andapparently youare ****** too, and don't care about getting better. I play with guys who shoot 70's and lower 80's on states course all the time.
Alright, what is the best you ever shot at State.
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It took me 2 years at State to finally break 100 and I haven't shot over 100 in well over 3 years. Counting penalty shots and no mulligans, BTW. I know guys who played golf in Juco and have played with a few PGM majors and know it takes daily practice and lessons for YEARS to be able to break 80, especially on State's course. <div>
</div><div>I just know everyone who has told me they have shot a 74 or so on that course and I actually had a chance to play with them have been complete and utter disappointments because counting all the mulligans and penalty shots they didn't, would have shot well into the mid 80s. </div><div>
</div><div>The PGM majors I know who could probably shoot consistently in the mid to upper 70s (but didn't when I played with them), but they practice and play every single day and HAVE to get better, and I don't have that kind of time to dedicate to a hobby that I do for fun. </div>
</div><div>I just know everyone who has told me they have shot a 74 or so on that course and I actually had a chance to play with them have been complete and utter disappointments because counting all the mulligans and penalty shots they didn't, would have shot well into the mid 80s. </div><div>
</div><div>The PGM majors I know who could probably shoot consistently in the mid to upper 70s (but didn't when I played with them), but they practice and play every single day and HAVE to get better, and I don't have that kind of time to dedicate to a hobby that I do for fun. </div>
drt7891 said:
I enrolled at State the PGM program was rated #1 in the entire Nation. There were only 4 schools that offered this major. Ferris State (in Michigan), Penn State, New Mexico State and MSU. Since then more schools have added the major. Coming out of high school I was a 2 handicap and enrolled at MSU from way out of state because of this major, the weather and because MSU is an SEC school. My freshman PGM class had 72 students and only 2 were from Mississippi. We had students from Scotland, Ireland, several New York, California, Connecticut, Wisconsin, Ohio etc... in this class and ALL of them were 5 or less handicapps. You had to be less than a 5 to even be accepted in the program. Shooting under 80 is not difficult at all and to stay in the program you had to pass your playing test which was a 2 round score of 76-76 or better.
I am a very good short iron player and State plays to that strength with short par 4's and only one long par 3. I used to be erratic with the driver so I would take three wood on every hole except 3,6,7,11,12,and 18. Most times I found the fairway most times I was out between 90 and 140 yards which I expected to get within 20 feet of the cup. Hence lots of pars and the occasional birdie on these holes. As long as you stay away from left on 6,7,9,10,14 and right on 12 there isn't a lot of danger out there. So for a decent golfer anything over double is bad game planning. Look, the best I ever rolled in bowling is like a 120, I suck at pool, can't hit a baseball or a 3 pointer worth a ****. But I can throw a good spiral, was pretty good at volleyball, and can stick a Gap Wedge from 115. Everybody has a different skill set.
ask someone what they normally shoot on State's course and they say "O, I normally shoot in the low 80s and upper 70s." We meet up and play, and they tweak their score to show they shot that, but in reality, they didn't. They can hit the ball a mile, but never straight, but that's ok, they just don't count that first drive and tee off again until it goes straight. Hit it in the water? No problem, just drop the ball by the hazard and pretend it didn't go in. Maybe not add that 3 putt because their second putt was "close enough to the hole." After all the missed penalties and do-overs, they would have shot in the mid to upper 80s at LEAST.<div>
</div><div>I consistently shoot in the mid 90s out there... and I'm ok with that, because I'm not a golfer and don't claim to be. I picked it up in high school as a way to go out and enjoy the weather and have tried to keep accurate scores so I know exactly what my handicap is, which isn't super, but I know plenty who play worse. Golf is not an easy sport at all, as a matter of fact, it's one of the toughest sports to get good at, and it takes years of practice and lessons to be able to play consistently on a competitive level. I go out during afternoons and weekends where I don't have other stuff going on and go enjoy myself. </div>
</div><div>I consistently shoot in the mid 90s out there... and I'm ok with that, because I'm not a golfer and don't claim to be. I picked it up in high school as a way to go out and enjoy the weather and have tried to keep accurate scores so I know exactly what my handicap is, which isn't super, but I know plenty who play worse. Golf is not an easy sport at all, as a matter of fact, it's one of the toughest sports to get good at, and it takes years of practice and lessons to be able to play consistently on a competitive level. I go out during afternoons and weekends where I don't have other stuff going on and go enjoy myself. </div>
If you have been playing the game for more than 2 or 3 years, play the same course several times a week, and still can't break 85 then you should just load up the cooler full of beer and stop keeping score. Most students get memberships, especially at State where its dirt cheap. I love it when people assume that there are no really good golfers in the world just because their playing partners and them are terrible.
to shoot under 80. Stop playing rounds for a month and only practice shots from 150yds and in and you will lower your average score by 8-10 shots very quickly. Nobody wants to practice chipping and putting but if you can consistently get in the hole in 2-3 shots from within 150yds on every hole you will be surprised how much better you shoot.
because of jackasses you play with. I would rather play with someone like you than someone much better that lies about a score and then puts it against mine. I keep score hell I had a 9 on a par five last weekend because I hit a fried egg out of a trap over the green OB so I had to hit that shot again with a stroke and distance penalty added to it. I shot a 90 that day, the day before on a harder course I shot an 83. Some days it just happens like that.
My problem is I will either have a good day driving the ball and a piss poor day with my mid range irons, and a decent day in chipping and putting. Or, have a bad day driving the ball, but a really good day chipping. It varies from hole to hole. I can birdie one hole and turn around and double bogey the next hole. It's consistency. The only way to get consistent is to play more. I mark down actual scores, too... which is what most people don't do. I blow a drive on 7 and hit it in the woods, I'll take a drop and mark a penalty. I hit a bad shot, I mark it. <div>
</div><div>My best round ever is an 86 and I still had a pretty rough day. It didn't feel like I shot the ball that well. I just know way too many people who ******** about how well they golf... and I also know a few people who are really good at the game and practice every single day. Unless you are retired or don't have a job, I don't know many people who can play more than once a week... and I know that just isn't good enough to shoot even in the low 80's consistently. </div>
</div><div>My best round ever is an 86 and I still had a pretty rough day. It didn't feel like I shot the ball that well. I just know way too many people who ******** about how well they golf... and I also know a few people who are really good at the game and practice every single day. Unless you are retired or don't have a job, I don't know many people who can play more than once a week... and I know that just isn't good enough to shoot even in the low 80's consistently. </div>
Lol. One time I was even par going into the final hole. Shot a 10 on it without a penalty stroke. **** happensmcdawg22 said:
The average score of the PGM majors at their weekly tournaments is around 84 to 85. That is counting every drop, every re-tee, putting everything out, etc. In my 4 years of working at that course, ONE PGM guy has shot sub-70. These guys play the course everyday, have top notch equipment, get free range balls, and can use the training room and software in McCool Hall anytime they want.We hosted a JUCO tournament just a few weeks back, not a single score was recorded even or under par.
By contrast, though, most of the PGM guys are northerners or from out west and they use the PGM program thinking they get to go to school to play golf. They soak up mommy and daddy's money til they cut them off for flunking their real classes. Most of them don't return for their sophomore year. And a great bulk of the restnever get good enough to pass the PAT so they just get their degree in marketing and move on. So, these guys are the best golfers. But I do find it hard to believe that with everything at their disposal, seemingly every poster on this board has posted a better score at our course than most all of these guys.
I'm not saying that guys are on this board are pencil-pushers, but, I doubt the scored being reported by the guys on here are playing every ball down, counting drops, and putting out all their knee-knockers.
I've played that golf course probably 200 times. My low is an 84. That's counting every single stroke as deemed under the PGA Rulebook. We sell them in the shop if anyone wants a copy.
Super Bulldog Weekend come on out, we are having a huge sale.
By contrast, though, most of the PGM guys are northerners or from out west and they use the PGM program thinking they get to go to school to play golf. They soak up mommy and daddy's money til they cut them off for flunking their real classes. Most of them don't return for their sophomore year. And a great bulk of the restnever get good enough to pass the PAT so they just get their degree in marketing and move on. So, these guys are the best golfers. But I do find it hard to believe that with everything at their disposal, seemingly every poster on this board has posted a better score at our course than most all of these guys.
I'm not saying that guys are on this board are pencil-pushers, but, I doubt the scored being reported by the guys on here are playing every ball down, counting drops, and putting out all their knee-knockers.
I've played that golf course probably 200 times. My low is an 84. That's counting every single stroke as deemed under the PGA Rulebook. We sell them in the shop if anyone wants a copy.
Super Bulldog Weekend come on out, we are having a huge sale.
Have friends in PGM though and the best Ive seen is 68.
Interesting story- my dad played with John Daly there when he had just left Arkansas. Said he was the longest hitter he'd ever seen (obviously) and drove the green on 1 and hit the old 18 in 2, which was damn near impossible back in the day.
ETA the 68 was by Alex Rocha
Interesting story- my dad played with John Daly there when he had just left Arkansas. Said he was the longest hitter he'd ever seen (obviously) and drove the green on 1 and hit the old 18 in 2, which was damn near impossible back in the day.
ETA the 68 was by Alex Rocha
I've never played yall's course. It sounds like a tough one and this thread really makes me want to play it next time Im in Starkville
I could hit current 16, old 7 in two from the tips 2 out of 3 times I played. Its an easy driving hole. Take a nice draw down the middle pulling it back to thte left. Approach is an easy shot for a draw player with a wood as the green/fairway kicks to the left. Bailout in the bunker if it doesn't turn. Front left pin position is prime for eagle/birdie. Like I said before...old 18 was the toughest finishing hole of any course I have played. New 18 is brutal if the tee is all the way back and the pin is back left. Had a 4 hcp in college with the great deals students could get...play to a 14 now with my once a month game.
drt7891 said:
and if you play 5 rounds a month that is 20 hours. I challenge you for this next month to instead of playing 20 hours of golf take those 20 hours and do nothing but practice shots from 150yds and in and chipping and putting. Do this for one month and then go play a round of 18. I bet your score will be close to 80 or better. Do it.
Another guy was the MSU grad who played in the Masters last year. I'm sure it's been done a few more times than being reported, but 610 from the tips is almost impossible for joe blow to reach in 2. From the tips, I have only shot par on that hole a handful of times. Surprisingly it was just a crazy long hole, but not that hard (it is currently harder now than it was when it was long... the approach is much tougher with the bunkers guarding the green)... the hardest par 5 on the course is hole 7.
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Has always been a par 4, so you were a hoss if you could eagle/birdie it consistently. That's a 420 yard drive for an eagle putt.
It was 655 from the tips when i was a student. You couldnt hit a wood for your second shot unless you could hit a high draw. Was usually a driver, 5 iron, and then a 5 or 6 to the green. Its 200 in from the dogleg. I also heard the story of Daly hitting it in two. I remember watching him at TPC Southwind driving it over the tree on number one there. Damnedest thing I have ever seen.<div>
</div><div>Unless they have moved the tee WAY back on 7 its not a tough hole. Small green but very receptive. I always felt it was the easiest hole on the course with new 3 being the hardest given its length and the uphill tee shot.</div>
</div><div>Unless they have moved the tee WAY back on 7 its not a tough hole. Small green but very receptive. I always felt it was the easiest hole on the course with new 3 being the hardest given its length and the uphill tee shot.</div>
Like I said....when i was a student, 98-02, 7 was a par 5 with water right in front of the tee to the right with trees left. There was the big lake to the left, but really wasn't in play off the tee unless you really pulled it. Water came into play on your second shot if you pulled it. Its a 50 yard wide fairway, so plenty of leeway to play it middle/left with a draw. Approach was a long iron/wood with a nice draw starting right of the greenside bunker. Don't want to be above the pin b/c coming back down the hill from left to right was brutal. 8 was a ***** of par 3 (short), but if the pin was in the back and you left it short and right on the green you were screwed. 9 was a postage stamp green, hard as rock and you were dead if you missed the green long or left.
The current 16 is a par 4 with a pond protecting the green to the front. The current 7 is the exact same7you played in your day.
Though I can outdrive every mother 17er on this board. That's what it's all about anyway.
If not for Cohen, I may never have picked up a golf club. I'd still be pitching.
If not for Cohen, I may never have picked up a golf club. I'd still be pitching.
Back to the original layout. So 7 is indeed a par 5. But when you said old 7 new 16 you made me think you were talking about the current 16. When in actuality you were referring to the old 7 which turned into 16 for a few years and is now back to the current 7. Follow me? Haha
Basically, the golf course layout the way it was when you were in school through 2002 is the same layout we use now. From 2003 to early 2007 they switched the back and front. Then they changed it back to the way it is now. So when you said "new 16" I thought you meant the way it is now. 16 now is the same 16 from when you were in school. And 7 now is the same 7, tee shot over small pond, woods to the left, big pond on left affecting your approach shot, algae covered cart path, etc.
This is tough to explain. But I think I got it.
Simple misunderstanding of two separate generations of student golfers.
Basically, the golf course layout the way it was when you were in school through 2002 is the same layout we use now. From 2003 to early 2007 they switched the back and front. Then they changed it back to the way it is now. So when you said "new 16" I thought you meant the way it is now. 16 now is the same 16 from when you were in school. And 7 now is the same 7, tee shot over small pond, woods to the left, big pond on left affecting your approach shot, algae covered cart path, etc.
This is tough to explain. But I think I got it.
Simple misunderstanding of two separate generations of student golfers.
Too lazy to find a link for you but I believe it was top 10. A lot of that has to do with our turf management and PGM programs, I'm sure.
I do know that last year we got some plaque from Golf Digest that says Top-rated course 2011 or something.
I do know that last year we got some plaque from Golf Digest that says Top-rated course 2011 or something.
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Some people can pick up the game and just start playing well and getting better from the start and some practice and get lessons and still struggle. It happens. I have a friend that plays alot and has had lessons and still shoots in the 90's.
And I understand people play golf for YEARS... I get it... but my problem is I personally know what it takes to be a good golfer... I've been playing for 10+ years and have broken 90 a few times (none of which were on the State course), but to tell me that this many people on this board have shot this close to par (A 67???? Why the hell is he not playing in Augusta this weekend?? 74, 75... which was 3 over par until 2 years ago), it HAS to be ********. <div>
</div><div>Maybe you shot a 78... and chances are, I'll never know if you did or not since I have no idea who you are or how well you really play. I will say one time shooting a 78 is a lot more realistic than some of the other numbers claimed. However, I know former Juco players that play 4 or 5 times a week still that say our course is not easy and plays long, especially from the tips, and they have a very hard time breaking 80 (the guys I know will normally shoot in the mid to low 80s). I also know people who have told that exact story and when they actually play and I get to watch them, it's easy to tell they are flat out making numbers up. I still believe some of the numbers on this thread are completely made up.</div>
</div><div>Maybe you shot a 78... and chances are, I'll never know if you did or not since I have no idea who you are or how well you really play. I will say one time shooting a 78 is a lot more realistic than some of the other numbers claimed. However, I know former Juco players that play 4 or 5 times a week still that say our course is not easy and plays long, especially from the tips, and they have a very hard time breaking 80 (the guys I know will normally shoot in the mid to low 80s). I also know people who have told that exact story and when they actually play and I get to watch them, it's easy to tell they are flat out making numbers up. I still believe some of the numbers on this thread are completely made up.</div>
And that guy just made it through Q school this year. I played in a 2 man best ball tournament a month ago where the winning team shot a 61. One player was a 6 the other put down scratch. So #1 why would they lie about ability if it hurts them and #2 How did they convince the strangers they were playing with to let them cheat? Because anybody that shoots lower than 80 is on some tour.
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