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-Surveillance footage from the store was taken by police department for review. Store clerk said he's sure the camera will show the incident.
-store clerk knew sterling and said he never saw him pull a gun.
 

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I have a few questions.

1. Did the cops know of this individual's past prior to arriving on the scene? If not, his background is not relevant to this specific situation.

Highly doubtful, unless his name was given and ran by the cops before their arrival. His background is only brought up to show he has no respect for authority, the law, or other citizens for that matter.

2. If the cops behaved on the up and up why is all of possible footage (sans the cellphone video) missing? The cops removed surveillance footage from inside the store and claimed both officers body cameras fell off.

Footage from the store goes to the cops for the investigation first, not the local news or TMZ.
As for cameras falling off...highly plausible considering the scuffle with the person resisting.


3. Why did these cops react so fearfully and aggressively regarding a gun in an open carry state? A gun that can't be seen at any point in this video?

Probably because it was concealed and that IS against the law.

4. Why do news outlets rush to release any criminality/mugshots they can find on black victims while holding off on releasing the names of the officers? (Eric Garner, Freddie Gray, Sam Dubose etc.) I'm sure these people have pictures a myriad of other places besides there. If the police can wait damn near a month to release Brock Turner's mugshots then damnit they can do that here too.

Due process for the officers, and to stoke the social racial outrage of course.

5. Why will you spend so much time trying to refute these points instead of realizing the grossness of this behavior?
It really didn't take that long, just some common sense and logic.
 
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I have a few questions.

1. Did the cops know of this individual's past prior to arriving on the scene? If not, his background is not relevant to this specific situation.

2. If the cops behaved on the up and up why is all of possible footage (sans the cellphone video) missing? The cops removed surveillance footage from inside the store and claimed both officers body cameras fell off.

3. Why did these cops react so fearfully and aggressively regarding a gun in an open carry state? A gun that can't be seen at any point in this video?

4. Why do news outlets rush to release any criminality/mugshots they can find on black victims while holding off on releasing the names of the officers? (Eric Garner, Freddie Gray, Sam Dubose etc.) I'm sure these people have pictures a myriad of other places besides there. If the police can wait damn near a month to release Brock Turner's mugshots then damnit they can do that here too.

5. Why will you spend so much time trying to refute these points instead of realizing the grossness of this behavior?

Or we wait for the facts to come in, and not rush to take sides. of all of your questions I noticed not one was directed at the criminal being detained (looked to be resisting) and given that reports are surfacing of his criminal ways, seems like common sense would say he wasn't selling cookies for church.

As far as the "open carry" comment, come on.

That guy could have killed someone, shot at a cop, or whatever else and the anti-cop crowd would still say it wasn't justified. The paranoid crowd. Facts aren't part of the equation.
 

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Highly doubtful, unless his name was given and ran by the cops before their arrival. His background is only brought up to show he has no respect for authority, the law, or other citizens for that matter.

That's all I needed to know. You are a sick human. No empathy. So you are ok with a person being killed for lack of respect?
 

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Or we wait for the facts to come in, and not rush to take sides. of all of your questions I noticed not one was directed at the criminal being detained (looked to be resisting) and given that reports are surfacing of his criminal ways, seems like common sense would say he wasn't selling cookies for church.

The store owner stated he granted this person access to his parking lot in order to sell CD's. What is illegal about selling CD's? No one stated they were bootleg. He could have been an aspiring artist. Also, PLEASE tell me how he seems to be resisting here. The video starts with him holding his hands up, the cop then attacks, slams him across a car and onto the ground where a nice fat kneecap was waiting for him. Would you just lay there and be assaulted or would you, at the very least, try and protect your body?


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Missed the last part of your post. In regards to open carry, uh duh! Anyone open carrying can hurt people by shooting them. Doesn't make any one person more or less dangerous. Also, I am not anit-cop. Have cops in the family and my grandfather was a cop. Never shot one person on duty while working in Lexington and Louisville most "dangerous" areas. Gunfights, drug deals, the whole nine. NEVER. DISCHARGED. HIS. WEAPON.
 

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Highly doubtful, unless his name was given and ran by the cops before their arrival. His background is only brought up to show he has no respect for authority, the law, or other citizens for that matter.

That's all I needed to know. You are a sick human. No empathy. So you are ok with a person being killed for lack of respect?

No, good lord.

It shows the character of the guy, which obviously was dangerous, and it's useful information in these situations. Whether you like it or not, in the real world, your actions mean everything.

When will these guys make a thread over the innocent children being gunned down by thugs instead of this crap? J
 

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The store owner stated he granted this person access to his parking lot in order to sell CD's. What is illegal about selling CD's? No one stated they were bootleg. He could have been an aspiring artist. Also, PLEASE tell me how he seems to be resisting here. The video starts with him holding his hands up, the cop then attacks, slams him across a car and onto the ground where a nice fat kneecap was waiting for him. Would you just lay there and be assaulted or would you, at the very least, try and protect your body?

I don't know what I'd do, because I don't have enough to go on. Police have the authority so half of these cases look rough to people who just simply hate cops or don't understand what they're dealing with.
 

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The store owner stated he granted this person access to his parking lot in order to sell CD's. What is illegal about selling CD's? No one stated they were bootleg. He could have been an aspiring artist. Also, PLEASE tell me how he seems to be resisting here. The video starts with him holding his hands up, the cop then attacks, slams him across a car and onto the ground where a nice fat kneecap was waiting for him. Would you just lay there and be assaulted or would you, at the very least, try and protect your body?


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Missed the last part of your post. In regards to open carry uh duh! Anyone open carrying can hurt people by shooting them. Doesn't make any one person more or less dangerous.

Answers haven't come out, so really anyone can make up stories for one side or the other...

Sure, he could have been an aspiring artist...he could have been slangin dope.

Resisting - he could've been ordered to the ground and chose to stand there and argue...or the cops could've been completely out of line.

you are asking questions that cant be answered right now.
 
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The store owner stated he granted this person access to his parking lot in order to sell CD's. What is illegal about selling CD's? No one stated they were bootleg. He could have been an aspiring artist. Also, PLEASE tell me how he seems to be resisting here. The video starts with him holding his hands up, the cop then attacks, slams him across a car and onto the ground where a nice fat kneecap was waiting for him. Would you just lay there and be assaulted or would you, at the very least, try and protect your body?


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Missed the last part of your post. In regards to open carry, uh duh! Anyone open carrying can hurt people by shooting them. Doesn't make any one person more or less dangerous. Also, I am not anit-cop. Have cops in the family and my grandfather was a cop. Never shot one person on duty while working in Lexington and Louisville most "dangerous" areas. Gunfights, drug deals, the whole nine. NEVER. DISCHARGED. HIS. WEAPON.

Never meant to imply you were anti-cop. What would I do? Hell, my *** would do EVERYTHING the cops told me to do, and not question a thing.
Gotta wait until ALL material is available to make a truly informed decision on the event. I jumped the gun (pun intended) in my original post and said it was cold blooded murder, it still could be, but won't know until all the facts are in.
 

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Highly doubtful, unless his name was given and ran by the cops before their arrival. His background is only brought up to show he has no respect for authority, the law, or other citizens for that matter.

That's all I needed to know. You are a sick human. No empathy. So you are ok with a person being killed for lack of respect?

No, I am not okay with a person being killed for lack of respect, that is ignorant. I am more than okay with NOT putting yourself in a confrontational situation that could escalate extremely quick. I haven't heard any audio or even watched the video yet, but I would be willing to bet he was asked and then told to get on the ground and did not comply...thus escalating the situation further than what it needed to be. Does that excuse him being killed, no.
 

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Love how everyone rushes to judgment without knowing all the facts. Twitter blew up last night.

I don't know what all happened, but if he was reaching for his gun in that situation, the cops have to shoot to kill. If they don't, they are dead.

Also, I could be wrong because I've never been trained as a police officer, but if the cops had been black, I suspect they would have acted the same way.

It looks awful when you view it, but it's early to draw any conclusions or to convict the cops of murder.
 

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Well since we don't know anything yet, let's take the time to look into some true victims, shall we?

Dantrell Davis - shot to death walking to school

Ryan Harris - KIlled riding her bike

Eric Morse - thrown from a building.

Blair Holt - shot and killed by thugs while riding a bus.

Jonylah Watkins - shot and killed while someone aiming for her father in a van.

** all innocent children killed for nothing other than trying to go to school, or a missed shot at someone else. These kids are true victims of "brutality". Where is the outrage? Sean?



These thugs murdered this child over a gang related beef, his name was Tyshaun Lee.

I could go on, and on, and on.

What the people in this thread that immediately take on dead thugs as "victims" need to do, is answer a simple question......

How many threads have you started over these dead kids, because we all know one thing. If one of those three thugs had been killed by a cop, there would be a 10 page thread on it.

Thank god for the police, or there would be more bodies.
 

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To the poster above who said cops shoot more white people - that is correct. However blacks are 12% of the population and account for 49% (or something close to that can't remember exact number) of shooting deaths by cops. So they are definitely shot at a much higher rate than anyone else.

But anyway, with that said, this particular case with the video that I saw looks pretty horrible and pretty much like murder to me. That coupled with the store clerks account of thinking the person was unnecessarily shot. Also in the account I read the cops were there because he was selling CDs, not waving a gun. So it sounds like the whole story isn't out yet.

Yea then you take into account blacks make up 50-60% of crime, and there's your answer. The math has been gone over and rolled over. There is no factual data to support black suppression by police. This is when people against cops usually cite "their feelings" toward it, because theres no math.

To look at it another way, blacks make up huge portions (HUGE) of all crime, yet white people get shot far more. Interesting I know.
 

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No, good lord.

It shows the character of the guy, which obviously was dangerous, and it's useful information in these situations. Whether you like it or not, in the real world, your actions mean everything.

When will these guys make a thread over the innocent children being gunned down by thugs instead of this crap? J

How do you know? Where you there for every single crime they state that he committed. Do you know the facts of those cases. You want folks to wait for facts in this instance so why don't you wait for the facts in his convictions? You cant have it both ways.

In regards to innocent children being gunned down I speak about. You deflect to it. That conversation isn't necessary on this board. What is necessary is schooling you clueless folks on how the police treat black bodies.
 

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Well since we don't know anything yet, let's take the time to look into some true victims, shall we?

Dantrell Davis - shot to death walking to school

Ryan Harris - KIlled riding her bike

Eric Morse - thrown from a building.

Blair Holt - shot and killed by thugs while riding a bus.

Jonylah Watkins - shot and killed while someone aiming for her father in a van.

** all innocent children killed for nothing other than trying to go to school, or a missed shot at someone else. These kids are true victims of "brutality". Where is the outrage? Sean?



These thugs murdered this child over a gang related beef, his name was Tyshaun Lee.

I could go on, and on, and on.

What the people in this thread that immediately take on dead thugs as "victims" need to do, is answer a simple question......

How many threads have you started over these dead kids, because we all know one thing. If one of those three thugs had been killed by a cop, there would be a 10 page thread on it.

Thank god for the police, or there would be more bodies.

You are a concern troll. You don't care about these people anymore than Sterling. You just want to try and find some way that I (or anyone like me who speaks about these injustices) am missing the point. You don't think white "gang members" kill innocent people too. Where's your concern on that?
 

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How do you know? Where you there for every single crime they state that he committed. Do you know the facts of those cases. You want folks to wait for facts in this instance so why don't you wait for the facts in his convictions? You cant have it both ways.

In regards to innocent children being gunned down I speak about. You deflect to it. That conversation isn't necessary on this board. What is necessary is schooling you clueless folks on how the police treat black bodies.


You are disgusting. Those dead kids matter far more than this, regardless.

Were they just not old enough to vote yet so it's pointless?
 

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You are a concern troll. You don't care about these people anymore than Sterling. You just want to try and find some way that I (or anyone like me who speaks about these injustices) am missing the point. You don't think white "gang members" kill innocent people too. Where's your concern on that?

If a cop killed a white gang member I couldn't care less. Let me know all the white people screaming injustice when it happens.

I'm not going to answer the rest, because obviously you don't know me, and don't know what I think toward the dead kids (that are a deflection) to you.
 
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Yea then you take into account blacks make up 50-60% of crime, and there's your answer. The math has been gone over and rolled over. There is no factual data to support black suppression by police. This is when people against cops usually cite "their feelings" toward it, because theres no math.

To look at it another way, blacks make up huge portions (HUGE) of all crime, yet white people get shot far more. Interesting I know.


There is plenty of evidence. Start here and come back when you've finished. We can continue from there.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...eople-are-more-likely-to-get-arrested-for-it/
 

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If a cop killed a white gang member I couldn't care less. Let me know all the white people screaming injustice when it happens.

I'm not going to answer the rest, because obviously you don't know me, and don't know what I think toward the dead kids (that are a deflection) to you.

We are getting off subject. Sterling is not a gang member. Period.
 

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We are getting off subject. Sterling is not a gang member. Period.

No, I think it's right on point.

We don't talk enough about the dead innocents at the hands of "victimized" thugs. Here's yet another thread on supposed police brutality, and nothing on the dead innocents in the black streets.

It's right on subject, just not your preference of death.
 

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can we go ahead and start the debate on gun control? It's already page 2.

If there were no guns, he couldn't have frightened the police.

If there were no police, the black neighborhoods would thrive.

Take the guns, kill the cops, problems solved.
 

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No, I think it's right on point.

We don't talk enough about the dead innocents at the hands of "victimized" thugs. Here's yet another thread on supposed police brutality, and nothing on the dead innocents in the black streets.

It's right on subject, just not your preference of death.

No, you don't talk about it enough. I am perfectly ok with my life and the amount of time I devote to these thoughts. Once again this is concern trolling. God valued every life. You don't. I value the "victimized thug" as you call it and I also value the innocent. Also, what is a black street? Are we all just placed in some large holding area? You folks don't even realize your full and utter ignorance of the situation and the scope of it. I see you casually skipped over that link but ok. haha
 

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Can a convicted Felon carry a gun? It's hard to make out much from that crappy video but the audio tells the story of him refusing to follow orders. That's never going to end for someone. If he had a gun and threatening people with it anyone would of had to approach and handle him as being dangerous.
 
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If there were no guns, he couldn't have frightened the police.

If there were no police, the black neighborhoods would thrive.

Take the guns, kill the cops, problems solved.

This is stupid. No one said this during the discussion.
 

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Can a convicted Felon carry a gun? It's hard to make out much from that crappy video but the audio tells the story of him refusing to follow orders. That's never going to end for someone. If he had a gun and threatening people with it anyone would of had to approach and handle him as being dangerous.

You need to watch again sir. He is clearly pinned to the ground. I mean do you guys need 1080P to admit this was heinous?!
 

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No, I am not okay with a person being killed for lack of respect, that is ignorant. I am more than okay with NOT putting yourself in a confrontational situation that could escalate extremely quick. I haven't heard any audio or even watched the video yet, but I would be willing to bet he was asked and then told to get on the ground and did not comply...thus escalating the situation further than what it needed to be. Does that excuse him being killed, no.


How about you not "be willing to bet" and actually watch the video? How can you draw conclusions on something you haven't seen?
 

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No, you don't talk about it enough. I am perfectly ok with my life and the amount of time I devote to these thoughts. Once again this is concern trolling. God valued every life. You don't. I value the "victimized thug" as you call it and I also value the innocent. Also, what is a black street? Are we all just placed in some large holding area? You folks don't even reralize your full and utter ignorance of the situation and the scope of it. I see you casually skipped over that link but ok. haha

I don't have to look at a link. The math is the math. There is no evidence of institutionalized police brutality toward blacks. NONE. It only takes about an hour researching the topic to see it's just not there. Now, if you like to spin, then I'm sure you'll come up with something.

No, I don't value thug drug dealers and gang bangers.

I value innocent children dyring for no GD reason, and I take offense to people like you who comb over it, couldn't care less, and perpetuate the "brutality" myth toward criminals and not where it needs to be.

If that was your child shot in the face, his brains on your shirt, would it be concern trolling at someone pointing it out?

You are disgusting. Seriously, deplorable thought process. How could you honestly think its ever a bad time to talk about innocent children being gunned down for going to school, especially given that you're trying to convince people cops are basically institutionalized racist. But I can't point at all destruction of children by black thugs? How many more would die without police officers? Why can't we discuss it?

You have selective outrage that is politically motivated like the rest.
 
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Love how everyone rushes to judgment without knowing all the facts. Twitter blew up last night.

I don't know what all happened, but if he was reaching for his gun in that situation, the cops have to shoot to kill. If they don't, they are dead.

Also, I could be wrong because I've never been trained as a police officer, but if the cops had been black, I suspect they would have acted the same way.

It looks awful when you view it, but it's early to draw any conclusions or to convict the cops of murder.
it is really really awful. likely by thursday or friday the accepted 'facts' being reported about this situation will be proved completely false.
 

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You need to watch again sir. He is clearly pinned to the ground. I mean do you guys need 1080P to admit this was heinous?!

No, he is not clearly pinned down. Looks (and again a really crappy video) that he is on his side resisting and they eventually get him more on his back with him continuing to resist. The audio again tells the story of a struggle and a verbal warning from the police that if he moves again what is going to happen. Was he reaching for his gun? We can't tell that from this video.

I can't tell you exactly what happened and you can't tell anyone either because it's a crappy video that shows very little. The police do have the right to shoot to kill if they determine you are a threat to others, including them. The video suggest that he was never compliant. You add that to the information that they supposedly were called to the scene for and you have a very dangerous situation.
 

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How about you not "be willing to bet" and actually watch the video? How can you draw conclusions on something you haven't seen?

I'll take a look at the video this evening. If you had read the entirety of my post or other post I have made in this thread I have said more than once that I will wait until all facts are in before making my final judgement on the incident.

How come you are so quick to draw a conclusion without all the facts, but someone who you perceive to do the same in the opposite direction is so wrong?
 

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So the police were called to a scene where a man was reportedly waving a gun and has a checkered past. They show up and all we can assume from the video is he failed to comply with police orders to get on the ground so the police had to physically restrain him. One of the two cops says "he has gun"and the camera turns away. Then the man shot and killed. It was later discovered he in fact had a gun.

Am I missing something here or is it impossible to draw a conclusion at this point as to what happened? We all know Sean is a complete dumbass but unless I've failed to see the complete report on the incident how can any rational person possibly draw a conclusion at this point? The policeman then says he has a gun and was later proven correct. Morons like Shawn ike to loot and burn buildings and jump on the hood of police cars without knowing details and facts because they're ignorant but and how are people so quick to irrationally daw quick conclusions with these types of stories?

We all know police kill more white people every year than black people despite black people committing significantly more crimes per capita. 63 black people were shot by other black people in the city of Chicago ALONE just over the holiday weekend. Why in the hell are people not jumping on hoods of cars and protesting that ********?

Again, it certainly doesn't look good for the cops in this particular situation but I just don't know how you can draw conclusion at this point. There are certainly bad cops in every city but I'll never understand why people like Sean like to pick certain incidents to try and prove some distorted and warped Point of view.

First, I hate cops. But this narrative that cops are just out to get blacks who are just going about their business is total BS. It's not like they're stopping guys who are walking to their office. Every single one of these high profile cases always features a thug, it never fails. Every single one of them. Trayvon Martin (thief), Michael Brown (thief, assaulted shop owner and cop), Freddie Gray (career drug dealer),Eric Garner (criminal and resisting arrest), etc. Every single one of these cases always has the same BS. It's a guy with a criminal past resisting arrest and the rest of the blacks act as if these people never did anything wrong. They portray Tamir Rice like he was building a sandcastle in a sandbox and not sticking a toy gun in people's faces. They will idolize this guy and completely ignore he was a sex offender, criminal and was waving a gun.

Meanwhile, they will show the guy in a graduation cap and gown or a picture of him when he was 12 and blacks will loot and burn down a city. They don't even know that more whites are killed by cops. They don't even know that blacks commit a disproportionate amount of crime.

I say just take all cops out of their neighborhoods like Baltimore last year and let them destroy it and then ***** about cops not doing their jobs.
 
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I don't have to look at a link. The math is the math. There is no evidence of institutionalized police brutality toward blacks. NONE. It only takes about an hour researching the topic to see it's just not there. Now, if you like to spin, then I'm sure you'll come up with something.

No, I don't value thug drug dealers and gang bangers.

I value innocent children dyring for no GD reason, and I take offense to people like you who comb over it, couldn't care less, and perpetuate the "brutality" myth toward criminals and not where it needs to be.

If that was your child shot in the face, his brains on your shirt, would it be concern trolling at someone pointing it out?

You are disgusting. Seriously, deplorable thought process. How could you honestly think its ever a bad time to talk about innocent children being gunned down for going to school, especially given that you're trying to convince people cops are basically institutionalized racist. But I can't point at all destruction of children by black thugs? How many more would die without police officers? Why can't we discuss it?

You have selective outrage that is politically motivated like the rest.

Who said it was a bad time to tak about it? Find me saying that? I'll wait forever because I know I didn't say that.

Do you know how police started? They started as runaway slave patrols. Look it up. That's as institutional as you can get. Do you assume that police turned it around? If so, when? The 1920's? The 1960's? Was there an announcement I missed?

It's clear that no facts can sway you. I posted a link but you don't have to read it because there is no evidence of institutionalized brutality on blacks? Well the link is the first piece of you understanding but again you don't want hose facts. C'mon man at least try.

Once again, I am aware of innocent people being killed everyday. I am a person that feels for those folks. You clearly don't. If my daughter or son was killed I would feel anger at the person that killed them, not "black thugs".
 

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^^I'm not moving the needle or changing an argument or arguing anything else. I simply stated that blacks are shot in a higher frequency by police than any other demographic. If you would like to refute that and show that that is not true than I will apologize, but that is all I was addressing, not whatever you are attempting to now argue.

They commit an insane amount of crime. Their neighborhoods are the worst for crime. That's why there's a police presence there.

Why do people ignore this? I really dislike cops but why don't we ever look at what caused this crap in the first place?
- Committing a crime in the first place
- Resisting arrest

Those are always going to end badly for you.
 

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First, I hate cops. But this narrative that cops are just out to get blacks who are just going about their business is total BS. It's not like they're stopping guys who are walking to their office. Every single one of these high profile cases always features a thug, it never fails. Every single one of them. Trayvon Martin (thief), Michael Brown (thief, assaulted shop owner and cop), Freddie Gray (career drug dealer), etc. Every single one of these cases always has the same BS. It's a guy with a criminal past resisting arrest and the rest of the blacks act as if these people never did anything wrong. They portray Tamir Rice like he was building a sandcastle in a sandbox and not sticking a toy gun in people's faces. They will idolize this guy and completely ignore he was a sex offender, criminal and was waving a gun.

Meanwhile, they will show the guy in a graduation cap and gown or a picture of him when he was 12 and blacks will loot and burn down a city. They don't even know that more whites are killed by cops. They don't even know that blacks commit a disproportionate amount of crime.

I say just take all cops out of their neighborhoods like Baltimore last year and let them destroy it and then ***** about cops not doing their jobs.

1. Only grad photo I've seen is Michael Brown's. It was his high school grad photo. He was not 12.

2. I have been stopped and harassed by cops, in a suit, on the way to work.

3. How is Trayvon Martin a theif? What did he steal the night he was killed?

4. Where is the footage of Tamir Rice "sticking a toy gun in people's faces"?
 

coolcat9lives

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I'll take a look at the video this evening. If you had read the entirety of my post or other post I have made in this thread I have said more than once that I will wait until all facts are in before making my final judgement on the incident.

How come you are so quick to draw a conclusion without all the facts, but someone who you perceive to do the same in the opposite direction is so wrong?

Please tell me what conclusions I will address them all.
 

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** all innocent children killed for nothing other than trying to go to school, or a missed shot at someone else. These kids are true victims of "brutality". Where is the outrage? Sean?

if any of these murders were recorded, with a subsequent decision not to press charges, or a jury's decision to acquit, then there would be a parallel

black-on-black crime only registers for you and your ilk once it's time to defend a killer pig
 
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