All good questions. Very surprised not declaring for the NFL yet.
Are we done at QB now?
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QB layups are meaningless. Any of 20 other guys on the roster could have scored on all but 1 of GWs rushing TDs. And he doesn’t run much at all. You’re not giving up anything replacing him with a passer. Nothing.People are comparing two QBs who were never recruited to be the same type of player.
A "Pro" is considered less mobile and more of a pocket passer with somewhat better reads and accuracy, while a dual work with feet more
Gavin has 11 TDs including bowl and Kaliak has 2
Do people want to lose 9 TDs for a few pubes up the accuracy index?
RUs whole WR corps had 7 TDs
Just having the ability to run keeps defenses more honest
Get RU an All-B1G WR like Minnesota's and that will be worth a few more pubes right there
Many people keep comparing apples-oranges QB wise, and assuming all WRs weaknesses are because of QB. A pro QB offense is really hard to run great with mediocre skill plays
Those gimmies are just to pad his stats, tossing undeserved bones his way.
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Dremel has amazingly turned into a reliable B1G receiver
No way he gets an extra year. He played 5 yrs.. His freshman year he played in 5 games. He's now looking to get a waiver and say Alabama didn't have his best interest at heart, as in one of the games he only played for two snaps. When asked did they force you to play? He said, no, it was his choice.
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Because he is the starter. Coaches whose job is to win games say he is better.
NJ.com coverage of RU overall is good and positive most of the time. I don’t recall any of the NJ.com reporters saying Simon is not remotely a P5 QB. However, they did think that Wimsatt was the better QB and option for RU. I agreed with that opinion. We will see if GW can retain his starting position with Athan K. coming in to compete.
I’ve seen this movie a thousand times , the back up is always better than the starter , he never got a chance in camp, the starter is the coaches favorite QB , its not fair, the coach didn’t pick the best QB , etc etc . It’s so laughable and ridiculous yet it happens year after year with some posters.
Need an average of one per year imo to keep depth and conpetiveness. NOT reruitinig to placate the needs of incumbents is a recipe for destruction.
Wait, why would Rutgers even think of taking a QB and making him a TE???
Bama just lost because it couldn't get 2 yards on goal
Only muggles talk about "gimmies" on goal in B1G.
Michigan can do it with a whole OL on All-B1G list but RU has a well documented history of goal line fails.
RU had to settle for FGs 2x in a row vs Ohio because twice it couldn't score 7
This is the kind of high schoolish play RU ran at Ohio St defense
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I remember Simon's 49 pass 300yd game vs Nebraska in 21.
Its the only time I saw an RU QB gun slinging.
Simon was slinging the ball all over the place.
Simon actually had good accuracy but the frantic pace led to unwise throws and INTs.
I was surprised at Greg's new approach.
Alas the OC was fired part way into the season.
Greg mentioned RU wasn't playing "complimentary football."
Greg wants a machine where nothing is out of whack.
In 2022 I saw the lowest QBRs on ESPN that I ever saw.
I mean some were under 5.0. Simon, Vedral, Wimsatt were redefining QB futility with 11 TDs and 14 INTs and 124th rank
He has hired the famed Ben Mauk, the Cincinnati QB who petitioned for a 7th year of eligibility, sued and lost.
Posters would rather believe conspiracy theories that Greg and Kirk just decided that Simon was the better QB but uh, **** it still play Gavin just because instead of realizing that Simon was just flat out beat by Gavin. Greg's and Kirk's main goal is to win, period. IF Simon was better than Gavin than he would have been QB1 plan and simple, but he wasn't. Some of y'all just can't handle the truth
Ahhh, to be so naive …
Sure, he wanted to win. But he wanted to win with a specific philosophy which called for a running QB. He wanted to win with the guy due 6 figure NIL, etc. He wanted to win with Wimsatt, passing be damned.
Here‘s the dagger to your logic : how do you reconcile his wanting to win and not returning any punts all year? Answer: philosophy.
philosophy determined the QB, not ability.
WR1 can make a bigger impact than any portal DT or TE we could land. Brantley’s status is unknown, as he still needs to be cleared by the NCAA. Looks like Miller will be WR1, which isn’t optimal, but this is where we are.
DT depth is reasonable, but we could use a depth piece. Hamilton, Konga, Rainey, and Angoy, all showed they can contribute at a high level.
Keshon Griffin played in three games and Henry Hughes hasn’t played but is an outstanding academic performer. Jasire Peterson should be able to contribute something, after redshirting this year. Hope they get an opportunity to contribute.
Because Miami is the optimal place to develop into the best football player you can be, and optimize your draft position. He’s hoping to get into the first round, and probably isn’t there, according to draft estimates. If he goes to Miami, and elevates that program, he has a better chance of getting into the first round.
Lastly, Waking up at 4 AM in Miami is a lot easier than waking up at 4 AM in Maryland.
Coaches who played us last year expressed concern about GW running ball, but they had zero concern about the pass so it really didn’t make a difference. Forget our pass plays because they were ugly — go study our runs. Our OL and Kyle played very well. Gavin had some role because he the guy handing off but defenses rarely played QB run. They almost always went after the RB and we still beat it. Gavin is also not a fluid or dynamic runner. He’s fast when he opens up but he doesn’t have much miss in his game and he rarely broke tackles. Of his 11 TDs Kyle and Sam will easily scoop up most of them.
Didn’t we already go through this? Prior to the bowl game, half of rushing TDs were from 5+ yds out.
After that game, you were hard pressed to find many other times that he ran the rpo; it was just straight keepers. Would love to see him run this more, but I just don’t think it’s part of his mindset.
Didn't GW have half the season rushing yards KM had (500 vs 1000)? If so, it seems people are being way too quick to dismiss the importance of GW's running game on our season results.
I’m not dismissing the importance of the running game by our QB. But, other than 2-3 runs all year Gavin wasn’t a dynamic runner. He doesn’t have a lot of miss in his game and he’s not a physically tough QB who willingly takes on tacklers. So, in my view, those same 500 yards and 5-6 TDs for the QB inside the 7 yard line will still be there even if it’s not Gavin at QB next year.
could another qb like simon do that; yes and we know what from hs stats
Gav wasn't special, he just did
Defender on the outside sealed the edge nicely. They had four hats against two blockers. Dremel did score on a similar play (different formation) against Mich St I believe.Bama just lost because it couldn't get 2 yards on goal
Only muggles talk about "gimmies" on goal in B1G.
Michigan can do it with a whole OL on All-B1G list but RU has a well documented history of goal line fails.
RU had to settle for FGs 2x in a row vs Ohio because twice it couldn't score 7
This is the kind of high schoolish play RU ran at Ohio St defense
Also, OSU had one of the top defenses not playing in the NFL.
Gavin is something of a disappointment running the ball...mostly just straight ahead speed and the threat of taking it to the house. But the threat of him doing so has to have a positive affect on our running game.
only if we had a passing game. He didn't have a single spy or any d set geared for him all season. This is a huge 'nothing burger' by some fans
None of our QBs, in 2023, was special, that's true. What we do know is GW was the best of what we had. Otherwise another QB would've been playing.
For 2024, AK may or may not be as good as GW; we won't actually know until we see who the staff chose to play. They may be close enough that we see them both play at times in different games, who knows.
Since all QBs improve year over year, and since we could theoretically get another QB in the portal, we can't know if any of the QBs on our roster will wind up being special or not.
But here's the thing, we don't need "special" for 2024 unless the team changes it's O approach to one that's pass heavy, which seems pretty unlikely. All we need to win is basically what GW gave us but even better and with more consistency in passing accuracy. Doesn't matter who gives us that as long as we get it.
If AK can run, then we maybe get that although the stats and the MN fan comments don't scream "special" or "better" or "more consistent" to me. Passing stats look close enough to in the margin of comparison error. Running stats favor GW. Fan comments look like a wash - neither fanbase loves either QB.
We do know that AK decided to jump ship for some reason and that GW decided to stay put and fight for his job here. FWTW.
So we wait and see. I'll leave the aggressive predictions to others and stick with thinking it's 60/40 that GW starts the first game due to his incumbency advantage until something happens to change my mind.
But we'll see, a lot can happen between now and then.
Well, were GW not to start next year his rushing ability from the 1 yard line would utterly missed. We’d certainly never score from there without him. That talent is worth the scholarship by itself.
Not only would a Simon-led offense have failed to ever score TDs from inside the 5, there would have been a pick six the other way if he played.
Oh, wait…
Not only would a Simon-led offense have failed to ever score TDs from inside the 5, there would have been a pick six the other way if he played.
Oh, wait…
There is no second option there as it is a quick short pass. The alternative would be to hold the ball and take the sack. OSU’s defenders all being less than five yards from the ball would have been a slight problem in the case of a scramble.