Anyone hear urban on francessa?
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I think it was all about Meyer and Ohio State and his philosophies. I only heard a few minutes but the part I did Meyer talked about the 10% elite on his team, the 80% who have to work at everything and the 10% who were lost. He said that latter group he would give opportunity to make amends but was not about taking time out from helping the other 90% to focus on that "bad" 10%. That struck me given the contrast to Flood who gives 2nd and 3rd chances and how he used horrible decision making with Barnwell and it turned out the rest of the team suffered. Its interesting that Meyer said something to the effect they recruit guys that "fit" into the Ohio State type of person and those that don't fit he encourages to leave. I think the contrast between he and Flood was so stark in how they manage and pay attention to detail in a program
On the other hand you have Flood who proof reads homework in his spare time. 
When I went to the OSU game last year, we were driving back to my brothers wife's house. We were listening to urban on the radio for his post game press conference. He was criticizing the 2nd and 3rd string that allowed us to gain yards on them in the 4th quarter.
This is the key difference I've noticed with great coaches. They don't allow a win to cloud their judgement of poor performance. Flood (and schiano) certainly don't fit in this group.
This is the key difference I've noticed with great coaches. They don't allow a win to cloud their judgement of poor performance. Flood (and schiano) certainly don't fit in this group.
contrast that with posters on the board bitching because Meyer tried running the score up on some play in the 2nd half, not really running it up, he was testing out a play. Our fans cried yet Meyer was priming his team for a national championship run. Meanwhile Flood punts on 4th and 2 from the OSU 40 at home...oh mama
I imagine Meyer could write an interesting book and not just parp,
He has a fav book that he didn't write that I bought but haven't read yet (will this winter)
Behind The Book That Changed Urban Meyer And Led Him Back To Coaching
http://www.thepostgame.com/blog/bal...ged-urban-meyer-and-brought-him-back-coaching
bac,I am not surprised that Fat Mike would be stupid enough to eat up this ********, but your believing it surprises me. If Aaron Hernandez and Will Hill didn't make Meyer's 10% "bad" crew, I have to wonder exactly how horrific those 10% were? BTW, there were more than 30 player arrests at Florida on Urban Meyer's watch.
Maybe when Urban's coaching days are done, he can co-anchor the news with Brian Williams.
This . 31 players at Florida were arrested during meyer's tenure . He doesn't seem to get any heat for that . I guess because they won and Florida well is Florida . Winning is all that matters at this level . It's something some nimrods around here don't want to accept .
Didn't he have some relationships with coeds or soen thing too down there ?
And some here argues the 2nd and 3rd string were easy pickings on the last drive. What a joke. Meyer and the 1st string were pressuring it all to keep the shutout. The 1st down inside the 10 was nearly as pressure packed as the 1st qtr. If you don't recognize the OSU backups were geeked not to allow points then you missed something (including the assts intensity).
It's a small cultural thing that makes someone like Meyer in a different stratosphere than (I would rather be right than change) myopic Flood. It's a whole other level of competence and I don't think Flood has the makeup. He is likely doing the best he can he just outkicked his coverage with landing the head job.
It's a small cultural thing that makes someone like Meyer in a different stratosphere than (I would rather be right than change) myopic Flood. It's a whole other level of competence and I don't think Flood has the makeup. He is likely doing the best he can he just outkicked his coverage with landing the head job.
True, but let's cut the ******** that his charges have been model citizens. Maybe he is recruiting a higher caliber of person at tOSU than he did at Florida, but his recruits at FL had records that would make Darian Dailey or Dre Boggs blush.
I can't express to you in words how little I care. Please tell us all right now you wouldn't want Urban Meyer coaching Rutgers Football. He'd have the press eating out of his hand and the hated Star Ledger would treat him like a rock star
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So what your saying is Meyers thugs are better thugs than Floods thugs...
I don't think the "bad" in that context refers to character. I think it refers to football ability. Hence the 10% elite and 80% who have to work hard. People who aren't good enough football players, either because they are not elite or do not work hard enough are encouraged to leave.
While I'm not completely sure I believe once he was hired he immediately requested that the recruiting standards at OSU be relaxed. I agree with you in that it's a click above Florida but he's recruiting borderline kids at OSU who are terrific athletes. Trust me he's not winning a NC with student athletes. However at the end of the day does it matter? He's a great coach, with great Coordinator's and great athletes. Right now Urban is hitting on all cylinders. But he better be careful because Saben and the tide will give him all he could handle in December.
Great post! Amazing reading some of these posts considering player arrests dismissals and coach suspensions just this year.
at the end of the day, its about winning. Meyer is a great leader and manager. I have read posts on here from high and mighty that are comical saying they would never want Urban Meyer and never want to recruit and do the things like he does and that he does not care about his players like Flood does. That mantra that Flood is somehow different in a good way is so mom and pop, a way of thinking our fanbase desperately needs to shed if the football program ever wants to be relevant on the national level
Will Hill smoked a ton of weed and banged tons of chicks without condoms.
He didn't walk around campus in a ski mask robbing drug dealers.
But cool story, bro...
He didn't walk around campus in a ski mask robbing drug dealers.
But cool story, bro...
Liar gets a pass because he wins. We need to win more. /thread.
[roll]On the other hand you have Flood who proof reads homework in his spare time.
Actually, he said that the bottom 10% were the "defiant and disinterested". By his account, the bottom 10% was not based on performance, but effort.
Francesa didn't ask UM why he had 31 players arrested while he was at FLA, though. THUG U!
Ha - some of this stuff is just so precious. "Leader of men"? We're talking about a football coach, not King Leonidas.
UM is one of the best football coaches of all time. He's not exactly raising a race of noble warrior-poets that are developing a cure for kid's cancer. At least not the majority that helped him win all those games. Sure, a walk-on from Poughkeepsie might go on to do great things for mankind and the universe, but we all know - that **** don't count.
Not interested in comparing rap sheets, it's so pedantic. The guy wins. Full stop. No need to slobber over him with nonsense idolatry.
UM wins a lot of football games. They should erect a statue of him outside the stadium. Hmm, where have we seen that before...
UM is one of the best football coaches of all time. He's not exactly raising a race of noble warrior-poets that are developing a cure for kid's cancer. At least not the majority that helped him win all those games. Sure, a walk-on from Poughkeepsie might go on to do great things for mankind and the universe, but we all know - that **** don't count.
Not interested in comparing rap sheets, it's so pedantic. The guy wins. Full stop. No need to slobber over him with nonsense idolatry.
UM wins a lot of football games. They should erect a statue of him outside the stadium. Hmm, where have we seen that before...
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Actually, in a great piece of irony, Zappaa had almost the exact same quote about JoePa (i.e. as he does about UM above) about 3 months before the Sandusky scandal hit. Wonder if it could be an omen ... uh oh, watch out, Urban!
I agree with you about the idolatry.
That said, I can think of about 30 men's football and basketball programs who have statues, named courts or fields after a program changing head coach. Only one of them enabled child rape.
Just as making UM into "King Leonidas" does nothing for the debate, so does creating a false dichotomy that honoring a program changing coach leads to a delusional, sycophantic fan base.
I hear you. That was purposefully provocative. It's the internet - where boring is a bigger sin above all others. I'm just as bad, probably worse, than most here.
"Trust me he's not winning a NC with student athletes. However at the end of the day does it matter?"
"at the end of the day, its about winning"
While Meyer is no doubt a great football coach, do you guys really mean what you are posting (and not just those two posters)? I was fine w/ keeping Flood UNTIL his team started getting thrown in jail right and left and the perception of the team was that it is out of control. His record was good and we had some entertaining games with what we thought was a group of players we were happy to have represent our school. Now, I think he should be fired for his absolute ridiculous handling of the Barnwell situation where he admits he didn't do any of the compliance training he is required to do.
This is college football.....we are a non-profit public university with a mission of providing high quality higher education mostly to the residents of NJ who provide much of the funding to the school. I am not a RU1000 supporter, we can have a team that does things right much more often than not. We're not an NFL franchise nor are we the prison team from the Longest Yard. We should want to be competitive and play to win, but we should never want to do so by taking in gang members and other criminals who don't have any desire to get a college education. If you just want to win and be entertained, put your effort into supporting an NFL team. If we win big, wind up mid-pack or lose a bunch of games but do it with integrity, then my degree is all the better for it. I don't think the alumni (or any state resident) should be happy if we win with a bunch of criminals who don't really attend the school and are out committing crimes when not on the field.
"at the end of the day, its about winning"
While Meyer is no doubt a great football coach, do you guys really mean what you are posting (and not just those two posters)? I was fine w/ keeping Flood UNTIL his team started getting thrown in jail right and left and the perception of the team was that it is out of control. His record was good and we had some entertaining games with what we thought was a group of players we were happy to have represent our school. Now, I think he should be fired for his absolute ridiculous handling of the Barnwell situation where he admits he didn't do any of the compliance training he is required to do.
This is college football.....we are a non-profit public university with a mission of providing high quality higher education mostly to the residents of NJ who provide much of the funding to the school. I am not a RU1000 supporter, we can have a team that does things right much more often than not. We're not an NFL franchise nor are we the prison team from the Longest Yard. We should want to be competitive and play to win, but we should never want to do so by taking in gang members and other criminals who don't have any desire to get a college education. If you just want to win and be entertained, put your effort into supporting an NFL team. If we win big, wind up mid-pack or lose a bunch of games but do it with integrity, then my degree is all the better for it. I don't think the alumni (or any state resident) should be happy if we win with a bunch of criminals who don't really attend the school and are out committing crimes when not on the field.
surely there must be a happy medium. The football players don't have to be astrophysics majors but they also do not have to be thugs and criminals. Why must everything be all or nothing around here on this board?