You keep looking at entire populations and not criminal population. Show me where the MSM prints the numbers. The guardian printed original data.
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You keep looking at entire populations and not criminal population. Show me where the MSM prints the numbers. The guardian printed original data.
1. Laquan McDonald (below). Trayvon was portrayed as a 12 year old.
2. I have been stopped multiple times by cops for suspicious behavior when I was in college. I'm not black. Guess what? I didn't try to fight a cop nor did I have a gun.
3. Trayvon Martin had been suspended from school and had a backpack full of women's jewelry and a burglarizing tool in it. He wasn't some innocent kid.
4. You haven't seen the footage of Tamir Rice playing gangster and making his toy gun look like a real one?
So those things equate to it being on for them not to see their day in court or give their side of the story and just be killed?
So how many bullets does a non saint warrant? 4? 5? 6? Just a little flesh wound maybe? Also, the argument that you take your citation and argue it in court is absurd. Do you really think a judge is going to take Sterling's word that he was falsely arrested over a cop. That's a fairytale. Also, please see the video of a cop tackling tennis star James Blake and attempting to arrest him. It happens.
He was a good boy.
He dindu nuffin.
He was just turning his life around.
He was set to start college next week.
He was an aspiring rapper.
Here's his baby photo for all MSM press releases.
If the cops had a reasonable fear that he was going for his gun, the shooting was justified, and, furthermore, they were justified in shooting as many times as necessary to end the threat to their lives.
No, you just bend over backwards to find any and every reason you can to justify murdering a human being. Do you want to see Brock turner dead for his sex crimes or just Alton?
I'm not sure what MSM means. Yes, I'm looking at entire populations. I'm not looking at criminal populations, that's not what my original statement is about and looking at criminal populations completely confuses everything and adds complications. SIMPLY STATED, cops kill more black people than any other population with regards to proportions. Why is this being argued anyway though? What is it that you are attempting to prove by arguing it? I don't really understand. Do you not think cops are biased negatively to black people? I think its pretty well known they are, its not an indictment on anyone, its just the way it is. Hell, watch the first two episodes of the OJ ESPN documentary.
Yes, you take it to court, you sure as hell don't resist arrest or give a cop a reason to cause physical injury or worse. Why wouldn't a judge agree with Sterling? If there was video evidence then what would the problem be?
What did James Blake do in this instance? Did he resist the officer(s)?
Refs call more fouls on black guys in the NBA. It is in third OJ episode. OJ was a double murderer BTW.
If a felon is waving a gun in a crowd of people and then resists arrest (while the gun is on him mind you) one to the head should do the trick. No need for any more. Again, abide by the law and respect law enforcement and you have absolutely nothing to worry about.
How so? Seem that would more accurately depict any and all races given the subject. I mean if we are just gonna go with entire population, then why stop at the United States, lets go global.
Why does it more accurately depict anything? Isn't it just another variable that has even more variables that have variables and so on? Would you just want to eliminate all variables and just make it the simplest comparison possible? Why go global? Isn't that another variable that we're not even talking about? Why keep adding variables? Why not just make it a simple statement?
That's kinda my point. If you want to make it as simple as possible then you only use the percentage of those committing crime, not the entire population. Narrow it down for accuracy, and broaden it for generalizations....i'm not good at statistics, but I know that much. I also know that statistics can be twisted to show whatever anyone wants too.
Just doesn't work that way. 12% of population doesn't mean anything unless they also account for 12% of officer encounters.
You are a sick human. Explain these situations. These people lived and also happened to be white. By the way in the spirit of fairness if you can find a story of this happening to a black man I'll accept it.
http://www.alternet.org/civil-liber...ns-police-officers-and-managed-not-get-killed
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ours-white-man-holding-fake-weapon-tased.html
As many on this board have so eloquently put it he was a criminal. Judges don't believe criminals. Also, if he filed suit what money is he going to use to fight the case? it seems so easy to you but this is not the reality of those who face this fate. Blake was tackled and handcuffed within 10 seconds. I did see resistance immediately but once he was slammed to the ground there was none. He also has millions of dollars and celebrity to fight the case.
I mean why can't it just be that 12% of the population accounts for 40 something percent of who is killed by cops or whatever. I mean its a pretty simple statement that pretty much gets the point across. Why then do we have to narrow it to "Well actually only 48% of black people have a conviction so its actually 8% of black people and 12% of white people account for blah blah blah" I mean lets just keep it simple. We all know this anyway, do we not? I mean this is common knowledge. I'm not implying that white people are awful. Hell half the black people getting killed can be by black cops for all I know. All I was saying was black people tend to be killed by cops more. I think that's pretty much well known by all of us if we're being honest is it not?
Only 12 percent of the fouls in the NBA should be called on black players.
Unfortunately, it's not that easy/possible for some folks to come to these simple terms. It means challenging pre-conceived notions and bias that person may have. It's looking in the mirror and facing the fact that your reality is not everyone else's and that you may be missing out on some truth hiding out there in the world. It's also people with so much hate in their heart for "the blacks" that no truth can penetrate it.
I get what you're saying, but you do realize that some people don't, right? That's why you have to break things down and make them as relevant and equal as possible.
Actually its just poor numbers to use to try and prove that point.
I would assume the % is much higher than 12 for actual officer encounters. This likely makes the officer shootings of a particular race more proportional than using the 12%.
The real question would be why does 12% of the population account for X% of officer encounters...are they justified, reasonable, fair, targeted etc...I mean its actually a complex issue, so being simple is pretty inaccurate.
Why can't we use critical data to determine WHY cops are killing/interacting with more blacks?
It's just another variable?
did I fall for sarcasm?
Yeah, he would have a tough road to go, but like I said there would have been video evidence on his side.
I'm not a high roller like most of the paddock posters so in terms of finances I can understand the issues.
I guess the part that I don't get is why resist at all? I've been accused of a crime that I didn't commit and I didn't once resist/argue with law enforcement. I let it play out and was cleared. Point being if you have done nothing wrong, then there is no need to get worked up and fight/argue.
Unlike you, I don't take up for criminals because we share the same skin tone.
I didn't justify anything. I made a logical statement that he caused this crap and created the worst possible scenario to become a reality. I'm also making it a point to showcase the truth about someone so the media/activists don't get to control the narrative and distort the reality and make these people into martyrs.
They tried the hardest to do that crap with Mike Brown, calling him a gentle giant and posting pics of him in a cap and gown all until that security footage was released showing his true nature.
its amazing how color can completely make people abandon all reasoning and logic. Thinking cops should reform protocol (I don't) is one thing, completely ignoring the elephant in the room and aiding the problem is another. There's bad cops, doctors, lawyers, judges, teachers, cashiers, lawn men, there's bad PEOPLE in the world. You won't stop those small percentages, you can only root it out when you find it.
Until blacks turn and start to riot the streets over the true owners of destruction, the massive black element of criminals, it's not going to improve. I mean, it's only getting worse.
So keep it up. By the time the death toll of innocent men, woman, and children (on top of dead gangsters) reaches undeniable levels, you'll have to start looking. You obviously haven't seen enough dead bodies yet.
Until blacks turn and start to riot the streets over the true owners of destruction, the massive black element of criminals, it's not going to improve. I mean, it's only getting worse.
So keep it up. By the time the death toll of innocent men, woman, and children (on top of dead gangsters) reaches undeniable levels, you'll have to start looking. You obviously haven't seen enough dead bodies yet.
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For one, he would have lived to tell about it and have his day in court. The other scenario is the one that happened. Also, do you know how many lawyers would have jumped at the chance to take cases where they feel they can snatch up a bunch of cash?
We all like to be armchair QBs when there's a gun involved and we're removed from the situation.
Steps that Sterling could have taken to not get killed.
1. Don't be a convicted felon with a gun and waving it around in public
2. Listen to the cops.
3. Do not resist cops, lay completely still
Let's see how many people would still be alive if they followed these simple steps.
Oh, by the way, how amazing is it that again, we have a no name civil rights issue now to distract us from Hillary. Every GD time...EVERY SINGLE TIME! Itr never fails. They did the same thing with Freddie Gray when her uranium deal was exposed last year.
Reasons why black people have more encounters with the police.
1. A majority of black are in concentrated areas. (see map for details http://demographics.coopercenter.org/DotMap/index.html)
2. Black neighborhoods have policies in place that assume criminality (Stop and Frisk). Suburbs do not have these laws. So things like drug/gun possession are amplified.
3. Black neighborhoods do not have the same level of opportunity as suburbs. (No banks, franchises, or other major buisnesses).
4. Police were originally created to capture and return runaway slaves. Sometimes the captured freed slaves as well.
5. Officers no longer inhabit the neighborhoods they serve. These officers are outsiders and feel that way.
I could continue but these are pretty simple to me.
You are more than welcome to answer the WHY. I wasn't talking about the WHY, I just made a simple statement that said cops shoot black people in higher proportions than anyone else. Its not really even arguable, yet here we are. That's all I was saying. I wasn't even expecting to argue it or anything but some people started talking about % that are convicted criminals, % that have run-ins with cops, etc. etc. That's not the discussion I was having or trying to have. I don't know about the why. I'm an immigrant. We moved here and were poor. Now me and my entire family all have doctorates and are very lucky and live a good life in the upper middle class. Why can't more black people just read a book and do well in school and get a good job like indians, arabs, chinese, and all other immigrants? No clue. I'm not black. I don't know, and I'm not going to pretend to know. All I know is that in my observations they get killed by cops more.
So you'd agree that they are much more than 12% of police encounters? There ya go - point proven than grabbing that number meant nothing. Now you can get active on your list here.
Coolcat, The police did not form to capture slaves.. I'm sure that was one of their duties, but not the sole reason for their original being.http://plsonline.eku.edu/insidelook/history-policing-united-states-part-1
This is an extremely ridiculous and racist statement. Check the funding for inner cities schools around the country and then get back to me on why black students wont "just read a book and do well in school". Also, anecdotally in my pursuit of higher learning I found that there is no less prejudice there than in the streets where Alton Sterling lost his life. I've been accused on three occasions of plagiarizing work, with no source material to prove the plagiarism. Simply a well written paper.
For a situation to be comparable, it would have to include a physical altercation. In this situation, the gun wasn't being pointed at the officer from 30 feet away. He was going for his gun (if that is what occurred) during the struggle. Guns are pretty accurate at that range, and the officer's life could have ended instantly. In that situation, the officer has defend himself and use as many bullets as necessary to end the threat. Firing a warning shot or a wounding shot is not an option.
Again, that's IF he was going for his gun. If he wasn't, I'm not sure how it can be justified.
I'm so confused now. I can't Trll the white supremacists from the black power folks from the police are evil from the police do no wrong crowd.
Can somebody do a Venn diagram showing who's who in this thread. :scream::joy:
Can somebody do a Venn diagram showing who's who in this thread. :scream::joy:
This has predictably run down a tangent about race, but the fact that 1146 people were killed by police last year concerns me regardless of what color any of the cops or victims were. Other countries seem to be able to police their societies and apprehend even violent and armed suspects without resorting so frequently to deadly force. We do have a lot more firearms in this country but only about half of those killed last year were armed with a gun. Sure, we can sit back and say "well if you're armed and committing crimes and resisting arrest then you have what's coming to you," but we could also ask why it's so that police in other countries don't seem to need to kill people so often.
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