Anyone else expecting legal action to follow?
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I wonder if this decision is impacted at all by the Fenwick principal being the at-large private school member on the IHSA Board of Directors.
That or the fact the alumni base is around 40% in the legal field.
As a coach and parent of 2 boys who both played high school football this year We sat down last night and had a great discussion about the whole situation and the way the game ended. There question to me WAS if I was put in this same situation as a coach and knew the rule would I have taken the extra down and my response to them was no I didnt deserve it. As players they both agreed that if the rule was known and not enforced they wouldnt have taken the win they didnt deserve. Yes I believe Fenwick should do everything that is at there disposal to fight this outcome. IHSA preaches sportsmanship and this cuts to the core of there message if Plainfield North beats East St. Louis will ther be an asterick placed next to there name. The decision that was enforced was wrong so it should be corrected.
If Fenwick went to court and won would the IHSA cancel the championship game like they did with the wrestling finals when MC won their lawsuit?
You really think an attorney is going to care if the principal is on the BOD?? The principal can ask not to sue but its going to happen. what comes out of it who knows
Hey I said this last night, with all the "Do What's Right" rethortic on the IHSA website I was shocked to see the videos that have played throughout the past few years playoff no longer on the IHSA website. Seems only the students pledge to "Do What's right" remains! Come on IHSA man up here and "Do What's Right" your commercial even showed a situation in a hoops game where the coach refuses to cheat the system. Follow your own advice.
If the principal and administration of Fenwick do not want to sue, then it won't happen...at least not at the school level. A player (or players) might try to sue, but that is different in that the player/s would be suing on his/their behalf, not the school's.
that was my point the school may not sue but people on behalf of the players will
If so, blame the refs for not knowing the rules, not Fenwick. Fight for what is rightfully yours!
The monolith that is the IHSA should be held up to legal scrutiny in this matter on principle alone. In their public service announcements at contests, they claim "security will always have priority over convenience." How about "justice having priority over convenience" regarding this issue? One has to wonder who, with the big administrative salaries, is "minding the store" (and available for consultation) in Bloomington while critical playoff games are being contested?
One has to wonder who, with the big administrative salaries, is "minding the store" (and available for consultation) in Bloomington while critical playoff games are being contested?
-No one. Remember the Brunson incident 2 years ago? The Executive Director was on vacation, during the Boys Basketball state finals.
All of this make sense IF PN won on the last play of the game. The fact that the game went to overtime mean the blunder didn't cost Fenwick the game. I think its bad for adults to miss this very important point. The kick sent the game into overtime which made the game 0-0. Both teams had an opportunity to win in overtime. To me once the game was allowed to go into overtime the overtime results should stand. I would totally agree with all actions had PN threw up passed and scored a TD to win the game on the last play. In that case I would definitely overturn the ruling and I also think the IHSA would have overturned it.
To say that something shouldn't have happened after the fact is simply lawyer talk for the sake of argument. If you bet a person and win but agree to double or nothing, then the results of the second bet counts. Let's face it, no one at that game knew the rule and the game was at Fenwick right?
At this point, there is no cloud or asterisk tagged to the game. True Fenwick fans and faithfuls will always feel robbed and I can understand why. What I don't understand is why take a hard stance and fight to the end once you lose and not before the overtime?
To say that something shouldn't have happened after the fact is simply lawyer talk for the sake of argument. If you bet a person and win but agree to double or nothing, then the results of the second bet counts. Let's face it, no one at that game knew the rule and the game was at Fenwick right?
At this point, there is no cloud or asterisk tagged to the game. True Fenwick fans and faithfuls will always feel robbed and I can understand why. What I don't understand is why take a hard stance and fight to the end once you lose and not before the overtime?
What?
The game went to OT BECAUSE of the misinterpretation of the rules. It's not like the game was tied at :01 left. It became tied because of an illegal untimed down with :00 on the clock. Fenwick won the game, fair and square, and their victory was taken from them. In so many words, and with their apology to the school, the IHSA admitted as much.
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I was thinking the same thing except I would go a step further. The second they let that next play happen that was the big mistake. The IHSA would never overturn the out come. The same thing happens in any game when theirs a possible replay. Once the next play starts the game continues. They are not going to overturn the game. I don't see it happening. As for the lawyers. The finals will most likely have been played before this ever makes it to court especially if the IHSA fights it.
All that is true but once you decide to proceed, then you agree to the second outcome. Fenwick absolutely could have refused to play right?
Unfortunately if you overturn this game, you need to go back and look at the entire season for every team that played. Even an 0-9 team that was wronged would have affected the outcome of the brackets (playoff points) and there by the matchups. So much so that teams that were in say 8A could have been pushed to 7A and so forth.
It's a bad situation, for certain, but as I always say, when you set a precedent, expect to live with the results and apply that same precedent going forward, every time.
It's a bad situation, for certain, but as I always say, when you set a precedent, expect to live with the results and apply that same precedent going forward, every time.
As in baseball, If they knew they were right and the game should have been over, could Fenwick have played the rest of the game under protest?
Heres what really makes me sick with the IHSA. The IHSA had a chance to correct this on Saturday and elected to hide behind nonsense Bylaws with selective enforcement. Look at page 7 of the Form 990 to see how absurd some of these political HACKS are paid. The form filed January of 2016 is for 2014 while Marty Hickman was still on the payroll in retirement with compensation of $581,534 plus $11,421 in other comp. He averaged around $300k over the prior 4-5 years and salted away a ton of deferred income for retirement. All this income while managing a paltry $11MM/year organization, this makes me want to PUKE! Tell me this isn't a politicians package??!!!
http://990s.foundationcenter.org/99...990.pdf?_ga=1.225944154.1380832499.1479773598
http://990s.foundationcenter.org/99...990.pdf?_ga=1.225944154.1380832499.1479773598
And everyone (every school) "volunteer's" to be governed by this Body? Time to overhaul IHSA and/or create a new governing body to supervise High School Sports.
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actually you are wrong! The coach could have demanded a review of the rules once the call was made. This didn't happen because he didn't know the rule. As a matter of fact he thought that questionable play call by him cost them the game. Now that the outcome isn't desired people want to say it shouldn't have happened. If you truly believed that, the untimed down would not have been played. Even the threat of forfeit would have forced everyone to research the rule and make the right call. It's easier to overturn a forfeit versus overturning finals results after both teams agreed to okay the overtime.
There are many who have standing with this issue. Takes one pissed off attorney to set the wheels in motion.