Antonio Conner could be playing in a stout secondary the next 4 years....
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After today's get, I do think anything's possible.
Unfortunately, we could literally pull down our best class ever, wind up top 10 or 12, and still have to watch ole miss end up with a top 5 class.
I'd love to see us beat them on Conner.
Unfortunately, we could literally pull down our best class ever, wind up top 10 or 12, and still have to watch ole miss end up with a top 5 class.
I'd love to see us beat them on Conner.
I seriously could not care less about OM's class. This will sound "homer-ish", but I feel like we recruited far better this year when it comes to NEEDS. We followed up last year's strong DLine and LB class, with a super strong OLine and WR class, as well as a huge RB pick up, CB pick up, and the possibility of Cord and Dobbs at QB....that is an insane class.
OM has some star power, but I'm pumped about how our class sets us up for the next 3-4 years when combined with last years.
There you go with that "NEEDS" stuff again. This class is solid because we got alot of good players period. We really didn't need anything with this class except WR, mainly just to get some seniority. And we obviously need a QB. Look at Chris Jones, do we theoretically NEED another DL after all we got last year? No, but we sign him because he a freaking beast.
We recruited well on defense last year because that was what was available to us, namely DL, because of Fletcher Cox's success. That's why we're racking up on athletes this year.....Johnthan Banks and the fact that we're chunking it around on offense. Recruiting a bunch of linemen each year should be a given.
And before you get your feelings hurt, we're splitting hairs here. But some of you guys aren't fundamentally looking at recruiting correctly.
We recruited well on defense last year because that was what was available to us, namely DL, because of Fletcher Cox's success. That's why we're racking up on athletes this year.....Johnthan Banks and the fact that we're chunking it around on offense. Recruiting a bunch of linemen each year should be a given.
And before you get your feelings hurt, we're splitting hairs here. But some of you guys aren't fundamentally looking at recruiting correctly.
You're such an idiot. It's a given that we recruited great talent, dumbass. I'm saying what separates our great talent from their great talent, is that we filled more needs. And yes, we did NEED Jones, because we need a pass rusher. Quay and James are DTackles.
So once again, in an attempt to try and be a smartass, you prove to be a dumbass.
Do we need DBs? Seems like we have Giles, Redmond, Arrington, Whitley, Hughes, Love, Jackson, Market, Calhoun, Antoine. Cox, Coman too. Why are we after Sills and the Alexanders so hard? Because we can, because Banks is going first round and Townsend is the DB coach.
Why are we recruiting 4 OL? I mean, our OL now has tons of depth for the next two years? The answer - there was a plethora of good OL in MS this year, so we capitalize.
In English for you....you hit up JUCO for immediate needs. You hit HS for the best talent you can find, then you mold it. Ask Freeze. People thought they'd suck because they had holes at certain positions. What did he do? Moved his talent from other positions to make up for it. Get the best players on the field.
Gene Stallings, "The only player you NEED is a QB and C. If you recruit based on needs you come up broke."
Why are we recruiting 4 OL? I mean, our OL now has tons of depth for the next two years? The answer - there was a plethora of good OL in MS this year, so we capitalize.
In English for you....you hit up JUCO for immediate needs. You hit HS for the best talent you can find, then you mold it. Ask Freeze. People thought they'd suck because they had holes at certain positions. What did he do? Moved his talent from other positions to make up for it. Get the best players on the field.
Gene Stallings, "The only player you NEED is a QB and C. If you recruit based on needs you come up broke."
Dumb 17ing ***....listen, I'm talking about NEEDS for two-three years down the road, you moron. That's why I mentioned how last year was a DL and LB class, this year is a OL, WR, QB class...meaning IT's BALANCED. You have to be able to look further than next season to understand what I'm saying.
Quit trying to be a smartass, because you are DEAD WRONG on this one. We didn't have WR's our OLinemen in last year's class, so we NEEDED those positions this year so that in 3-4 years we have great talent at ALL positions.
Maybe you should stick to another topic, because you are making yourself look dumb.
We tried to sign QBs last year too. Give it up. So, I guess if we have one spot left, and we have a 'need for two-three years down the road' for a OL, but we have a chance to sign a 5 star CB, we should blow him off for a lineman. Yep, I see your point now. No, we sign the 5 star and fill that other position with a fat TE or something.
Just like when Nutt turned C.J. into a defensive lineman. He did that to get the most talent on the field. There obviously was a bigger 'need' at DE than LB for them, so you fill in with the best players you got.
Just like when Nutt turned C.J. into a defensive lineman. He did that to get the most talent on the field. There obviously was a bigger 'need' at DE than LB for them, so you fill in with the best players you got.
Keep trying to dig out of that hole, but once again, you're wrong.
I didn't say we were recruiting to fill needs. I said we are filling more needs with our recruiting class. Big difference. Nowhere did I say you should recruit to fill needs....but if you can get a great class AND it manages to complement the great class from the year before in terms of NEEDS.... Then that is far better in my opinion than to get a lot of stars but be lacking in key positions, as OM does. They will need a good OL class next year, to avoid having to go heavy on JUCO in a few years....which is a perfect example of what I'm talking about.
Dont twist my words just because you're looking foolish.
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not saying i wouldn't take some of ole miss commits, but i find it interesting that ole miss has a VERY weak OL class. they only have 2 OL commits, neither rated higher than an 83 on 247 composite. by comparison, we have 4 OL commits, 1 4*, 2 high 3*, and 1 83 on 247 composite. we not only have quality, but we have depth in the OL class. ole miss has neither.
Agree. He had a good streak a few weeks back, but he's now back to his usual awful self.
You two lame brains just got duped by a fake twitter account..........
you are meant for each other. Cry some more about our fans.
you are meant for each other. Cry some more about our fans.
This will get them in trouble in very short order. I dont know what their remaining targets look like in terms of OL, but you should sign at least 4 or 5 OL every year. I dont give a damn how much depth you think you have at that position. The fact remains that OL is the hardest position to project in college, regardless of star ranking.
Are you really too stupid to tell the difference?
Both us and Ole Miss are going after great players. And both are getting great players. Our great commits are just filling our needs more than OM's, in my opinion.
Does that mean we are "recruiting to fill needs"? No. It means that we have gotten some great players at positions that we needed to get them to compliment last years class. Intentional? Maybe, maybe not...but either way that's what is happening.
You are either just trying to be difficult because you know you're wrong...or you're just much dumber than I thought. Which would be saying something.
Exactly...
OM's entire OL roster:
2 SR
9 JR
2 SO
2 rsFR
2 hsFR
2 in signing class
They've got six roster OL that will be younger than seniors next year. Given the 2 commitments, that makes eight roster OL looking at the 2014 season.
I can see the problem coming from a mile away. They are going to have to key on JUCO in a HUGE way next year and hope they don't miss on any of those guys. Our single biggest recruiting victory this year is getting most of the OL talent in MS this year -- a year in which we've had the best talent at the position in quite some time in MS.
Possible to sign 2 more OL before all is finished this year. Will get one or two of Kirkland, Golson, Tunsil, Skipper.
Chew, you are correct...
I try not to get too involved with recruiting, but I always track our OL recruits and DL to some extent. These matter more in my pinion than any of the others combined.
I try not to get too involved with recruiting, but I always track our OL recruits and DL to some extent. These matter more in my pinion than any of the others combined.
the university of olemiss has had Top 5 recruiting classes on signing day...
..for years. However, by the time the players actually report in the fall, their class usually falls to 30-40. Then after 4 years, there's maybe one or two players who lived up to the hype. The university of ole miss has always been about symbolism over substance. For 50 years, they've been trying to bring back what Integration and Two-platoon football took away from them.
..for years. However, by the time the players actually report in the fall, their class usually falls to 30-40. Then after 4 years, there's maybe one or two players who lived up to the hype. The university of ole miss has always been about symbolism over substance. For 50 years, they've been trying to bring back what Integration and Two-platoon football took away from them.
Ole Miss is having a great recruiting year and so are we, nothing wrong with
that unless you are a zero sum gamer which there is no shortage of on either side. If we
can correct the chemistry issues we had this past year with problems caused on the team
due to the issues among the coaches then we have the talent to have another good year and
possibly a great year.
I will probably get shredded by our Ole Miss friends for this but I still think we lead in overall talent right now. I honestly think Bo Wallace was an absolute savior for Ole Miss this year and if they had not had him they would not have surpassed 3 wins. But the fact is they do have him and with the talent they are bringing in they are going to be a good team and possibly a great team just like us. A lot depends on team chemistry and coaching, they had it this year and we didn't.
that unless you are a zero sum gamer which there is no shortage of on either side. If we
can correct the chemistry issues we had this past year with problems caused on the team
due to the issues among the coaches then we have the talent to have another good year and
possibly a great year.
I will probably get shredded by our Ole Miss friends for this but I still think we lead in overall talent right now. I honestly think Bo Wallace was an absolute savior for Ole Miss this year and if they had not had him they would not have surpassed 3 wins. But the fact is they do have him and with the talent they are bringing in they are going to be a good team and possibly a great team just like us. A lot depends on team chemistry and coaching, they had it this year and we didn't.
I think we will be much better simply due to the fact that we have corrected those chemistry issues.
I think the overall talent is either close to equal or y'all slightly lead. Our two older classes have some talent, just not near enough. Not a single senior next year looks to play at the next level even undrafted. After this class reaches campus I think we have a clear advantage in the underclassmen. Almost all of our all-SEC talent is young and there will be a huge influx of highly projected players as freshmen next year.
I'm not sure if it was covered, but we have at least 5 OL still on our board, looking to land 2 or 3 more. Tunsil (5 star), Kirkland (4 star), Denson (4 star), Golson (4 star), and Skipper (3 star) are still on our board. Some are longer shots than others, but I would bet we end up with at least 2 more for a total of 4. OL has been the biggest concern I've seen in this class since a lot of prospects are uncommitted and not necessarily heavy leans either, but it looks like we may round out a very solid OL class if we can make some headway next weekend.
First, let me just say it is refreshing to see both of our schools, for the most part, beating out more established programs like the Auburns and Tennessees and the like of the world than each other and USM and/or C-USA and Sun Belt schools.
That said, to make the statement regarding needs, one would have to have knowledge of the needs of both schools.
I am curious about the MSU view of our needs this recruiting season. What areas have we focused on too much, and which areas have we not focused on enough?
I thought you should have focused on a JUCO OL... at least 1 this year to help ease the transition after almost your whole OL 2-deep leaves next year. I have no doubt that Freeze will focus HEAVILY on JUCO OL next year, I just think it's a risky proposition overall...
Nutt left you with a GAPING hole in OL recruiting that is 1 yr of negligence worse than the one Mullen inherited from Croom. Almost 100% of our difficulties in year 3 under Mullen can be traced to that position group. Had we stayed 100% healthy, we would have probably been ok. A couple early season injuries + Relf cracking a few ribs early against LSU = a disappointing season. Even if you clean up and get 4-5 good highschoolers this year, are you going to expect those guys to start and be successful as RS FR in the SEC? Tunsil maybe. The others, I'm not at all sure about. I certainly don't look for any of our OL commits to play early. I'm of the opinion that 99% of the OL that MSU or OM gets need to be in year 3 before they are truly ready to compete in the SEC...
That's the only position I really fault your recruiting at all...
Nutt left you with a GAPING hole in OL recruiting that is 1 yr of negligence worse than the one Mullen inherited from Croom. Almost 100% of our difficulties in year 3 under Mullen can be traced to that position group. Had we stayed 100% healthy, we would have probably been ok. A couple early season injuries + Relf cracking a few ribs early against LSU = a disappointing season. Even if you clean up and get 4-5 good highschoolers this year, are you going to expect those guys to start and be successful as RS FR in the SEC? Tunsil maybe. The others, I'm not at all sure about. I certainly don't look for any of our OL commits to play early. I'm of the opinion that 99% of the OL that MSU or OM gets need to be in year 3 before they are truly ready to compete in the SEC...
That's the only position I really fault your recruiting at all...
Hard for me to compare because I haven't really looked over your roster that closely but I KNOW our talent is going up because the class we signed last year and will sign this year are BOTH significantly more talented than the 2 classes Mullen signed before those. Our recruiting class last year was possibly the most talented defensive class in our entire history. This year is going to be very good as well but more balanced across offense and defense.
Darone Bailey, a JUCO OL, redshirted last year because he was trying to fully recover from a knee injury. OL is certainly an early concern for 2014, but if we get 1 or 2 more HS OL this year and add a JUCO OL next year, the numbers will be fine.
True, you guys really have no concerns.. You're talented, deep, and just all around great at every position.***
Good to see you're back, I did ask you a question. What areas have we focused on too much, and which areas have we not focused on enough?
Nobody cares what you think...
...I come here to read MSU stuff yet am constantly forced to step around the turds you have deposited in every thread. Your days here are numbered, however, so I am willing to be patient.
...I come here to read MSU stuff yet am constantly forced to step around the turds you have deposited in every thread. Your days here are numbered, however, so I am willing to be patient.