get a bunch of players with Iverson's talent. Jesus, what a stupid 17ing statement. Name one player with Iverson's talent we've ever had? I guess you can put Dampier into that category, but that's about it.
3. Really? Where are they?
4. Why does enjoying having guys that at least play hard after 10 years of watching talented players play with zero respect for their coach, mean that I enjoyed Croom? Its amazing how good you are at making arguments.
How about you provide us some actual insight into why we are so bad this year, and show us how it is Ray's fault that we are in this position? I'll eagerly await your reply about how Ray goes around at night snapping his own player's ACLs, and how Kentucky's entire signing class would have come to MSU if we hadn't hired Ray.
I don't really disagree with you on this. But I think a lot of that can be attributed to youth and the guys simply being worn down due to the lack of depth. Like I keep saying, we won't really see what Ray can do until next year. Anyone arguing otherwise is either plain dumb or pushing a different agenda.
Without even bothering to look... I would venture to say that season ticket sales, attendance, and TV viewership figures would highly disagree with you
Nowdays most D1 team are young. Youth doesn't bother Kentucky. We play 8 players, many teams only play 8. Richard Williams only played 8 players . If you don't want to get wore out then slow the 17 down. Use the shot clock to your advantage. Most teams with lesser talent shorten the game. Look I hope that Ray is the real deal, but so far I don't see it. He recruited a 6'11'' African who sits on the bench alot of the time at His High School, that to Me that is troublesome.At 6'11 he should be dominating in HS is he hopes to be a SEC player. I have to believe half the JUCO Pgs starting in Ms. are as good or better than ours. With Wes Flanigan , we should have better PG play. Ray isn't playing any player over 30 minutes now, so fatigue shouldn't be a factor. Sorry, i am not trying to be an ******* but watching this team makes my *** suck buttermilk.
Ha, Ha, Ha, who would get Mad over a message Board? I'll agree some of what you say comes to pass, but you say so much **** the law of averages helps you out. Hell, I was on board with Cohen from day 1, I hated Croom from day 1. Having Dick as an advisor is a good thing?? Hope he doesn't listen on pomgirl advice. **** yes, I've used many black (even pink and yellow) rotary phones, and your point was? If you really want creds as a Message Board Guru lose some of your smart assyness. I do like reading your post, sometimes for comic relief. So if you get tired of MB guruing try some stand up.
Seriously? It's year one of a rookie head coach, depleted roster, and tons of injuries. Pull back on the reigns a bit there Tonto.