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an interesting look at SEC strength of schedules...

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Coach34

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courtesy of Ken Pomeroy:

SOS OOC-SOS

1. Georgia 11 103
2. Vandy 22 100
3. SC 36 133
4. Tenn 47 123
5. Miss 58 187
6. Bammer 62 157
7. LSU 63 253
8. Kentucky 77 186
9. Auburn 78 260
10. Fla 91 227
11. State 98 257
12. UPig 106 265


When you schedule as ****** as we do, there is little room for error
 
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Coach34

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courtesy of Ken Pomeroy:

SOS OOC-SOS

1. Georgia 11 103
2. Vandy 22 100
3. SC 36 133
4. Tenn 47 123
5. Miss 58 187
6. Bammer 62 157
7. LSU 63 253
8. Kentucky 77 186
9. Auburn 78 260
10. Fla 91 227
11. State 98 257
12. UPig 106 265


When you schedule as ****** as we do, there is little room for error
 
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Coach34

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courtesy of Ken Pomeroy:

SOS OOC-SOS

1. Georgia 11 103
2. Vandy 22 100
3. SC 36 133
4. Tenn 47 123
5. Miss 58 187
6. Bammer 62 157
7. LSU 63 253
8. Kentucky 77 186
9. Auburn 78 260
10. Fla 91 227
11. State 98 257
12. UPig 106 265


When you schedule as ****** as we do, there is little room for error
 
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patdog

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and still only be in the middle of the SEC (and it's not like the rest of the league scheduled tough OOC games either). These games are absolutely killing us:

249 - Bethune-Cookman
336 - Pan American
300 - Centenary
333 - MS Valley
 
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I looked earlier in the week to see where all of our opponents were in their league, especially since we heard Rider was a Sweet 16 team and St. Bonnie's had hung with St. Johns who was #2 in the RPI. The results are not surprising.

Rider 6th out of 10 in the MAAC and 156 RPI (15th rated conference)
SE La 4th of 12 in the Southland and 213 RPI (26th)
St. Bonnies 13th of 14 with 197 RPI in the A-10 (6th)
Bethune Cookman 4th of 11 in the MEAC with 241 RPI (30th, with 7 of their 11 teams over 300 in the RPI)
UTPA independent; 4-23 record with 335 RPI
Richmond 1 of 14 with 27 RPI in A-10 (6th)
ODU 1-12 with 33 RPI in CAA (12th)
Depaul 16th of 16 with 170 RPI in Big East (1)
UCLA 6th of 10 with 134 RPI in Pac 10 (8th)
Wright State 2nd of 10 with 88 RPI in Horizon (13th)
Houston 6th of 12 with 136 RPI in CUSA (11th)
Centenary 9th of 10 with 293 RPI in Summit (23)
Valley 6th of 10 with 337 RPI in SWAC (31st with 6 of 10 having 300+ RPI)
San Diego 6th of 8 with 222 RPI in WCC (14th)
Western KY 6th of 12 with 168 RPI in Sun Belt (22nd)

Richmond, ODU and Wright State are the only ones even remotely close to being players in their own crappy leagues. The rest of that is just crap. I'll give us a pass on UCLA. You take that game when you can get it. And we didn't pick DePaul, so that's not on us. That's on the Big East for allowing DePaul to even be in the tournament. Squeaking by Houston and San Diego while losing to WKU and Rider is par for the course for Rick. Those seem to always be the kind of teams we lose to. Coincidentally, look how we did against probably the five best teams.....Richmond, ODU, Wright State, Houston and UCLA. 4-1 and should have been 5-0. So we can compete when we play better teams. Byrne should ban him from playing MEAC teams ever again. The one game with a SWAC team is fine. But don't back it up with the MEAC, Summit and an one of the worst teams in all of America (UTPA). What, Bryant wasn't available?
 
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with Hanmu and the other Sheep when they constantly throw out- "as much as Stansbury wins".....look who he is beating? We are 10th in the SEC in SOS the last 10 years....

Something needs to change
 
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Coach34 said:
with Hanmu and the other Sheep when they constantly throw out- "as much as Stansbury wins".....look who he is beating? We are 10th in the SEC in SOS the last 10 years....

Something needs to change
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Things that need to change:
1. We need a better S.O.S
2. We probably need to can an assistant.

Like I have said 100 MFing times. Stansbury has not done enough to warrant his own firing. When we start missing NCAA tournaments and finishing in the lower half of the SEC then he will get fired. Some of you just cannot wait for that to happen and start screaming for it to happen prematurely.
 
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we need to schedule better. and if we do badly, then cut stans loose.

not a "fire him now" guy though. nothing to base it on.

i was never a stans advocate until i came across you. you are just so ludicrous that i find myself defending the man just b/c i'm arguing with your idiocy.
 
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on the turrrableness of OM's offense (which is eerily similar to ours), I say go hire him. He's young, energetic and has played for on of the best coaches evar.
 
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one of the best offensive game plans I've ever seen from him. He actually went to work in preparation for Kentucky. I wish he would do that for every game. Obviously we don't need a schedule full of tough games. But it seems he has gotten complacent with an easy OOC schedule. Scheduling tougher OOC opponents would keep him engaged offensively all year long as well as better prepare us for conference play.
 
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that mens basketball is the only sport on campus that is consistently at .500 or above in the SEC. As long as that's the case, I don't see Stans going anywhere nor should he.
 
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Coach34

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so be it...

But let me also remind you our basketball program had over a 2 million dollar surplus last season also...are we just trying to stay in the black?
 
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As of right now, we are behind UK, UT, Vandy, Florida, and Arkansas in terms of record, and the same 4 and Ole Miss in terms of NCAA pecking order. So if the season ended today, we'd be one away from the bottom half of the SEC with no NCAA tournament with a team that people hoped would make a Sweet 16 run.

Just sayin'
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patdog

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Just losing the 250+ RPI games and replacing them with 75-150 RPI games would do a world of good for our strength of schedule.
 
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what our RPI would be if we replaced our 4 horrible OOC games with teams rated around 150.
 
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disagree with what you say about Stans. But, you ALWAYS point out the negatives! I think you have stated your case time after time and it's mostly about criticizing him for what he hasn't done but never any praise forwhat he has done! Winning will always take care of your lack of scheduling. Sometimes you schedule thinking teams such as Rider, will be ok as for as RPI and competition, mistakes happen. Believe me, I'd like for Stans to change some things as well.
There are many coaches who are better x and o coaches better than Stans but they can't or want have as much success as he does. I do agree there is nothing wrong with wanting more or better expectations such as advancing in the Ncaa tourney, but I don't think it's the end of the world as long as we keep winning and have a chance to win every game, sell tickets and be expected to have a winning season evey year.

I just think you have backed yourself in a corner with negative talk on Stans and now you can't see the positives to what he has gotten done. Take a long look at our history, which isn't all bad but in 11 seasons going to the Ncaa's 6 times and 3 NIT's, with our scheduling isn't all bad. Do you think having a better SOS would have made a difference in the last 11 years? No it didn't, we just didn't advance in the tourney. You aren't making a good enough case with the SOS as I don't see playing better teams improving our chances to advance in the tourney. Like I said earlier, winning takes care of scheduling and going to the dance!
Lastly, I know you are thinking well with a better SOS we would be a higher seed, so what you still have to win and after the first round the next 32 teams are pretty good and the SOS pretty much evens out as you have to beat a good team anyway.
 
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Our SOS has never been great but the fact that UCLA and Depaul are terrible this year made it even worse. I'm sure those were expected to be quality games when scheduled. Our SOS would still be weak but not nearly as weak if those teams were at their norm.</p>
 
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klipdawg said:
Our SOS has never been great but the fact that UCLA and Depaul are terrible this year made it even worse. I'm sure those were expected to be quality games when scheduled. Our SOS would still be weak but not nearly as weak if those teams were at their norm.</p>
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Depaul is better this year than they were last year

2009 Depaul- 8-23 (0-18)....they were winless in the Big East last year
2008 Depaul- 11-19 (6-12)
 
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DowntownDawg said:
As of right now, we are behind UK, UT, Vandy, Florida, and Arkansas in terms of record, and the same 4 and Ole Miss in terms of NCAA pecking order. So if the season ended today, we'd be one away from the bottom half of the SEC with no NCAA tournament with a team that people hoped would make a Sweet 16 run.

Just sayin'
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Did I miss the season ending? I thought we were still playing ball.

Just sayin'.
 
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DowntownDawg

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...will that work?

Obviously, I hope we make it and would love to eat crow. But it is a real longshot at this point.
 
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...If you want to schedule like North Carolina, then go look at NC's current record. They may not even make the NIT. If you want to schedule like a top 10 badass when you are not even a top 25 badass, then go look at North Carolina's current plight. That's where MSU would be right now if MSU suddenly adapted a coach34-approved schedule.


MSU has only 2 home losses this season: Rider & Kentucky. Win both of those, & MSU is in the tournament. Just win the UK game, & MSU is in the tournament. Beat Rider @home like you are suppossed to, & that "bad loss" stain is removed.


See how this is shaping up? A so-called crappy schedule doesn't dictate crap. Losing home games is what dictates your destiny. In college basketball, you have to win your home games in order to make the tournament. If you don't believe me, go ask Ole Miss.

I realize bitching about scheduling is par for the course for this board, but why the hell would you want to put more losses on the schedule when MSU can't even handle their current schedule?
 
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...that you just came up with a number.

After all the bills are paid, I seriously doubt we're + 2mil. </p>
 
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RonnyAtmosphere said:
...If you want to schedule like North Carolina, then go look at NC's current record. They may not even make the NIT. If you want to schedule like a top 10 badass when you are not even a top 25 badass, then go look at North Carolina's current plight. That's where MSU would be right now if MSU suddenly adapted a coach34-approved schedule.
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play a crap schedule like ours and lose several games that shoulda been gimmes (where we are now) and worry about getting into the tourney.... *get in the tourney and lose in the first round to a 3 seed

play a pimp schedule like UNC, lose because your team isn't that good and barely make the NIT...and then "show up" in the NIT for a good run...

hmmm. it seems that for the most part NCAA BB is like water, it seeks its own level. maybe we've lost enough of those games because we aren't all that great. right now, we only deserve the NIT. my maroon colored glasses says let us in the big dance and hope we get really hot from outside - 3 weekends worth of great outside shooting would do me just fine.
 
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giving all the concessions away to the Lions Club and ****...15 or so home dates and we made 3 grand in concessions- I hope the community appreciates it
 
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