Are we sacrificing football NIL for baseball?

[Trojanbulldog19]

Ole Miss spent big, has a better coach who gets paid twice as much as ours, had the second best QB in the nation and even had talent on defense and still didn't make the CF Playoff. Maybe we'll be good one day but it'll likely cost a lot more money. Baseball gives me lots more opportunities to enjoy wins.

Yeah and many of our fans back when he was available turned their noses up to him. Lot of our fans get a hard on for the up and coming offensive coordinator just because we got lucky with Mullen. Instead of proven head coach that has to move around some. It is what it is. We played amateur hour in football at the worst possible time after leach died and the coming of nil and no rules portal world. If we would have gotten cignetti when he was available we would have been a lot better off. Go find a coach that can get more out of their players rather than a guy that needs 4 and 5 stars to even win 6 games.

 

[Called3rdstrikedawg]

not many retreads go in the HOF, Leach will be in the HOF , he beat Ole Miss, finished the season ranked higher and had a lot less nil to work with. Keenum then enabled the Arnett disaster which essentilly burned the program to the ground without any nil money to rebuild or compete.

Let’s tell it like it is, Keenum oversaw the destruction of the football program.

Okay. Keenum destroyed football by hiring Arnett. Who started the train rolling downhill after Mullen left? Because you can say Leach was not a retread, but he WAS definitely setting up shop in his retirement gig. Like Emory. Like Jackie. Like Rockey. Oh and where has Croom been a head coach since he left State? It's the same old song and dance and wiener dog and pony show when it comes to football head coaches! Either their last stop or they are under prepared or just plain unqualified! Pick your choice. Mullen started looking for a way out before Dak left! It takes $10 mil and a huge money commitment now to compete in football. And we have fans who choose to donate to baseball and academics. It's their choice. Don't be a politician trying tell them how to sond their money. Enjoy you night.

 

[85Bears]

Okay. Keenum destroyed football by hiring Arnett. Who started the train rolling downhill after Mullen left? Because you can say Leach was not a retread, but he WAS definitely setting up shop in his retirement gig. Like Emory. Like Jackie. Like Rockey. Oh and where has Croom been a head coach since he left State? It's the same old song and dance and wiener dog and pony show when it comes to football head coaches! Either their last stop or they are under prepared or just plain unqualified! Pick your choice. Mullen started looking for a way out before Dak left! It takes $10 mil and a huge money commitment now to compete in football. And we have fans who choose to donate to baseball and academics. It's their choice. Don't be a politician trying tell them how to sond their money. Enjoy you night.

Mumbo jumbo, Leach went 9-4 , won the egg bowl, finished ranked in the top 20, won the New Year’s Day bowl ……fourth best season in school history. Nearly that whole team returned as seniors with 8 home games…….

Keenum names naked drive through man permanent head coach, fires Leachs whole staff, lets boosters hire buddies, scraps the offense the players have played in for four years and installs the wing t offense. Disastrous season.

Now you are looking at 2-10 with no nil money to rebuild and a HC who has never been a HC before.

Keenum enabled this, there is nothing to be said about Leach other than he did a good job.

 

[Bulldawg77]

Instead of posting some gif let’s debate this? You and others that don’t give a dime don’t keep up with what we have added. You guys just want to lean negative without doing any research. I’m open to debate

 

[Bulldawg77]

Mumbo jumbo, Leach went 9-4 , won the egg bowl, finished ranked in the top 20, won the New Year’s Day bowl ……fourth best season in school history. Nearly that whole team returned as seniors with 8 home games…….

Keenum names naked drive through man permanent head coach, fires Leachs whole staff, lets boosters hire buddies, scraps the offense the players have played in for four years and installs the wing t offense. Disastrous season.

Now you are looking at 2-10 with no nil money to rebuild and a HC who has never been a HC before.

Keenum enabled this, there is nothing to be said about Leach other than he did a good job.

Oh boy this is going to be fun.
first get your facts correct leach won 8. We some how lucked into beating Illinois with ZA as HC… Not leach. And for Gods sake the man died stop acting like we ran him off…
2nd. Keenum wasn’t really keen on promoting ZA but ZA politiced for the job he made promises to players and coaches then went 180degrees away from it. Without an AD we didn’t really have leverage plus tampering was going with the roster. You can make belive all you want too but MK was smart enough to negotiate an MSU friendly contract that didn’t cost us very much. When we finally got a competent AD we fired meathead.
Leach had told many others 23 was going to be his last year. Recruiting had taken a huge dip. He was spending more time in key west and turned recruiting over to Dudek after Emerick left. He hated NIL and didn’t particularly like the portal either. So ineffectively leach was pretty checked out. So regardless of who we hired in 24 it was going to be a long year. 85% of the players that have transferred out were recruited by Leach or ZA. 90% went G5 or FCS and most of those can’t get on the field there.
When we hired Lebby our NIL war chest was not great mainly due to fans like you and many others who refuse to give even now. We raised some funds for the 24 class. We did ok with HS class that year but hard to evaluate with three weeks on the job and hiring while trying to recruit with little funds
24 was bad but injuries lack of talent was a bad combination.
This past class we were in a much better place with NIL and continuing to get better, no thanks to you and others... We are in a place to be very very competitive with our peers. We closed the gap on some schools with what we added in the portal. I’m sure most on here don’t realize what all we have added.
Again most on here just look through a negative lens instead of understanding the facts.

 

[85Bears]

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[85Bears]

Oh boy this is going to be fun.
first get your facts correct leach won 8. We some how lucked into beating Illinois with ZA as HC… Not leach. And for Gods sake the man died stop acting like we ran him off…
2nd. Keenum wasn’t really keen on promoting ZA but ZA politiced for the job he made promises to players and coaches then went 180degrees away from it. Without an AD we didn’t really have leverage plus tampering was going with the roster. You can make belive all you want too but MK was smart enough to negotiate an MSU friendly contract that didn’t cost us very much. When we finally got a competent AD we fired meathead.
Leach had told many others 23 was going to be his last year. Recruiting had taken a huge dip. He was spending more time in key west and turned recruiting over to Dudek after Emerick left. He hated NIL and didn’t particularly like the portal either. So ineffectively leach was pretty checked out. So regardless of who we hired in 24 it was going to be a long year. 85% of the players that have transferred out were recruited by Leach or ZA. 90% went G5 or FCS and most of those can’t get on the field there.
When we hired Lebby our NIL war chest was not great mainly due to fans like you and many others who refuse to give even now. We raised some funds for the 24 class. We did ok with HS class that year but hard to evaluate with three weeks on the job and hiring while trying to recruit with little funds
24 was bad but injuries lack of talent was a bad combination.
This past class we were in a much better place with NIL and continuing to get better, no thanks to you and others... We are in a place to be very very competitive with our peers. We closed the gap on some schools with what we added in the portal. I’m sure most on here don’t realize what all we have added.
Again most on here just look through a negative lens instead of understanding the facts.

This is comical, just a long run on sentence of made up lies. Very low IQ fiction.

you are really bad at this.

 

[Bulldawg77]

This is comical, just a long run on sentence of made up lies. Very low IQ fiction.

you are really bad at this.

You can make fun of the post that’s fine. You have zero sources, you don’t give , and you make up fiction about what rally happened and is occurring. You are negative and ignorant to the situation

 

[POTUS]

If post or opinions originated only from those who had sources or gave lots of money, there'd be almost zero traffic here. So can we pump the brakes on the "you don't give or have sources" arguments? It adds nothing. I'd guess most folks come here with the assumption that almost all the posters on here are fans of MSU sports. Their giving or insider knowledge doesn't really move the needle or validate their opinion.

 

[Maroon Eagle]

You can make fun of the post that’s fine. You have zero sources, you don’t give , and you make up fiction about what rally happened and is occurring. You are negative and ignorant to the situation

Here’s the issue: You aren’t demonstrating the basic intelligence and logical reasoning skills to make arguments.

A lot of people don’t think your talking points are correct or worthy of debate.

They don’t pass the Smell Test.

For example, you saying State has a better NIL program than more than half of its fellow conference schools

(your comment 78 in this thread: We are much better in NIL than Those joneses you think)

Given that we know the Joneses of the SEC have larger numbers of alumni and fan bases, you come across as an Ignorant Shill.

(Oh yeah, Ole Miss isn’t a Jones. They’re a Smith who decided to take advantage of their positives when they had an opportunity.)

 

[Mr. Cook]

Instead of posting some gif let’s debate this? You and others that don’t give a dime don’t keep up with what we have added. You guys just want to lean negative without doing any research. I’m open to debate

Since you require Mansplaining, the GIF is a reference to your incoherent thoughts, poor grammar, and sausage-fingered typing skills

 

[POTUS]

sausage-fingered typing skills

Whoa, whoa, whoa. About half the board catching a stray here.

 

[Mr. Cook]

Whoa, whoa, whoa. About half the board catching a stray here.

Stylus for the rest of us?********

 

[o_ThreeDawgNight]

I sure hope so. We're never going to compete for championships in football. We can make a run in basketball occasionally. Baseball is where we should be investing. We're a baseball school. Embrace it.

 

[85Bears]

I sure hope so. We're never going to compete for championships in football. We can make a run in basketball occasionally. Baseball is where we should be investing. We're a baseball school. Embrace it.

Agree, build a powerhouse in baseball and a basketball program that is always top 20 with occasional final four/elite eight runs. Its a much better approach than sucking in all three sports

 

[ETK99]

I sure hope so. We're never going to compete for championships in football. We can make a run in basketball occasionally. Baseball is where we should be investing. We're a baseball school. Embrace it.

And say goodbye to P4? I'll pass. You invest in football or you're a CUSA school.

 

[Susanp62]

I suspect we have a lot of donations earmarked for baseball only plus allocating a higher % than most from general funds to the sport. Which program(s) takes the haircut? I don't know.

My NIL is dedicated to baseball simply because they have been screwed on number of scholarships for years. Plus, I think it’s easier to fund basketball/baseball rosters than football.

 

[The Cooterpoot]

My NIL is dedicated to baseball simply because they have been screwed on number of scholarships for years. Plus, I think it’s easier to fund basketball/baseball rosters than football.

MS brain power at its best here. Football funds EVERY sport and that's why football struggles here. We don't have the revenue or secondary funding of other SEC schools to make up for that.

 

[paindonthurt]

This is where I am. There’s a what? 1%-3% variance in the amount of money the school gets regardless of whether football wins 9 games or 3? The school loses out on the lion’s share of 1 missed bowl game, lower ticket sales, and maybe some withheld stubborn booster contributions until we fire the coach. Is there a real ROI to spending that much on football at this point in the NIL era?

A lot of folks here were clowning Texas Tech for paying Cannady $1 million to play softball there, but they’re 3 wins away from winning the National Championship. I dunno… I think I’d rather pay $1 million to win a national championship in softball than pay $5 million to go 4-8 or 5-7 in football.

Texas Tech spent about $2.5 million on softball NIL.

 

[paindonthurt]

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Then how is Ole Miss getting the recruits they get?

 

[paindonthurt]

Yeah and many of our fans back when he was available turned their noses up to him. Lot of our fans get a hard on for the up and coming offensive coordinator just because we got lucky with Mullen. Instead of proven head coach that has to move around some. It is what it is. We played amateur hour in football at the worst possible time after leach died and the coming of nil and no rules portal world. If we would have gotten cignetti when he was available we would have been a lot better off. Go find a coach that can get more out of their players rather than a guy that needs 4 and 5 stars to even win 6 games.

If you are talking about Kiffen, he wasn't a guaranteed winner when ole miss hired him. He had proven he could lease in really good situations.

 

[Darryl Steight]

Then how is Ole Miss getting the recruits they get?

I'm not sure what you mean here. They recruit about the same level as we do in recent history. We seem to alternate annually which class is better during Lemonis' time, which is of course not our best period in history and it's been about equal post-championships.

Bianco is a good recruiter, has been for at least for the past 15 years. They may only have the second best baseball atmosphere in Mississippi, but their crowd numbers are still top 5 or 10 in the country. They will offer players good NIL packages just like everyone else. I'm not sure if I'm answering the question you are asking, but that's my explanation of "how" they get good recruits...

 

[paindonthurt]

I'm not sure what you mean here. They recruit about the same level as we do in recent history. We seem to alternate annually which class is better during Lemonis' time, which is of course not our best period in history and it's been about equal post-championships.

Bianco is a good recruiter, has been for at least for the past 15 years. They may only have the second best baseball atmosphere in Mississippi, but their crowd numbers are still top 5 or 10 in the country. They will offer players good NIL packages just like everyone else. I'm not sure if I'm answering the question you are asking, but that's my explanation of "how" they get good recruits...

I'm talking about football. They are getting better football recruits than us b/c of NIL (at least partially).

 

[paindonthurt]

This is comical, just a long run on sentence of made up lies. Very low IQ fiction.

you are really bad at this.

first get your facts correct leach won 8. We some how lucked into beating Illinois with ZA as HC… Not leach. And for Gods sake the man died stop acting like we ran him off…
This is a fact not a lie.

2nd. Keenum wasn’t really keen on promoting ZA but ZA politiced for the job he made promises to players and coaches then went 180degrees away from it. Without an AD we didn’t really have leverage plus tampering was going with the roster. You can make belive all you want too but MK was smart enough to negotiate an MSU friendly contract that didn’t cost us very much. When we finally got a competent AD we fired meathead.
I can't say all of this is factual but it is a fact Keenum was stuck in a very bad spot.

When we hired Lebby our NIL war chest was not great
This is definitely a fact

24 was bad but injuries lack of talent was a bad combination.
This is definitely a fact

 

[Darryl Steight]

I'm talking about football. They are getting better football recruits than us b/c of NIL (at least partially).

Oh gotcha. Well, yes, the money they are willing to spend on recruits does now and always has helped them. It's a fact of life that the doctor and lawyer crowd with a lot of disposable income is more willing to part with it to buy football players than engineers, architects, insurance agents, furniture manufacturers, farmers, and veterinarians. I'm generalizing, but I believe we do pretty well considering the chasm between the fanbase psychology.

The same people are also more likely to go into debt to go on lavish vacations, lease their beemers, and have more house than they need. I'm not downing that lifestyle - I've been guilty of some of that myself. It's fun. Do it if you can afford it. All I'm saying is, yes, being willing to part with cash for entertainment does help in football recruiting. We've essentially legalized money they've been spending under the table on recruits for decades. We have done it too, but they have always done it on a grander scale and still do. The young kids love all that shitt.

Also, they have had Lane Kiffin while we've had Leach, Arnett, and Lebby. Leach refused to recruit and act like that. Arnett - just no. Lebby has potential, but he's still learning how to be a head coach.

 

[The Cooterpoot]

Then how is Ole Miss getting the recruits they get?

1. They have a proven coach
2. They've put kids in the league recently
3. They're winning games
4. NIL, but our NIL is pretty similar outside of the Cohen era

 

[GhostOfJackie]

The correlation between football success and university success is established fact. Having excitement around the football team raises all boats including baseball. Football weekends can be massive revenue generators in a way that even our good baseball weekends just can’t. If that 5 mil took us from 4-8 to 6-6 or from 5-7 to 7-5, I mean to me that’s a no brainer. I’d just like to us focus on something besides baseball because I don’t think even great success there can lift up our other programs.

We are focusing on football as well. The investment made to be on top of the baseball world is nowhere near the investment needed to be on to of the football world. We are never going to be able to do that in football anyway.

You need to look at this as one big pot of money instead of dividing it out with the non football sports. The University is investing in what it's alumni and boosters care about regardless of the sport. Trust me, we are investing in Football too. The Howards just put like 8-10 million into an indoor facility and we are catching up to who we need to catch up with to stay competitive in football.

 

[85Bears]

first get your facts correct leach won 8. We some how lucked into beating Illinois with ZA as HC… Not leach. And for Gods sake the man died stop acting like we ran him off…
This is a fact not a lie.

2nd. Keenum wasn’t really keen on promoting ZA but ZA politiced for the job he made promises to players and coaches then went 180degrees away from it. Without an AD we didn’t really have leverage plus tampering was going with the roster. You can make belive all you want too but MK was smart enough to negotiate an MSU friendly contract that didn’t cost us very much. When we finally got a competent AD we fired meathead.
I can't say all of this is factual but it is a fact Keenum was stuck in a very bad spot.

When we hired Lebby our NIL war chest was not great
This is definitely a fact

24 was bad but injuries lack of talent was a bad combination.
This is definitely a fact

first get your facts correct leach won 8. We some how lucked into beating Illinois with ZA as HC… Not leach. And for Gods sake the man died stop acting like we ran him off…
This is a fact not a lie.

2nd. Keenum wasn’t really keen on promoting ZA but ZA politiced for the job he made promises to players and coaches then went 180degrees away from it. Without an AD we didn’t really have leverage plus tampering was going with the roster. You can make belive all you want too but MK was smart enough to negotiate an MSU friendly contract that didn’t cost us very much. When we finally got a competent AD we fired meathead.
I can't say all of this is factual but it is a fact Keenum was stuck in a very bad spot.

When we hired Lebby our NIL war chest was not great
This is definitely a fact

24 was bad but injuries lack of talent was a bad combination.
This is definitely a fact

No you can’t say it’s factual. To say Leach wouldn’t have won the bowl game is so stupid it isn’t worth responding to. Keenum screwed up horribly, thats not debatable.

 

[The Peeper]

Football funds EVERY sport and that's why football struggles here. We don't have the revenue or secondary funding of other SEC schools to make up for that.

The SEC yearly revenue sharing check funds EVERY sport, not MSU football. Hell if we had to depend just on MSU football revenue the past few years to fund "EVERY" sport, we wouldn't have those sports and maybe not football. Note the deeply discounted football tickets we are being offered because nobody bought them first go round. That conference revenue check is shared pretty equally among all teams, no matter how good or bad their teams were that season. No SEC team gets hardly any more than the other teams in their shared revenue check, its been that way forever. That conference revenue check comes from contracts that include tv games from EVERY sport. That check comes from licensing products. That check comes from ad revenues that includes print ads, radio ads, tv ads the SEC sells. That revenue comes from radio broadcasting right revenues. That check comes from revenues from the NCAA basketball tournament ticket sales and its tv contracts every year. That check comes from the SEC Network that sells our conference games for big bucks to cable companies that carry most games for most sports. Anybody will tell you the reason cable is so expensive is because of sports channels. Granted the largest percentage comes from football revenues, but how much of the revenue is used up by the football teams at those schools too?

So other schools that have more funds get those funds from individual and corporate donors that give to the sport of their choice or don't classify their gift. Nobody at MSU can control in any way what amount of funds other schools fans donate or which sports other schools support with their NIL organizations. At some point, like it or not, YOU are going to have to realize that some people care about baseball, soccer, softball, and basketball here and YOU CAN NOT CHANGE that no matter how much YOU want to or how many times YOU post about it. YOU can't dictate where OUR money goes. It's NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS where people donate their discretionary funds and YOU aren't going to change that. Knock yourself out if you want to get out and drum up more funds just for football but YOU can't control where everybody else's donations go any more than you can at other schools no matter how hard you try.

 

[85Bears]

The welfare check is coming if the sec record is 0-8, 1-7 or 2-6.

 

[The Cooterpoot]

The SEC yearly revenue sharing check funds EVERY sport, not MSU football. Hell if we had to depend just on MSU football revenue the past few years to fund "EVERY" sport, we wouldn't have those sports and maybe not football. Note the deeply discounted football tickets we are being offered because nobody bought them first go round. That conference revenue check is shared pretty equally among all teams, no matter how good or bad their teams were that season. No SEC team gets hardly any more than the other teams in their shared revenue check, its been that way forever. That conference revenue check comes from contracts that include tv games from EVERY sport. That check comes from licensing products. That check comes from ad revenues that includes print ads, radio ads, tv ads the SEC sells. That revenue comes from radio broadcasting right revenues. That check comes from revenues from the NCAA basketball tournament ticket sales and its tv contracts every year. That check comes from the SEC Network that sells our conference games for big bucks to cable companies that carry most games for most sports. Anybody will tell you the reason cable is so expensive is because of sports channels. Granted the largest percentage comes from football revenues, but how much of the revenue is used up by the football teams at those schools too?

So other schools that have more funds get those funds from individual and corporate donors that give to the sport of their choice or don't classify their gift. Nobody at MSU can control in any way what amount of funds other schools fans donate or which sports other schools support with their NIL organizations. At some point, like it or not, YOU are going to have to realize that some people care about baseball, soccer, softball, and basketball here and YOU CAN NOT CHANGE that no matter how much YOU want to or how many times YOU post about it. YOU can't dictate where OUR money goes. It's NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS where people donate their discretionary funds and YOU aren't going to change that. Knock yourself out if you want to get out and drum up more funds just for football but YOU can't control where everybody else's donations go any more than you can at other schools no matter how hard you try.

That check is primarily from football tv contracts, so yes, football is funding the large majority of it. The SEC football contract is $300 million a year. Then throw in the other football revenue sharing in the SEC.
No fooball = No check
Our own revenue is terrible across all sports, that's where the big problem is.

 

[paindonthurt]

Oh gotcha. Well, yes, the money they are willing to spend on recruits does now and always has helped them. It's a fact of life that the doctor and lawyer crowd with a lot of disposable income is more willing to part with it to buy football players than engineers, architects, insurance agents, furniture manufacturers, farmers, and veterinarians. I'm generalizing, but I believe we do pretty well considering the chasm between the fanbase psychology.

The same people are also more likely to go into debt to go on lavish vacations, lease their beemers, and have more house than they need. I'm not downing that lifestyle - I've been guilty of some of that myself. It's fun. Do it if you can afford it. All I'm saying is, yes, being willing to part with cash for entertainment does help in football recruiting. We've essentially legalized money they've been spending under the table on recruits for decades. We have done it too, but they have always done it on a grander scale and still do. The young kids love all that shitt.

Also, they have had Lane Kiffin while we've had Leach, Arnett, and Lebby. Leach refused to recruit and act like that. Arnett - just no. Lebby has potential, but he's still learning how to be a head coach.

I'm not saying people should or shouldn't give to NIL. I'm saying giving money to NIL isn't throwing it away simply b/c Alabama, Georgia, LSU, etc will give more which is what the post I replied to implied.

$5 million will help us win more football games if used correctly.

 

[paindonthurt]

1. They have a proven coach
2. They've put kids in the league recently
3. They're winning games
4. NIL, but our NIL is pretty similar outside of the Cohen era

This is my point. The posts i replied to basically said giving to our football NIL was stupid. Its not.

 

[paindonthurt]

No you can’t say it’s factual. To say Leach wouldn’t have won the bowl game is so stupid it isn’t worth responding to. Keenum screwed up horribly, thats not debatable.

No one said Leach wouldn't have won the bowl game. No one even implied that. Can you read?

Yes in hindsight we shouldn't have hired Arnett. That doesnt change the fact that Keenum was in a tough spot after Leach died. That is an indisputable fact.

I noticed you ignored the other "lies" as you called them.

SIMPLY PUT, YOU WERE WRONG. Its ok. Admit it.

 

[85Bears]

No one said Leach wouldn't have won the bowl game. No one even implied that. Can you read?

Yes in hindsight we shouldn't have hired Arnett. That doesnt change the fact that Keenum was in a tough spot after Leach died. That is an indisputable fact.

I noticed you ignored the other "lies" as you called them.

SIMPLY PUT, YOU WERE WRONG. Its ok. Admit it.

lol, the only people who are so stupid and petty to deny Leach a 9-4 season are you, bulldawg77 and obese34. blah blah blah. Poor Keenum

 

[GloryDawg]

Lebby is here at least two more season and should give him all we can to win. Lebby, I think can be a good HC, but he started losing the fans when he hires a DC that was not qualified, paid him a lot of money he was not worth and finish losing a lot of the fans when he did not make any adjustments to the defensive coaching after a two win season and having one of the worse defense in the country. Football drives all sports. If he can't do it, I hope Selmon has gained enough experience and learn from that hire and just go all in on a coach. Get the right coach that can recruit and have good X's and O's State can compete.

 

[paindonthurt]

lol, the only people who are so stupid and petty to deny Leach a 9-4 season are you, bulldawg77 and obese34. blah blah blah. Poor Keenum

You are an absolute moron. I’m not denying leach anything. I loved leach.

im simply pointing out the stupidity in your post that you made that you said was all lies. It wasn’t.

the sad part is you aren’t smart enough to realize it.

 

[Darryl Steight]

I'm not saying people should or shouldn't give to NIL. I'm saying giving money to NIL isn't throwing it away simply b/c Alabama, Georgia, LSU, etc will give more which is what the post I replied to implied.

$5 million will help us win more football games if used correctly.

I don't think the sides of this discussion are very far apart, other than the few fringe lunatics who would rather drop baseball altogether and somehow think that would magically make us compete with Georgia in football. It wouldn't.

My comment about the $5M example that's been used is - that is a huge amount that can make a difference in baseball (see the Oak hire). It's not as huge a number in football. It would probably make a difference, but not as much, percentage-wise. And it's not like baseball loses $5M per year anyway. It breaks even or loses a little some years... that's even a smaller impact to football.

My main point is, a lot of this discussion is a waste of time. We have to do both. We can (and are) competing nationally in baseball and basketball, and we need more money in football. It's not a zero sum game. We have to do all of the above, not either/or. There are boosters who love baseball and want their money to go there. Same for basketball. Those sports are not going anywhere and even if we, let's say, killed the baseball program - which is never going to happen - you aren't going to turn baseball fans into major football donors... You're just going to run them off as fans because you just severed their favorite program and connection to the school.

I think we have some people who don't understand or believe that, but it's true.

 

[85Bears]

You are an absolute moron. I’m not denying leach anything. I loved leach.

im simply pointing out the stupidity in your post that you made that you said was all lies. It wasn’t.

the sad part is you aren’t smart enough to realize it.

Ok shill

 

[paindonthurt]

Lebby is here at least two more season and should give him all we can to win. Lebby, I think can be a good HC, but he started losing the fans when he hires a DC that was not qualified, paid him a lot of money he was not worth and finish losing a lot of the fans when he did not make any adjustments to the defensive coaching after a two win season and having one of the worse defense in the country. Football drives all sports. If he can't do it, I hope Selmon has gained enough experience and learn from that hire and just go all in on a coach. Get the right coach that can recruit and have good X's and O's State can compete.

We have no idea how good or bad Hutzler is. Our defensive talent was the worst I’ve ever seen it last year and that isn’t on Lebby or Hutzler.

You can judge him fairly this year.