An example of collateral damage with the reseating...
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My rank was around 1100 and I was in section 119 before. I am now in 124 near the goal line. This is an awful way to treat loyal fans who have supported the train wreck we have had in the past. I average spending around 800.00 a weekend when we go to games including the motel costs which are ridiculous as well. I will keep the tickets this year but the SEC Network is looking better every day because just as we have done in the past, we screwed the long time supporters .
All you guys complaining about being pushed out realize you were pushed out by people giving more than you, right? How do you think the loyal fan that was giving more than you felt about being on the goal line? Just because you are older and have been able to give longer than me does not mean that my larger gift should not be rewarded. I'm in the top 1000 of the BDC and didn't start donating until 5 years ago. However, all 5 years I've had goal line seats while "loyal fans" who gave less than me had better seats. Until this reseating, I had no chance at better seats regardless of my donation. How does that encourage more donations?
For some, it's not a matter of having their panties in a wad. It's a matter of something not being worth a significant increase in costs.
At the end of the day, something is worth whatever you can get for it, so get what you can. With that being said, it will interesting to see what happens if and when we hit a Croomian Skid. And history says that it will happen.
At the end of the day, something is worth whatever you can get for it, so get what you can. With that being said, it will interesting to see what happens if and when we hit a Croomian Skid. And history says that it will happen.
I have no problem if people that give more put me in lesser seats, but...
If I have lesser seats because those people gave more THIS year, but not the previous 10 years, I feel like that is unfair. While I will not necessarily be upset at the new process, I will refuse to participate by giving more simply to have the same or lesser seats. They need to do what they need to do to maximize revenue, but I (and probably many more) need to do what I need to do to determine if I can justify an exorbitant amount of giving to watch a .500 middling SEC school. I will be better off to keep my $1500 and buy individual tickets for games I want through Stub Hub and still come out ahead. Again, no hard feelings on my part, but I will choose not to participate.
Do you go to games now? When I bought My tickets when the HUMP opened, I took the deal they "GUARANTEED", It was MSU's deal. I bought 5 season tickets for over thirty years and attended all the games , even the exibition games. Also went to the SEC tourney's. Why should how many football tickets you buy have any bearing to your Basketball tickets? Enjoy the ****** atmosphere and empty seats, it will be that way for a long time. Why not just not let the tickets be passed down , only the original ticket buyers be entitled to the "GUARANTEED" deal. No that would be much trouble for our Brain trust to figure out---Way easier to just throw Your Loyal Fans under the Bus
~300 people paying $25000 over five years raises over 7 million dollars. I wouldn't call that "poorly thought out."
But what you can't tell is how many of those 300 would've still given just to get in the new premium seating. It looks like less than 500 or so CL seats were taken by CL members who gave to TTF. Considering most folks at that level already have 5+ seats, that's less than 100 accounts. That's still not chump change by any means, but if you lose an equal number of CL accounts due to older fans being pissed off, that's going to cost you over the long run. Remember that we still haven't sold out the Stadium Club, so the demand for seats at nearly twice that price is certainly limited.
ah you would have thought so. But that wasn't true. I know several people that got screwed? I didn't buy Football( my brother bought the football tickets) or baseball season tickets. Also some people were in with their Kin or Company and they got no credit for them. Where you could buy 8 tickets but all of a sudden you couldn't buy but four.I asked the question just how much did I have to pay to keep my seats and they (BC) said it didn't work like that.
There will be upset people over the football deal, and I know several that are already pissed and will tailgate at home and watch on TV.
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Well those weren't ever their tickets to begin with then. If they hadn't gotten dumped by their kin or company, they'd still have good seats. And if they did get dumped by their kin or company, they wouldn't have kept those seats anyway. And even without football or baseball season tickets, with 40 years worth of basketball season tickets, you've still got a shitload of Bulldog Club points. So again, ******** on your story.
I don't know how many TTF people are new to the Club Level, but I do know that they had first choice. I was told when I renewed my pledge that current CL members would have first choice, then the others would get what was left over, if there were any. I won't call that a blatant lie, but it certainly was a huge mistake assuming the person I talked to just didn't know.
Not only that, the BDC did not publicize the TTF thing except possibly their web site, and I never go there. The first I heard of it was on this board, AFTER I renewed my pledge. And most CL members already pay at least $5K just to get their seats; the only thing missing is the 5 year commitment so it doesn't count. Theoretically, somebody who graduated last year could become TTF by pledging, and get 50 yard line CL seats.
So yes, my panties are in a wad. And as far as I know, CL was full last year and there were no spare seats unless someone decided not to renew. And that means that some were displaced, and that was promised not to happen.
Not only that, the BDC did not publicize the TTF thing except possibly their web site, and I never go there. The first I heard of it was on this board, AFTER I renewed my pledge. And most CL members already pay at least $5K just to get their seats; the only thing missing is the 5 year commitment so it doesn't count. Theoretically, somebody who graduated last year could become TTF by pledging, and get 50 yard line CL seats.
So yes, my panties are in a wad. And as far as I know, CL was full last year and there were no spare seats unless someone decided not to renew. And that means that some were displaced, and that was promised not to happen.
You and I are virtually the same. I was in the middle of 122, and now am in the middle of 124. Went from about the 35-40 yard line to what appears to be midway behind the goal line.
I'll be watching the SEC Network next year too. Might even get a larger TV, courtesy of MSU. And if you see opposing fans sitting in CL this fall for some games, blame me. I never would have done that before. But now ....
I'll be watching the SEC Network next year too. Might even get a larger TV, courtesy of MSU. And if you see opposing fans sitting in CL this fall for some games, blame me. I never would have done that before. But now ....
I doubt you could get a refund, but I'm not sure you couldn't stop paying if you pay by the month like I do. Just cancel the credit card monthly charge. Not sure what they could do, or if the pledge is legally enforceable.
I'm not even sure the reseating is legal ... you get much less value for more money, and they changed the criteria.
The way I see it though is to maintain the pledge this year, sit in the end zone (or not go), and not renew next year. I know that's legal.
And I still can't understand how the Scoreboard Club is $2500/seat for end zone seats, while 50 yard line seats are potentially available for $750 less per seat. Doesn't make sense.
I'm not even sure the reseating is legal ... you get much less value for more money, and they changed the criteria.
The way I see it though is to maintain the pledge this year, sit in the end zone (or not go), and not renew next year. I know that's legal.
And I still can't understand how the Scoreboard Club is $2500/seat for end zone seats, while 50 yard line seats are potentially available for $750 less per seat. Doesn't make sense.
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I agree, and the annual contribution is already there. CL this year is $1750 per seat. I wouldn't complain if they had raised that to a higher amount. Nor would I object if they reseated CL based on EXISTING members' priority ranking. And I was told on the phone that's what would happen. I do object to "newbies" booting existing CL members down to the crumbs.
Believe what you want. The way they worked it the past bulldog points didn't count for much. It was more how much money . I guess you didn't comprehend what I was saying about kin and co. Also you have to reseat every year. And thanks for the crude ******** comment . I guess if you gave your Brother money for two seats for thirty years, you kinda thought those were your seats. Then when the reseating came your brothers allotment of seats was cut in half, you were **** out of luck. But you love to be a contrarian , so knock yourself out.
Why do you object to the newbies lowering your priority, if that newbie is giving more than you? You should not get special privileges because your older than someone.
Where did you get the idea I expect special privileges because I'm older than someone? Read again.
But to answer your question, it's because when I called the BDC in January to renew and upgrade my pledge, I asked the person I talked to if with the reseating, would the TTF people (I'd just found out the existence of such a thing on this board) would be able to displace existing CL ticket holders. She said no, they would not, that existing members would have priority, and would be rank ordered within CL. That sounded fair to me, but turned out to be untrue. And it turned out to be untrue AFTER I'd made my pledge and bought season tickets. Whether that would have impacted my decision to renew at the time, I can't say. But it would have been only fair to have told the truth as it turned out to be. I'm assuming the lady just did not know and made a mistake; I'd hate to think she deliberately told me an untruth.
Is that a satisfactory answer?
But to answer your question, it's because when I called the BDC in January to renew and upgrade my pledge, I asked the person I talked to if with the reseating, would the TTF people (I'd just found out the existence of such a thing on this board) would be able to displace existing CL ticket holders. She said no, they would not, that existing members would have priority, and would be rank ordered within CL. That sounded fair to me, but turned out to be untrue. And it turned out to be untrue AFTER I'd made my pledge and bought season tickets. Whether that would have impacted my decision to renew at the time, I can't say. But it would have been only fair to have told the truth as it turned out to be. I'm assuming the lady just did not know and made a mistake; I'd hate to think she deliberately told me an untruth.
Is that a satisfactory answer?
There are no indications to date that your last paragraph is true. All we know is that some TTF members got to pick first. Those people could very well have already been in the CL. The next person I hear of that had CL seats and lost them because of this reseating and not by choice will be the first.
I apologize if I misunderstood your frustration. I thought you were frustrated by being bumped out of your seats by larger donations. I see now your frustrated because you were mislead.
I haven't heard of any either, but then all CL members don't post on this board and that's my only source of information. I'm sure there are a number who drop out every year, but the point is, if TTF members were given first priority (and they were), then there's a decent mathematical chance that some CL members will be displaced.
Was it sold out last year? I don't know. There were always empty seats during even the major games, but if you go inside it's so crowded that you can hardly walk through, and that's at any time of the game. So it must have been sold out. At one time there was a waiting list ... not sure about last year.
Do you sit in CL, or you just being argumentative?
Was it sold out last year? I don't know. There were always empty seats during even the major games, but if you go inside it's so crowded that you can hardly walk through, and that's at any time of the game. So it must have been sold out. At one time there was a waiting list ... not sure about last year.
Do you sit in CL, or you just being argumentative?
So you are saying She said: "If you like your plan, you can keep your plan." Do you know if she said it 27 times?
Ha. Excellent analogy. No, she just said it once to me ... possibly more than 27 to other people though. Don't forget "If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor. Period."
I pretty much understood what was happening when CL seating first started and people were posting that they were being displaced to Section 124. I'm still not sure who got the 5 sections in the center. At one time, you could buy a certain number of seats based on your standing in the BDC. I don't now if that's true anymore. Could TTFers buy as many as they wanted?
I pretty much understood what was happening when CL seating first started and people were posting that they were being displaced to Section 124. I'm still not sure who got the 5 sections in the center. At one time, you could buy a certain number of seats based on your standing in the BDC. I don't now if that's true anymore. Could TTFers buy as many as they wanted?
Should have gone strictly by the Builldog Club Ranking. The entire athletic department is handling this in exactly the wrong way. The TTF should have been given credit for their donation, and ranked appropriately based on that donation. No one then could argue against it. Someone posted a "What ever happened to sacrificing for the better of the university and student athlete BS". My answer that that is, the school has always given priority to lifetime giving fans. Now they are throwing them under the bus in a very backhanded way. I am almost willing to bet, that the reseating will cost the university money over the next decade.
I and many other fans have worked hard to donate extra funds just for the opportunity to move to the West Side of the Stadium. When that possibility is removed from the equation, I will stop giving extra.
I talked it over with my wife last night and for 40 years we have given to this athletic program. She was so upset she wants to change our will which leaves well over one million to MSU's athletic dept. I don't think they were very smart and only time will tell if they are smart enough to admit their mistake. If not, you young folks with plenty of cash, enjoy the ride. The SEC Network will pick up lots of us.
What I'm trying to say is that TTF members already in the CL were given priority during the CL reseating. We know that happened from firsthand accounts.
What we have no indications of is that TTF members who weren't already in the CL were allowed to pick before all current CL holders were reseated.
I'm not sure if it was sold out last year either, although it had to have been close if it wasn't. The last new CL ticket we bought was for the 2011 season, and there were only a few left then.
After 13 seasons in the CL, my family is moving to the West side this fall for a variety of reasons, the crowded atmosphere being one of them.
What we have no indications of is that TTF members who weren't already in the CL were allowed to pick before all current CL holders were reseated.
I'm not sure if it was sold out last year either, although it had to have been close if it wasn't. The last new CL ticket we bought was for the 2011 season, and there were only a few left then.
After 13 seasons in the CL, my family is moving to the West side this fall for a variety of reasons, the crowded atmosphere being one of them.
I have no problem if that's how it was done (new TTF members already in CL get priority), but I was told differently.
I asked during the reseating call, and was told that TTF members, and I understood it to be all of them whether present CL members or not, got first choice.
I asked during the reseating call, and was told that TTF members, and I understood it to be all of them whether present CL members or not, got first choice.
Only if you folks will guarantee a basketball coach who can recruit and coach
Throw in an AD too who has some common sense
Throw in an AD too who has some common sense
me too--I really loved thinking we could beat anyone we played. I also loved the fact the he had winning records against every coach in the SEC except two. I also love the **** out of the fact that he beat Ole Miss like a rented Mule.
You give me that million and I guarantee you we will be stocked with talent for the next three years and will have multiple championships vacated inside of decade.
Given that he's willing that kind of money to the athletic department, Scott should be calling him. Not much they could do now that seats are already assigned, but they could give him a suite. Stricklin probably doesn't know about the will.
But the "principle of the matter" precedent has already been set. I suspect that no offer would do any good now.
But the "principle of the matter" precedent has already been set. I suspect that no offer would do any good now.