Anybody remember Mcready downplaying Nutt's victories in 2008?

[Coach34]

Anybody remember Mcready downplaying Nutt's victories in 2008 for their Cotton Bowl when LSU, UPig, and Auburn had losing SEC records- with Auburn and UPig having losing records overall as well?

2008 SEC standings:

Alabama 8-0
Mississippi 5-3
LSU 3-5
State 2-6
Auburn 2-6
UPig 2-6

All I remember hearing from the Bears and their writers was how Nutt was going to bring them to prominence- not about how Mississippi lucked out in a down SEC

How much did beating Tim Tebow and Fla in 2008 help their program? Did it elevate it? Seems I recall them going 1-15 in the SEC in 2010 and 2011

Stop letting those idiots play on your insecurities as a fan, It not only embarrasses you and makes you look bad- it does it for the rest of the fanbase also. We went thru 5 years of Croom with everyone liking our coach and telling us what a good man he was. How we were lucky to have a coach like Croom. Now we got a guy everybody hates-if you dont think the other schools want Mullen out ASAP- then you dont have the sense that God gave a turnip.

 

[Railin Jemmye]

I agree, BUT.....

had Nutt actually recruited and played off that success, they might could have built themselves a program. Instead, Nutt didn't recruit squat and was looking to jump to a bigger job. He really wanted the Auburn job, for one. They did beat the eventual national champions at their place. See, that's the deal, you have to have success, then actually build off of it.

Of course, none of that has anything to do with the negative propaganda campaign being spewed by rebel nation right now.

 

[Coach34]

had Nutt actually recruited and played off that success, they might could have built themselves a program. Instead, Nutt didn't recruit squat and was looking to jump to a bigger job. He really wanted the Auburn job, for one. They did beat the eventual national champions at their place. See, that's the deal, you have to have success, then actually build off of it.

Of course, none of that has anything to do with the negative propaganda campaign being spewed by rebel nation right now.

shoulda, woulda, coulda...did that 2008 win elevate their program??? 17 no it didnt. Program building is about building your brand by having winning seasons and going to bowl games. That is what elevates your program- not some once in a blue moon upset.

 

[randystewart]

"Instead, Nutt didn't recruit squat"

This statement is the bullshits. Look back at the rankings, Nutt did recruit and we had to hear about it every signing day.

 

[cheewgumm]

Spot on. I don't see why people are complaining.We have a shot at 9-3.

Our only losses are against 3 of the absolute top teams in the country.

Letting Mullen go would be a HUGE, unprecedented mistake.

 

[Railin Jemmye]

He didn't recruit at all......

Tyrone Nix did all the recruiting and he's not a miracle worker. They got Pat Patterson and Bobby Massie after the 2008 season, that's about it. The bagmen pulled that one. The rest of these players were 2nd rate out of state thugs with issues who fell in his lap.

After 2009, when he found out they weren't getting the big gig, he went to the bagmen even more. They cleaned us up in 2011, no way around it. I don't think that will happen again now, since we've painted ourselves as a viable winner.

 

[57stratdawg]

It wasn't recruiting that got Nutt - it was attrition. They brought talent into the program, but they couldn't keep it there. When your program starts to turn guys out, unless you're Alabama or Florida, it causes problems. Pretty soon you've got guys starting who aren't ready to start, and that's what ultimately brought them down.

 

[opieT]

shoulda, woulda, coulda...did that 2008 win elevate their program 17 no it didnt. Program building is about building your brand by having winning seasons and going to bowl games. That is what elevates your program- not some once in a blue moon upset.

This says it all! Sure everyone wants that big upset of say Alabama this year. Florida 2008 but they don't happen that much and when they do they are just short term gains. It take continued winning to build something and that's what Mullen has done. Our administration has done a VERY good job of not becoming short sighted and that's what we need!

 

[stinkfoot]

It wasn't recruiting that got Nutt - it was attrition. They brought talent into the program, but they couldn't keep it there. When your program starts to turn guys out, unless you're Alabama or Florida, it causes problems. Pretty soon you've got guys starting who aren't ready to start, and that's what ultimately brought them down.

it was Nutt's first two classes that brought him down. His first class had little talent and a good amount of attrition. His second class had a lot of talent on paper (recruits swimming to the boat after their first choice started slow-playing them) and a ton of attrition (the worst i can remember for any signing class). We are still trying to recover from that today.

 

[SkullCandy.sixpack]

Letting Mullen go would be insane! Who would come here if we fired a coach with his record? At the risk of sounding like a broken record, we need to recruit better to stay where we are, much less go to the next level. Sure our only losses were to 3 teams ranked in the top 10, but who did we beat? One of the sorriest non-conference schedules in the country, and our SEC wins were against teams with a combined SEC record of 2-26--and none had a winning record. The only teams we beat with a winning record were Middle Tennessee (mightly Sun Belt conference) and a SWAC team. You think Auburn, Tennessee & Arkansaw are going to stay down here? We won't able to match this year's wins in 3 years without better recruiting. To do that I say we need to upgrade our schedule. The Bears get more attention in losing close games to better teams than we get beating JSU. If you beat a cadaver (I stole that, but it's great) everyone says "So what?" If you actually lose (and let's face it, we came close) you look like a joke. Worst of all, a SWAC team isn't going to exactly get you ready for Bama. We looked like they spiked the Gatorade in those losses. I'm not saying play USC, Notre Dame and Oregon for non com games, but why not 2 cadavers and 2 teams like Maryland, or Wisconsin? I still think losing one of those looks better than looking bored and flat against Alcorn, and it sure gets you more ready for quality SEC schools. What else can we possibly do to recruit better at this point? We go to bowl after bowl but recruits are ranked 15-28, depending on the service. 6 SEC teams are in the top 10--every year. That puts us in the bottom half of the conference forever, There is no "next level" without change. This is it--and it goes down from here when those 2-26 teams get new coaches.

 

[Incognegro]

Rankings don't mean as much when you factor in attrition. Retaining players is also a big part of recruiting, and he was terrible at that.

 

[AlSwearengen]

Remember this about the KLUCKERS.

If you take just one thing into the next life with you, realize that the kluckers spend every waking moment of their lives trying to become the only relevant football school in MS. Their biggest hurdle to that is MSU and they will use every possible outlet and method available to them to tear us down or minimize our accomplishments. They have to do this because our school is obviously the more attractive choice to the average african american athlete and therefore, we have a natural advantage. Imagine their program if they didn't buy, adopt, harass, and blackmail recruits to the extent they do. They would be so bad they might get the boot from the conference. Tearing us down and undermining us at every turn is to be expected from them and you should always be wary of anything they say, good or bad.

 

[BiscuitEater]

Slow down a sec there bucko ...

The Bears get more attention in losing close games to better teams than we get beating JSU.

Think we will get a lot more attention playing in a NYD bowl than sitting home with a group of 'moral victories.'. Also, the three OM fans here in my office ALL disagree with your point. They get together and cuss Pete Boone for scheduling Texas. If only they had scheduled JSU (and won this time), they would not have to beat State to get bowl eligible.

Yes, our OOC teams were not as strong this year; we upgrade and start with Okie State next year. And, in the future we can add some OOC teams that are more competitive BUT while the hogs and Auburn are down, we need to continue to build our team and go bowling every year.