Anyone suggesting CNN is more serious news outlet than Fox has no leg to stand on

[BombadEER]

I have a handkerchief you can borrow, sweetheart.

I'll take CNN's accuracy record over Fox's any time.

Has anyone accused CNN of having an atmosphere of sexual harassment prevalent in the organization?

Then you have a screw loose

 

[WhiteTailEER]

To answer you question I would first have to establish an objective standard of good and evil. Those who come from an atheistic point of view cannot do this. As a theist I can.

Second, I would point to the fact that by an objective standard of good an evil every human--health and unhealthy, young and old, etc.--does evil. No one has to be taught to do evil. No one has to teach a child to lie or be selfish. Yet they lie and do selfish things.

People without mental defect or disease are convicted everyday of murder--many killing their spouses to whom they promise to love and honor. Look around world. How many are hungry for war?

Since you posed the question, I would say it would be up to you to define what you think evil is. I'm still not even sure why you brought this up given the statement that launched it, which is really the only reason I'm playing along.

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

To answer you question I would first have to establish an objective standard of good and evil. Those who come from an atheistic point of view cannot do this.

Sure they can. They do it practically every day. Every profession has a code of ethics that is to be followed. It has nothing to do with God.

In fact, I could define many acts committed by Christians that are evil that many Christians would disagree are not evil.

 

[WhiteTailEER]

To answer you question I would first have to establish an objective standard of good and evil. Those who come from an atheistic point of view cannot do this. As a theist I can.

Second, I would point to the fact that by an objective standard of good an evil every human--health and unhealthy, young and old, etc.--does evil. No one has to be taught to do evil. No one has to teach a child to lie or be selfish. Yet they lie and do selfish things.

People without mental defect or disease are convicted everyday of murder--many killing their spouses to whom they promise to love and honor. Look around world. How many are hungry for war?

I also find it amusing that you use "objective standard" and then claim that only theists can do this. But then you continue on by NOT establishing the objective standard that you think only you can provide. If you think just lying and being selfish are "evil" then we are miles apart on what evil is.

 

[TarHeelEer]

I also find it amusing that you use "objective standard" and then claim that only theists can do this. But then you continue on by NOT establishing the objective standard that you think only you can provide.

There needs to be an atheist/agnostic guide to evil 101. You cannot define evil, because everyone will look at evil in their own light, and you cannot set a standard. Defining evil is subjective(Moral relativism).

If you think just lying and being selfish are "evil" then we are miles apart on what evil is.

No, those are two of your big problem children. Some think those are evil. Some do not.

 

[WhiteTailEER]

There needs to be an atheist/agnostic guide to evil 101. You cannot define evil, because everyone will look at evil in their own light, and you cannot set a standard. Defining evil is subjective(Moral relativism).



No, those are two of your big problem children. Some think those are evil. Some do not.

I understand the idea of those being sinful acts ... but I don't equate sin with evil.

Evil is like pornography, you can't define it but you know it when you see it.

 

[dave]

Sure they can. They do it practically every day. Every profession has a code of ethics that is to be followed. It has nothing to do with God.

In fact, I could define many acts committed by Christians that are evil that many Christians would disagree are not evil.

It is funny that you don't even understand what it means to be atheist.

 

[atlkvb]

In fact, I could define many acts committed by Christians that are evil that many Christians would disagree are not evil.

I'll take that one countryroads89. Name one. I'm Christian, so let's test your theory.

Name an act Christians commit that you consider to be "evil" which your average practicing Christian would not agree is evil?

The floor is yours

 

[CAJUNEER_rivals]

Sure they can. They do it practically every day. Every profession has a code of ethics that is to be followed. It has nothing to do with God.

In fact, I could define many acts committed by Christians that are evil that many Christians would disagree are not evil.

It's not objective. Like you say, every profession has their own.

 

[CAJUNEER_rivals]

Since you posed the question, I would say it would be up to you to define what you think evil is. I'm still not even sure why you brought this up given the statement that launched it, which is really the only reason I'm playing along.

Anything contrary to the will of God is evil. A knowledge of what is right is in every person as well as a bias toward doing wrong. I bring this up because at the level of the philosophical underpinnings of liberalism is a denial of innate propensity to do evil. Liberalism tends to hold a "black slate" view. Conservativism is built on a philosophical foundation affirming the existence of innate evil. This is the foundational difference between conservativism and liberalism.

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

Anything contrary to the will of God is evil. A knowledge of what is right is in every person as well as a bias toward doing wrong. I bring this up because at the level of the philosophical underpinnings of liberalism is a denial of innate propensity to do evil. Liberalism tends to hold a "black slate" view. Conservativism is built on a philosophical foundation affirming the existence of innate evil. This is the foundational difference between conservativism and liberalism.

The conservatives certainly do appear to be angrier and more hateful than liberals. Just my observation. And not to burst your bubble, but I really don't believe I have an "innate propensity to do evil". In fact, quite the contrary when I see how hateful and disrespectful the Christian community is toward gay people compared to liberals. I don't have any desire to lie, cheat, steal, murder, rape, etc.

While I'm on my soap box, I'll say this. What i saw Franklin Graham do in this last election, I consider evil. He encouraged millions to vote for a despicable human being; he called evil good. He intentionally misled millions into believing if they are a Christian, they should vote for Trump. Now he is attacking Hollywood when their message is essentially peace, hope, love, acceptance and encouragement.

 

[atlkvb]

What i saw Franklin Graham do in this last election, I consider evil. He encouraged millions to vote for a despicable human being; he called evil good

So how would you characterize Hillary Clinton's description of more than half of Trump's supporters as a "basket of deplorables" and "unredeemable"?

At least the Christian God gives it's followers a way to redeem themselves from their Sin and Evil.

Apparently Hillary thinks once you decide to vote for someone other than herself, you're hopeless.

Doomed. Just like she is.

 

[atlkvb]

Buzzfeed led the way, CNN eagerly followed a "fake news" story. Now they're upset because folks see them for what they are as "fake news" organizations?

https://www.conservativereview.com/...crcontentemail&utm_campaign=newslettertraffic

 

[WhiteTailEER]

Anything contrary to the will of God is evil. A knowledge of what is right is in every person as well as a bias toward doing wrong. I bring this up because at the level of the philosophical underpinnings of liberalism is a denial of innate propensity to do evil. Liberalism tends to hold a "black slate" view. Conservativism is built on a philosophical foundation affirming the existence of innate evil. This is the foundational difference between conservativism and liberalism.

Which God and what will? On the one hand you say "objective standard" and then use "will of God" as that standard, which by your definition would be the will of the Christian definition of God. That's hardly an objective standard.

I have no idea where you get that the philosophical underpinnings of liberalism is the denial of the innate propensity to do evil. That's just ridiculous. I don't know of a single liberal that thinks that way. However, by your definition, everybody is evil because everybody has sinned and a sin is against the will of God. My definition of evil is vastly different from that, but I recognize that it is an innate trait in many people, but in most people it isn't. You can see evidence of the innate differences in attitudes and actions in children from a very young age.

 

[CAJUNEER_rivals]

Which God and what will? On the one hand you say "objective standard" and then use "will of God" as that standard, which by your definition would be the will of the Christian definition of God. That's hardly an objective standard.

I have no idea where you get that the philosophical underpinnings of liberalism is the denial of the innate propensity to do evil. That's just ridiculous. I don't know of a single liberal that thinks that way. However, by your definition, everybody is evil because everybody has sinned and a sin is against the will of God. My definition of evil is vastly different from that, but I recognize that it is an innate trait in many people, but in most people it isn't. You can see evidence of the innate differences in attitudes and actions in children from a very young age.

I never said which God, nor did I say my interpretation of the will of God. I said the will of God. The only objective standard can be the will of God. Whether I properly understand the will of God is another matter entirely.

Where did I get my understanding of liberal underpinnings? From liberals. Pick up a 20th century philosophy book...just about any of them. But its a pretty straight line from deny of a corrupt nature to liberal socialization.

 

[dave]

Conservatives are angrier than liberals? I think some see what they want to see.