Are we sacrificing football NIL for baseball?

[TheBannerM]

There are some really dumb takes in this thread. State has the lowest football budget in the SEC. We spend the least on recruiting. And we've seen the results. In today's day and age of college football, money is just as important as coaching.

Y'all act like being in the SEC is some sort of birthright. I'm here to tell you, State better get its act together and start acting like it's serious about football. Otherwise, we could find ourselves on the outside looking in. AND NONE OF YOU want to even contemplate the world of hurt State will be in without the SEC (or what comes next) and it's welfare checks. Oregon St and Washington St found out what it's like being a small athletic program sharing a state with bigger money schools when the realignment hammer came down.

As a State fan, I'm genetically predisposed to enjoy college baseball, but it don't pay the bills, y'all.

 

[TheBannerM]

I’d just like to us focus on something besides baseball because I don’t think even great success there can lift up our other programs.

We've already seen proof of this.

 

[Called3rdstrikedawg]

State is NOT taking money from Football and giving it to Baseball! We DO have boosters who designate their donations to Baseball. And we probably don't have enough big boosters who donate to Football. Why don't you ask the Donor who gave $10 million to academics to re- designate half of that to Football.
One thing for sure that the NIL and Portal did to a small state like Mississippi is highlight the fact that a 1 school State like Arkansas or Missouri and to some degree Louisiana (Tulane has found some success) will likely have more success than 1 of the 2 schools in Mississippi. The commitment to Lane Kiffin set ole amiss ahead of State considerably, while State went after retreads and/or inexperience. So you guys belly aching need to find $10 million per year to pay a Head Football Coach to buy a helicopter for his wife to go shop Publix and Target in Tuscaloosa or so what Lane did to set his wife up in the town of her choice and play single in Oxford.

 

[BulldogBlitz]

More Weiner dog races. Appeals to all age groups******

If the answer was "stripper poles and dancers like the Dallas Cowboys have", i could understand....and be all in.

 

[85Bears]

State is NOT taking money from Football and giving it to Baseball! We DO have boosters who designate their donations to Baseball. And we probably don't have enough big boosters who donate to Football. Why don't you ask the Donor who gave $10 million to academics to re- designate half of that to Football.
One thing for sure that the NIL and Portal did to a small state like Mississippi is highlight the fact that a 1 school State like Arkansas or Missouri and to some degree Louisiana (Tulane has found some success) will likely have more success than 1 of the 2 schools in Mississippi. The commitment to Lane Kiffin set ole amiss ahead of State considerably, while State went after retreads and/or inexperience. So you guys belly aching need to find $10 million per year to pay a Head Football Coach to buy a helicopter for his wife to go shop Publix and Target in Tuscaloosa or so what Lane did to set his wife up in the town of her choice and play single in Oxford.

not many retreads go in the HOF, Leach will be in the HOF , he beat Ole Miss, finished the season ranked higher and had a lot less nil to work with. Keenum then enabled the Arnett disaster which essentilly burned the program to the ground without any nil money to rebuild or compete.

Let’s tell it like it is, Keenum oversaw the destruction of the football program.

 

[Pilgrimdawg]

It’s not really a haircut though.

in a lot of those situations, donors wouldn’t donate if it didn’t go to baseball. That’s just where they wanna spend their money.

Exactly. I have donated in years gone by ( pre NIL ) and had the funds earmarked for baseball.

 

[Darryl Steight]

I love that we couldn't even get 24 hours of celebration about our new coach and staff before someone had to get back to the bitchin.

 

[o_Hot Rock]

Yes. Easy and obvious yes. Our football team is the lifeblood of the athletic department. Every dollar spent there has a chance to come back ten or twenty fold. Not true with baseball.

On this we disagree.

 

[DoggieDaddy13]

We should and basketball too. Compete in what is realistic. I’m more of a football fan than anything else but we have no realistic chance to be really competitive in football. It sucks tho.

I think we can be competitive in football with the right coach and the right money - which folks in this forum keep saying we will have someday and maybe have now - Would be great to see the team compete for a playoff spot like OM seems to be able to do now.

And if we ever make a playoff spot, we will be competing for a national championship. And that's a fact.

 

[L4Dawg]

The Virginia baseball coach left UV over the universities level of monetary commitment towards baseball, specifically retaining and recruiting money. If we are promising him more and committing more money towards baseball here at State, are we thus taking even more away from football with regards to potential NIL?

If we are we are stupid as heck. I mean REALLY stupid.

 

[Bulldog45]

If you took the excess money that is spent on baseball that’s usable for NIL over what is needed to operate it, how many football wins would that buy, and how much additional $ would that bring in over what would be generated per the current state?

 

[Seinfeld]

There are some really dumb takes in this thread. State has the lowest football budget in the SEC. We spend the least on recruiting. And we've seen the results. In today's day and age of college football, money is just as important as coaching.

Y'all act like being in the SEC is some sort of birthright. I'm here to tell you, State better get its act together and start acting like it's serious about football. Otherwise, we could find ourselves on the outside looking in. AND NONE OF YOU want to even contemplate the world of hurt State will be in without the SEC (or what comes next) and it's welfare checks. Oregon St and Washington St found out what it's like being a small athletic program sharing a state with bigger money schools when the realignment hammer came down.

As a State fan, I'm genetically predisposed to enjoy college baseball, but it don't pay the bills, y'all.

I've reached the point where the prospects of this scare me less and less. If the top 40 or so schools that generate 80% of the revenue want to break off and join their own super league, then what? Well, for me, it gives me 40 teams that I no longer have to care about, and just maybe we can get back to college football being something that resembles amateur athletics.

I get it, they'll still get paid which is fine, but it won't be decked out Navigators, multi-million dollar NIL deals, and gold-trimmed bathrooms in the practice facility. Not with the revenue and TV deals that the remaining teams would generate... But you know what else might change? Ridiculous coaching contracts, $2500/seat ticket prices, and weekly letters that tell us how much we're needed so that we can make an 18-year old rich.

I'm not hoping for it, but if it happens, good riddance to this garbage era of college football and the schools that continue to push this train forward

 

[Dawg1976]

I think we can be competitive in football with the right coach and the right money - which folks in this forum keep saying we will have someday and maybe have now - Would be great to see the team compete for a playoff spot like OM seems to be able to do now.

And if we ever make a playoff spot, we will be competing for a national championship. And that's a fact.

Hope you’re right.

 

[615dawg]

There are some really dumb takes in this thread. State has the lowest football budget in the SEC. We spend the least on recruiting. And we've seen the results. In today's day and age of college football, money is just as important as coaching.

Y'all act like being in the SEC is some sort of birthright. I'm here to tell you, State better get its act together and start acting like it's serious about football. Otherwise, we could find ourselves on the outside looking in. AND NONE OF YOU want to even contemplate the world of hurt State will be in without the SEC (or what comes next) and it's welfare checks. Oregon St and Washington St found out what it's like being a small athletic program sharing a state with bigger money schools when the realignment hammer came down.

As a State fan, I'm genetically predisposed to enjoy college baseball, but it don't pay the bills, y'all.

Don't bother with the majority of this crowd. Because we were in the right place receiving a telegram in 1895 inviting us to the SIAA makes people think we are invincible. If Virginia and North Carolina stay in the SIAA, its likely we would have never been in the SEC.

Whether we have a choice or not is debatable, but sometime in the next decade, Mississippi State football will be solidified as a doormat or not be playing at the highest level of college football. The wheels are already in motion, and our friends in Oxford are on the right train.

 

[85Bears]

We are

Don't bother with the majority of this crowd. Because we were in the right place receiving a telegram in 1895 inviting us to the SIAA makes people think we are invincible. If Virginia and North Carolina stay in the SIAA, its likely we would have never been in the SEC.

Whether we have a choice or not is debatable, but sometime in the next decade, Mississippi State football will be solidified as a doormat or not be playing at the highest level of college football. The wheels are already in motion, and our friends in Oxford are on the right train.

1-15 in the sec over the past two years and would be 0-16 if KJ Jefferson wasn’t severely hung over in 2023. I think ditch digger status has been achieved.

 

[retire the banner]

It's the difference between 2-10 and 4-8. Honestly I'd rather just continue to be embarrassing in football but have a dominant baseball program. Yes, I know it's not the money maker, but if I'm given the choice I'd like at least something we can hang our hats on.

It’s pretty depressing this where some are. Being a loser begins with having a loser mentality

 

[POTUS]

I've reached the point where the prospects of this scare me less and less. If the top 40 or so schools that generate 80% of the revenue want to break off and join their own super league, then what? Well, for me, it gives me 40 teams that I no longer have to care about, and just maybe we can get back to college football being something that resembles amateur athletics.

I get it, they'll still get paid which is fine, but it won't be decked out Navigators, multi-million dollar NIL deals, and gold-trimmed bathrooms in the practice facility. Not with the revenue and TV deals that the remaining teams would generate... But you know what else might change? Ridiculous coaching contracts, $2500/seat ticket prices, and weekly letters that tell us how much we're needed so that we can make an 18-year old rich.

I'm not hoping for it, but if it happens, good riddance to this garbage era of college football and the schools that continue to push this train forward

Those teams’ baseball teams will steamroll ours and then this part of the fanbase will come to a rude awakening. Without our football program being in the top tier, all our other sports will dwindle.

 

[Chesusdog]

It’s pretty depressing this where some are. Being a loser begins with having a loser mentality

 

[bolddogge]

I've reached the point where the prospects of this scare me less and less. If the top 40 or so schools that generate 80% of the revenue want to break off and join their own super league, then what? Well, for me, it gives me 40 teams that I no longer have to care about, and just maybe we can get back to college football being something that resembles amateur athletics.

I get it, they'll still get paid which is fine, but it won't be decked out Navigators, multi-million dollar NIL deals, and gold-trimmed bathrooms in the practice facility. Not with the revenue and TV deals that the remaining teams would generate... But you know what else might change? Ridiculous coaching contracts, $2500/seat ticket prices, and weekly letters that tell us how much we're needed so that we can make an 18-year old rich.

I'm not hoping for it, but if it happens, good riddance to this garbage era of college football and the schools that continue to push this train forward

WHERE'S THE TYLENOL?!?!

 

[dawgpoundrock]

I’ll bite. Why?

Because we'll never be relevant in football again and I like baseball better

 

[bolddogge]

I’ll bite. Why?

Probably just to irritate you.

 

[BoDawg.sixpack]

Is our NIL budget that far removed from Ole Miss? I'd hate to think the best we can achieve is four wins after they've achieved 10.

 

[L4Dawg]

Because we'll never be relevant in football again and I like baseball better

When the going gets tough, MSU fans quit.

 

[bulldoghair]

If you took the excess money that is spent on baseball that’s usable for NIL over what is needed to operate it, how many football wins would that buy, and how much additional $ would that bring in over what would be generated per the current state?

I’d like to go to a bowl game and beat Ole Miss most of the time. I’m sure both of those achievements would bring in more money in return in multiple aspects over anything baseball achieves.

 

[Bulldog45]

I’d like to go to a bowl game and beat Ole Miss most of the time. I’m sure both of those achievements would bring in more money in return in multiple aspects over anything baseball achieves.

I understand what you want. I want the same things. Question is would what is deemed as “excess” spending on baseball produce enough to accomplish those things.

 

[HRMSU]

More Weiner dog races. Appeals to all age groups******

7th inning Weiner dog races gambling with all proceeds to football NIL*****

 

[HRMSU]

Unless there are big donors who earmark money specifically for baseball, then every NIL dollar spent on baseball is a dollar that could have been spent on football (or somewhere else).

That dollar goes a lot further in baseball than it does in football. I don’t know what we’ve committed to baseball, but the decision makers apparently believe it’s enough to make us a major player on the national stage. Whatever number that is is likely a drop in the bucket compared to what it would take to be a major player in football.

I suppose you could also raise those dollars by tripling the price of tickets and premium areas at DNF. Charging people to bring in coolers. Selling corporate naming rights to DNF. None of those would impact football dollars. They also would be tremendously unpopular, but folks will overlook it if you’re winning.

We could also do night concerts with our new LEDs.

 

[HRMSU]

If the answer was "stripper poles and dancers like the Dallas Cowboys have", i could understand....and be all in.

So freaking insane! Jeruh in a nutshell!

 

[Trojanbulldog19]

The correlation between football success and university success is established fact. Having excitement around the football team raises all boats including baseball. Football weekends can be massive revenue generators in a way that even our good baseball weekends just can’t. If that 5 mil took us from 4-8 to 6-6 or from 5-7 to 7-5, I mean to me that’s a no brainer. I’d just like to us focus on something besides baseball because I don’t think even great success there can lift up our other programs.

We ar we spending more money on football than we ever have. What was our record last year?

 

[Trojanbulldog19]

not many retreads go in the HOF, Leach will be in the HOF , he beat Ole Miss, finished the season ranked higher and had a lot less nil to work with. Keenum then enabled the Arnett disaster which essentilly burned the program to the ground without any nil money to rebuild or compete.

Let’s tell it like it is, Keenum oversaw the destruction of the football program.

This is correct. Win more with less. We just haven't had the right leadership or coaches to get it done. We spend more now on football than we did with Mullen and leach and Jackie. They just knew how to win.

 

[bulldoghair]

We ar we spending more money on football than we ever have. What was our record last year?

So is everyone else. Mute point.

 

[Trojanbulldog19]

I've reached the point where the prospects of this scare me less and less. If the top 40 or so schools that generate 80% of the revenue want to break off and join their own super league, then what? Well, for me, it gives me 40 teams that I no longer have to care about, and just maybe we can get back to college football being something that resembles amateur athletics.

I get it, they'll still get paid which is fine, but it won't be decked out Navigators, multi-million dollar NIL deals, and gold-trimmed bathrooms in the practice facility. Not with the revenue and TV deals that the remaining teams would generate... But you know what else might change? Ridiculous coaching contracts, $2500/seat ticket prices, and weekly letters that tell us how much we're needed so that we can make an 18-year old rich.

I'm not hoping for it, but if it happens, good riddance to this garbage era of college football and the schools that continue to push this train forward

Yes reset the market. Get back to football. We ain't winning the sec in football the way it is anyway. Unless someone hers wins a billion dollar lottery and gives it to msu. Even then that prob won't make a dent

what was toledos budget? They waxed us on the field and made us look terrible. Get some coaches that know how to coach recruit develop and you dont have the problem we have right now.

 

[Trojanbulldog19]

Those teams’ baseball teams will steamroll ours and then this part of the fanbase will come to a rude awakening. Without our football program being in the top tier, all our other sports will dwindle.

Thats ********. Our program was top tier in the 80s guess what football sucked in the 80s too. Programs do fine at baseball without football. Sorry that you don't get how important baseball is at msu and it's something we are actually good at most of the time.

 

[ClangaCrusader1]

Man I really think it’s as simple as we hired bozo after leach died and then hired a guy who was 4-5 years from being ready for a sec job …..

 

[85Bears]

Man I really think it’s as simple as we hired bozo after leach died and then hired a guy who was 4-5 years from being ready for a sec job …..

100%. Bozo had some help from some really stupid boosters who were butt hurt leach cut off their access to the program. They got even alright.

 

[Bulldawg77]

So much wrong with this thread. Most don’t even give a dime yet expect to be experts. Most over estimated our talent in 24 and under value our talent this year. Our NIL in 25 is light years ahead of where it was in Nov 23 We are not sacrificing one for the other Stop thinking we are we are po ol state

 

[Maroon Eagle]

So much wrong with this thread. Most don’t even give a dime yet expect to be experts. Most over estimated our talent in 24

Yep. I predicted a 5-7 season and I was slightly optimistic because I thought we’d be better offensively.

and under value our talent this year. Our NIL in 25 is light years ahead of where it was in Nov 23 We are not sacrificing one for the other Stop thinking we are we are po ol state

Nah. We ain’t poor.

However, we are a Smith in a Conference full of Joneses which means we’ve got to make Smart Decisions.

But as we all know, Smart Decisions are a Big Ask in Brain Drain Afflicted Mississippi.

 

[Bulldawg77]

Yep. I predicted a 5-7 season and I was slightly optimistic because I thought we’d be better offensively.


Nah. We ain’t poor.

However, we are a Smith in a Conference full of Joneses which means we’ve got to make Smart Decisions.

But as we all know, Smart Decisions are a Big Ask in Brain Drain Afflicted Mississippi.

The thing is we stepped up this portal class we added a lot of talent. We closed the gap but most on here just lean towards negative and don’t understand the lay of the land or research what we have added
We are much better in NIL than Those joneses you think of

 

[Mr. Cook]

The thing is we stepped up this portal class we added a lot of talent. We closed the gap but most on here just lean towards negative and don’t understand the lay of the land or research what we have added
We are much better in NIL than Those joneses you think of

 

[Podgy]

Is our NIL budget that far removed from Ole Miss? I'd hate to think the best we can achieve is four wins after they've achieved 10.

Ole Miss spent big, has a better coach who gets paid twice as much as ours, had the second best QB in the nation and even had talent on defense and still didn't make the CF Playoff. Maybe we'll be good one day but it'll likely cost a lot more money. Baseball gives me lots more opportunities to enjoy wins.