Another BS headline by NJ.com

MADHAT1

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I don’t know who it was..but a poster said their way of doing things won’t be sustainable. Never claimed it was you, apologies.

Not an employee..was never an employee…but as I’ve said above, I did do work with them through my former employer (and other advance media sites) in the past…To say nj advanced media doesn’t like rutgers and is out for them is just plain false….
apology accepted because I remember more than one poster here claiming the star liar was on the way out
as for not liking Rutgers, it has proven not to be trusted in the past and at one time Rutgers fans placed an ad in it refuting Star Ledger claims
https://www.scribd.com/document/330561446/Star-Ledger-Ad
 

Mikemarc

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apoligy acceoted because I remember more than one poster here claiming the star liar was on the way out
as for not liking Rutgers, it has proven not to be trusted in the past and at one time Rutgers fans placed an ad in it refuting Star Ledger claims
https://www.scribd.com/document/330561446/Star-Ledger-Ad

Again…you’re confusing the star ledger and nj.com

I wouldn’t be surprised if the ledger goes away…(same with most newspapers)…nj.com isn’t going anywhere
 

MADHAT1

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Again…you’re confusing the star ledger and nj.com

I wouldn’t be surprised if the ledger goes away…(same with most newspapers)…nj.com isn’t going anywhere
I believe many of the star liar's newspaper articles can be found on NJO.com
but could be wrong about that now since I rarely click a NJO link and only hear what's written in that rag when someone makes a comment about it here.
But when (years ago ) Josh and Ted were doing their thing in the Ledger many of their articles that were in the newspaper also was available online at NJO.com.
 

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I believe many of the star liar's newspaper articles can be found on NJO.com
but could be wrong about that now since I rarely click a NJO link and only hear what's written in that rag when someone makes a comment about it here.
But when (years ago ) Josh and Ted were doing their thing in the Ledger many of their articles that were in the newspaper also was available online at NJO.com.

Most of the writers now are nj.com writers…

So they write for digital, and then those articles are printed in the ledger, Trenton times, etc…

I can’t speak on the time of Josh and Ted…I can only speak within the last decade, again, when my employer had a partnership with advance media. And I can guarantee they’d love Rutgers to succeed (and least the management)…successful team = more eyes.
 

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Most of the writers now are nj.com writers…

So they write for digital, and then those articles are printed in the ledger, Trenton times, etc…

I can’t speak on the time of Josh and Ted…I can only speak within the last decade, again, when my employer had a partnership with advance media. And I can guarantee they’d love Rutgers to succeed (and least the management)…successful team = more eyes.
OK have a good day , no need for me to argue with you about people I don't know and ones you seem to have more inside knowledge about .
 

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OK have a good day , no need for me to argue with you about people I don't know and ones you seem to have more inside knowledge about .

All good, wasn’t trying to “argue”…just posting things I know as facts.

You can certainly feel how you want, but if the one of the only mainstream media outlets that covers rutgers full time goes under, not good for the program at all….

Have a great weekend
 

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I don’t understand the bad will toward NJ.Com or the SL. Their mission is to report what is happening. I think many don’t want to accept things when they don’t go well. They cover real things. They are not cheerleaders for RU. If you listen to the podcasts with the SL writers who cover RU sports, they are positive and want RU to have success in the B1G. They are.certainly not anti RU.
 
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I don’t understand the bad will toward NJ.Com or the SL. Their mission is to report what is happening. I think many don’t want to accept things when they don’t go well. They cover real things. They are not cheerleaders for RU. If you listen to the podcasts with the SL writers who cover RU sports, they are positive and want RU to have success in the B1G. They are.certainly not anti RU.
I won't try to answer for others, but the Josh and Ted era made me feel a media outlet wasn't unbiased and lied about Rutgers enough to make RU fans feel they had to buy an ad in that paper so the truth would be told.
Ever since then haven't trusted any media site connected with the Star Ledger and feel that media outlet feels negitivity will help it more than posting positive stuff about RU.
 
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What have they been dishonest about on the last few years?

I mean Politi tracked down a former basketball player that had no meaningful playing time to Tijuana.

Just so RU could be blared in the headline.

Mulcahy was ousted bc of an outright lie in the SL over funding.

Recently the Bergen Record claimed athletics was upside down...only to exclude the 32M+ in B1G media payments.

Off the top of my head.
 

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I mean Politi tracked down a former basketball player that had no meaningful playing time to Tijuana.

Just so RU could be blared in the headline.

Mulcahy was ousted bc of an outright lie in the SL over funding.

Recently the Bergen Record claimed athletics was upside down...only to exclude the 32M+ in B1G media payments.

Off the top of my head.

The Politi piece wasn’t “dishonest”.

Mulcahy was over a decade ago so cant speak on that.

NJ.com has been more than fair at least for the last decade
 

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I don’t understand the bad will toward NJ.Com or the SL. Their mission is to report what is happening. I think many don’t want to accept things when they don’t go well. They cover real things. They are not cheerleaders for RU. If you listen to the podcasts with the SL writers who cover RU sports, they are positive and want RU to have success in the B1G. They are.certainly not anti RU.
You are one of the more grounded and reasonable posters on this board. I agree the role of the NJ newspapers and media sites that host the NJ newspapers is to not be cheerleaders for RU.

Two questions for you. Did you find the headline that is the topic of this thread even just a little bit over the top and slanted to paint Rutgers in a bad light? I found the framing to be odd when PJ worked at Rutgers almost 15 years ago and he has been a head coach for many years.

Second question is do you notice the other major NJ news outlet, Gannett, which includes app.com, mycentraljersey.com and North Jersey.com rarely runs such stories or headlines? There are two non sports reporters at Gannett who write a series of articles on spending on RU athetics, but they at least attempt to make their stories fact-based and not bombastic.

The only writer I find worthwhile reading from NJ.com is Todderick Hunt. He is a good writer and reports the facts in an neutral tone and sprinkles in interesting tidbits. The other beat writer I like is at Gannett NJ, Chris Iseman. Good writer, fact based stories and no drama. Steve Politi, on the other hand is a major drama queen style of writer, who often goes for the negative slant.
 
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I mean Politi tracked down a former basketball player that had no meaningful playing time to Tijuana.

Just so RU could be blared in the headline.

Mulcahy was ousted bc of an outright lie in the SL over funding.

Recently the Bergen Record claimed athletics was upside down...only to exclude the 32M+ in B1G media payments.

Off the top of my head.
Amazing what a corrupt media can accomplish. Sadly, unless there's a way to truly fact check ANY TOPIC 100%, the general public can be guided to any conclusion on any topic. Scary times to say the least and don't care what side of the this debate or aisle you reside.
 

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Correct. But I meant as HC pre Schiano 2.0 as some on this board wanted.
Fleck seems to have matured. He does not seem to be his old self with emphasis on corny sayings and has grown. Heck, he doesn't even look like his old self. Apparently, he had a bungee cord accident, resulting in some facial surgery. I'd take 11-2/7-2, then 3-4, 9-4/6-3 and 9-4/5-4 over four seasons even if the coach was the world's biggest cornball.

 
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The Politi piece wasn’t “dishonest”.

Mulcahy was over a decade ago so cant speak on that.

NJ.com has been more than fair at least for the last decade

You are older than me and I remember what happened with Mulcahy. Come on.

They have not been fair. The Fleck headline was unfair. Tracking down former players that barely played to blare their crimes is not fair.

Where's a positive piece they have written? And don't say there's been nothing positive as there has been plenty.
 

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Correct. But I meant as HC pre Schiano 2.0 as some on this board wanted.
So, in your world, all this stuff at Minnesota is 100% true and Fleck is a creep.. got it. How could anyone have wanted the results he brought to Central Michigan or Minnesota, where, in his 6 years he has had a 11-2 and two 9-4 seasons. We don't need anything like that around here.
 
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You are older than me and I remember what happened with Mulcahy. Come on.

They have not been fair. The Fleck headline was unfair. Tracking down former players that barely played to blare their crimes is not fair.

Where's a positive piece they have written? And don't say there's been nothing positive as there has been plenty.

Plenty of positive pieces on this link…

 
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Here's a gem:


"Authorities investigating death of woman found on Rutgers University Campus"

Now was she found in NB or Pway?

Of course not. She was found in Newark. But that was mysteriously omitted from the headline.

Just like Fleck being the HC at Minnesota was missing.

It's called false light. And it's gross. There's plenty of crazy things happening to write about without trying to make everything about a school that is on the upswing in every single way.
 

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Here's a gem:


"Authorities investigating death of woman found on Rutgers University Campus"

Now was she found in NB or Pway?

Of course not. She was found in Newark. But that was mysteriously omitted from the headline.

Just like Fleck being the HC at Minnesota was missing.

It's called false light. And it's gross. There's plenty of crazy things happening to write about without trying to make everything about a school that is on the upswing in every single way.

You really have to settle down. Nothing wrong with that headline or article.

And you’re just gonna ignore those positive articles I sent? Or will you admit you were wrong and nj.com does write positive pieces??
 

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You really have to settle down. Nothing wrong with that headline or article.

And you’re just gonna ignore those positive articles I sent? Or will you admit you were wrong and nj.com does write positive pieces??
I don't think anyone is arguing that they don't print positive pieces. That has not been the point. The point is that they go out of their way more than enough times to lead one to conclude that they like to (or at least tend to) smear Rutgers.

Your argument sounds like an abusive spouse or parent who argues that I only react harshly or use force once in a while. No, it's not always going to be sunshine and puppy dogs headlines, but as I noted above, Gannett NJ rarely, if ever pulls this crap.
 

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You really have to settle down. Nothing wrong with that headline or article.

And you’re just gonna ignore those positive articles I sent? Or will you admit you were wrong and nj.com does write positive pieces??
when the negative feeling over how Rutgers was covered over the years can be overcome by fair and balanced coverage then and only then will that site be considered a newsworthy one when it comes to RU sports.
A few positives doesn't mean that media outlet has become fair and balanced .Nor can those who show negative coverage be dismissed because of a few positive articles put out.
I can't say what you posted overcomes the negative coverage someone claimed, because I won't click on links to a site I have found untrustworthy for many years and keep on seeing posters put it down on this board constantly.
The headline you found nothing wrong with had me thinking it was Rutgers New Brunswick because most people think that when they just see Rutgers in headline.
I belive that was the intention to get people to see article knowing RU Newark wouldn't get the clicks
 
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I don't think anyone is arguing that they don't print positive pieces. That has not been the point. The point is that they go out of their way more than enough times to lead one to conclude that they like to (or at least tend to) smear Rutgers.

Your argument sounds like an abusive spouse or parent who argues that I only react harshly or use force once in a while. No, it's not always going to be sunshine and puppy dogs headlines, but as I noted above, Gannett NJ rarely, if ever pulls this crap.

NotinRHouse distinctly asked me the last positive piece they wrote. He’s certainly arguing that.
 

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So, in your world, all this stuff at Minnesota is 100% true and Fleck is a creep.. got it. How could anyone have wanted the results he brought to Central Michigan or Minnesota, where, in his 6 years he has had a 11-2 and two 9-4 seasons. We don't need anything like that around here.
Who said that? I just don't like the way the guy comes off. I have no idea if any of the allegations are true or not. But cornball 'row the boat' stuff and all the rest of it - not for me that's all.
 

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Who said that? I just don't like the way the guy comes off. I have no idea if any of the allegations are true or not. But cornball 'row the boat' stuff and all the rest of it - not for me that's all.
Fair enough. But the timing of "I never wanted him here" in a thread about this "news" seems like it is a "I told you so" kinda thing.
 

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You are one of the more grounded and reasonable posters on this board. I agree the role of the NJ newspapers and media sites that host the NJ newspapers is to not be cheerleaders for RU.

Two questions for you. Did you find the headline that is the topic of this thread even just a little bit over the top and slanted to paint Rutgers in a bad light? I found the framing to be odd when PJ worked at Rutgers almost 15 years ago and he has been a head coach for many years.

Second question is do you notice the other major NJ news outlet, Gannett, which includes app.com, mycentraljersey.com and North Jersey.com rarely runs such stories or headlines? There are two non sports reporters at Gannett who write a series of articles on spending on RU athetics, but they at least attempt to make their stories fact-based and not bombastic.

The only writer I find worthwhile reading from NJ.com is Todderick Hunt. He is a good writer and reports the facts in an neutral tone and sprinkles in interesting tidbits. The other beat writer I like is at Gannett NJ, Chris Iseman. Good writer, fact based stories and no drama. Steve Politi, on the other hand is a major drama queen style of writer, who often goes for the negative slant.
I ahree with everything.

As for the story and headline- way over the top and made to look like a negative Rutgers slant and it worked. If they just said "Minnesota HC and former Rutgers Asst Coach" Then it would have been less clickbait and yet still bring in the interest of NJ people.

Now, why did they feel the need to do this with a HC from another school and a guy that has not been here in over 15 years and for that matter- a very short time? Well, it is because of many of the fans on THESE sites that continue to also make Fleck major news everytime he picks his nose.

As for the story itself- where there is smoke...And if I wanted to FLAME- I would have headlined it "2nd Schiano protégé to be accused of falsifying drug tests and toxic lockerrooms"... lol
 

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I ahree with everything.

As for the story and headline- way over the top and made to look like a negative Rutgers slant and it worked. If they just said "Minnesota HC and former Rutgers Asst Coach" Then it would have been less clickbait and yet still bring in the interest of NJ people.

Now, why did they feel the need to do this with a HC from another school and a guy that has not been here in over 15 years and for that matter- a very short time? Well, it is because of many of the fans on THESE sites that continue to also make Fleck major news everytime he picks his nose.

As for the story itself- where there is smoke...And if I wanted to FLAME- I would have headlined it "2nd Schiano protégé to be accused of falsifying drug tests and toxic lockerrooms"... lol
That was Flood, and they could have had a subtext- the ominous parallels of two proteges. Nonsense, but as Michael Corleone said "They might like a story like that, right?"
 

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Here's a gem:


"Authorities investigating death of woman found on Rutgers University Campus"

Now was she found in NB or Pway?

Of course not. She was found in Newark. But that was mysteriously omitted from the headline.

Just like Fleck being the HC at Minnesota was missing.

It's called false light. And it's gross. There's plenty of crazy things happening to write about without trying to make everything about a school that is on the upswing in every single way.

I guess you’re just gonna ignore the positive stories I linked…

Be better my man!!
 

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I guess you’re just gonna ignore the positive stories I linked…

Be better my man!!
So being a child or spouse abuser only a little bit of the time is OK if you are nice most of the time? I made the analogy above- so once in a while, cheap backhand slaps to Rutgers' face are OK if they are nice at other times?
 
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So being a child or spouse abuser only a little bit of the time is OK if you are nice most of the time? I made the analogy above- so once in a while, cheap backhand slaps to Rutgers' face are OK if they are nice at other times?

It’s not my place to say what’s ok and what isn’t ok. And that’s not what we’re discussing.

RHouse said they never write anything positive, I linked a bunch of positive stories and now he’s just silent. Would be nice if people would fess up to their mistakes on social media
 

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It’s not my place to say what’s ok and what isn’t ok. And that’s not what we’re discussing.

RHouse said they never write anything positive, I linked a bunch of positive stories and now he’s just silent. Would be nice if people would fess up to their mistakes on social media
I will agree with you if that's what NotinRHouse said. And I have indicated they do write some good stuff. And I have no problem with objective critical journalism. The problem a lot of us have with the Start Ledger/NJ.com is their negative/slanted framing of headlines that unnecessarily paint Rutgers in a bad light like the original story in this thread and dragging out false facts to knock the University down.
 
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I will agree with you if that's what NotinRHouse said. And I have indicated they do write some good stuff. And I have no problem with objective critical journalism. The problem a lot of us have with the Start Ledger/NJ.com is their negative/slanted framing of headlines that unnecessarily paint Rutgers in a bad light like the original story in this thread and dragging out false facts to knock the University down.

That’s fine, but I just disagree that they do what you mention….maybe they have in the past. Sure.

I don’t think anyone reading the fleck story will come away the conclusion that rutgers is bad….
 

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That’s fine, but I just disagree that they do what you mention….maybe they have in the past. Sure.

I don’t think anyone reading the fleck story will come away the conclusion that rutgers is bad….

I do agree, however, that they do SLANT headlines towards RU…both positive and negative stories…

Again, reason being is cause it’s an NJ media outlet looking for clicks, so they’re going to feature RU in headlines for SEO purposes.
 
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NotinRHouse distinctly asked me the last positive piece they wrote. He’s certainly arguing that.

Right, and those came before, in the span of the week, NJ.com's implication that RU was home to an abusive coach and a mysterious campus death.

You're justifying clickbait and then wondering why people are so troubled by your industry.

I don't need to calm down, I just wonder why anyone would be loyal to clickbait over their alma mater.
 
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