Per nj.com- no reasoning in article, just says "violation of team rules"
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Anthony Cioffi suspended for one game
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How about in Game 11 you don't let down your teammates by doing something stupid? Where/when are the players accountable for THEIR actions?
Maybe im off base but I feel like if kids really want to play and are enjoying the season they are on their best behavior...or at least better behavior.
It is obvious the players have no respect for Flood or the program.
There is no leadership. Flood has lost all control.
Again....I'll say it a little s l o w e r for you...
At some point its up to YOU to show respect for YOURSELF and act the part on AND off the field.
Stop deflecting the blame from where it should really be directed at in this particular case.
GAME 11.
Obviously there us a zero tolerance policy in place if he deserves to be suspended than suspend him NO ONE and I repeat NO ONE is above the team
Coaches are,to use the Latin Phrase,IN LOCUS PARENTI.As ALL teachers are. They are IN PLACE OF THE PARENT. Ergo: When your kid screws up,you are responsible.
Disagree.
By the argument you are making, once a kid is in the program for a period of time, they should be on cruise control.
Cioffi has been here for years. What difference does game 1 vs. game 11 mean?
People skirt authority when they have no respect for it.
That authority is what keeps a group of 110 testosterone laced men, with a propensity for violent collisions, in line.
I expect a young man who has been here for a few years to grow up when he is the program. At this stage your "cruise control" should have you doing the right thing on and off the field. If you still need a Mommy and Daddy type coach for this it's YOU.
I used the Game 11 as an example because with all that has gone on in this particular season you would think maybe somebody wouldn't do something stupid enough at this stage of the season to jeopardize themselves or more importantly their teammates and the Program.
Again, IMO in this particular case the blame solely lands on #31.
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So when ever are YOU as "the kid" responsible?
And can we stop with the calling them kids crap? Can they vote, can they drive, did they register for Selective Service? If you answer yes to those three, ya ain't a kid.
Young? No doubt.
Immature? Sure looks like it.
Kid? They are all out of HS now, yes?
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Most college kids are allowed to do everything except consume alcohol. Whether you agree with the current minimum age for that or not, do you feel that starting quarterback Chris Laviano should have been more responsible than to be caught using a fake ID to get into bars mere days before the start of the season? And was his punishment commensurate with Cioffis?
I don't know what Cioffi did nor do I care.
But if the powers that be feel a suspension is warranted. I am fine with that.
As I said in the beginning of the season when the Laviano thing happened and now this...These guys are not like MOST college kids. And whether you agree with the scrutiny or not that comes along with being 1A B1G FB player at a school, it comes with the territory ALONG with the responsibility of acting like one on and off the field.
THIS. When people here talk about Miami in the 80's or the Florida arrests under Meyer, why does everyone look at the coach/program and not preach the 'individual responsibility' piece? Because it happened so many damn times that it seemed fairly evident that it was also a program/ atmosphere issue along with individuals making lousy decisions...how many of our guys have been disciplined this year????
Joe P.
So when does this personal responsibility start?
When is it ever YOUR fault?
That is my question.
Efdny, it is Cioffi's fault. I'm not against the suspension and whatever happens there happens. At the same time though, how many incidents have to happen before some people say, 'hey, something doesn't seem right here; what are these coaches doing that so many players keep getting in trouble at a rate we haven't seen in years, if ever?'
Joe P.
Joe P.
So when do YOU as the player own YOUR actions that can result in some bad stuff to your teammates, program and school?
That really is my only question here. And I believe one that is just as fair.
I am not disagreeing with that at all.
I just feel for the biggest and strongest people on campus it sure seems they get treated with the "kid's gloves treatment" way too much IMO.
I'm not saying that it's ultimately not Cioffi's fault. Of course it is.
But if you're not asking WHY kids are skirting authority, I think you're missing a good chunk of it.
D1 football players are aggressive, risk taking guys.
What reigns them in? Personal responsibility? or fear of the coaching staff?
come on...
But if you're not asking WHY kids are skirting authority, I think you're missing a good chunk of it.
D1 football players are aggressive, risk taking guys.
What reigns them in? Personal responsibility? or fear of the coaching staff?
come on...
Agree. But my question is when is it fair to ask what portion falls on the player?
It seems sometimes on here if we ask that we are reminded of * this but not so much of + that.
According to some it's too little, too late. He should have taken control of the team a few years ago when he became HC.
Flood is the quintessential player's coach and the kids knew they could get away with practically anything and Flood would always give them another chance.
It all falls on the player. Cioffi was suspended.
And when there are a STRING of such events, the guy in charge loses his job. Just like in the SEAL teams and in the Fire Department. This really isn't hard...
Of course. We are in agreement on all of this.
But I'm just sick and tired of the "they're just kids" excuse we hear all the time on this forum.
This is an easy one to interpret. When a kid like Anthony Cioffi, a borderline D-I player as it is, has so little respect for a coach's authority, that coach has no authority. I hope Fludd is there forever, only because he ensures your continued descent into oblivion. Just being honest...
Since you're there already, how's the view?
I would like to know that, before I help with the rope.
But don't feel sorry for any player that breaks the rules and gets suspended.
Also when players are getting suspended , left and right, the HC bares part of the responsibility
because a well run program that stresses character doesn't have a lot of players deserving to be suspended.
Some programs are considered well run because they are perennial winners, but don't stress character, those programs I'm not talking about.
Some of them make a farce out of discipline and many times their discipline are based on the next opponent.