Awful Baseball Stat

Steakonastick

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At lf,c, 1b, and 3rd base we have averaged to hit .269
(Rea, Henderson, Slaughter, Norris)
totals for all 4 combined
10 doubles
1 triple
2 homeruns
33 rbis
214 at bats for this group



Renfroe 425
7 doubles
2 triples
9 homeruns
35 rbi's
80 at bats for him.

Pitiful by the top group.. All playing a position where you expect offense to come from. And wow just shows the year that renfroe is having so far.

This team reminds me of state two years ago.

Woodruff and Evan Mitchell = devin jones and stratton. (MLB stuff but either off or on)

No true Friday night ace

No clue who would pitch on Sundays

Had two hitters
Frazier=Parks
Renfroe=Vickerson
 

Will James

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I think a worse stat is that we are next to last in SEC play at getting our leadoff runner on first. When our leadoff runner gets to first we score 55% (4th in SEC play) of the time but the problem has been getting them on
 

Todd4State

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Starting pitching is still our biggest problem

We have outscored our first two opponents in both series, and still lost both series. In SEC play, we either win big or lose close.
 

engie

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You do realize that the "pitiful" production that you listed is better than 5 other SEC teams right now?

It doesn't remind me of the 2010 team at all. We are much, much, MUCH better on the hill right now. The fact that you make the analogy simply shows how far we've come on the hill. No Friday night ace? What has Lindgren done...other than be electric? You aren't always going to have a junior first rounder on Friday nights...
 

Lefthandersrule

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It's a little to early to freak out. After all were only two SEC series into the season. We just need to find that third weekend starter and well be just fine.
 

msstate7

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It's a little to early to freak out. After all were only two SEC series into the season. We just need to find that third weekend starter and well be just fine.

That third starter needs to Brandon woodruff. I wonder if he's gonna come around. Does coming off an injury like his take time to trust your arm again?
 

engie

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It's a little to early to freak out. After all were only two SEC series into the season. We just need to find that third weekend starter and well be just fine.

Exactly.

Seems like just yesterday that we were 5-10 in the SEC -- and quite a few here were calling for Cohen to be fired. When did this transpire? Halfway through the SEC season LAST year. We also started 2-4 on our way to 3-6, won the Vandy series to get to 5-7 before being swept at South Carolina. AND we still ended up on the verge of hosting last year. Seems to be a trend that Cohen teams are going to always start slow in the SEC and catch fire as it warms up later in the season. We started 6-9 two seasons ago as well.

The sky is certainly not falling. We're upset about the results thusfar -- but it's easy to see how close we are to being an excellent team.
 

msstate7

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Doesn't South Carolina seem to always struggle a little early only to turn it on late?
 

Todd4State

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Not so fast my friend

I think Will Cox or Pollo might be the answer. Reading between the lines, the plan is going to be to start Cox tomorrow, next week against South Alabama, and then against Ole Miss. If he does well in those games- I could see him being moved to Sunday for the Auburn series.
Pretty smart considering his inexperience.

If Pollorena pitches well, we can always just keep him there. Starting him gives us a guy that has experience and success in the SEC.

But, let's not forget- Cox has outpitched both Evan Mitchell and Brandon Woodruff up to this point. Many people thought that Cox should have been starting all along anyway- we'll see what he does.
 

8dog

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We scored 6 earned runs last wkd...

We have now lost games 3-2 4-3 and in extras because we couldn't score more than 4 We are hitting 255 as a team in six games. We had a guy hit three hr this wkd. All were solo.

Id say hitting/run production is definitely our problem

But it could've been worse--trey porter could've faced a lefty.
 
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57stratdawg

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It is. They need to focus on eating up innings more so than having an ERA of 0.00. It seems like at times our pitchers this year have tried to nibble and nibble, but not been able to throw strikes when they had to. I think thats why that Umpire's strikezone in the Central Arkansas series caused us so much trouble. When you don't know where the corners are, it's tough for us to execute.

I'd love (LOVE) to see this staff's batting average increase if it meant their WHIP would decline.
 

engie

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It is. They need to focus on eating up innings more so than having an ERA of 0.00. It seems like at times our pitchers this year have tried to nibble and nibble, but not been able to throw strikes when they had to. I think thats why that Umpire's strikezone in the Central Arkansas series caused us so much trouble. When you don't know where the corners are, it's tough for us to execute.

I'd love (LOVE) to see this staff's batting average increase if it meant their WHIP would decline.

Agreed...

Seems we've lost track of the larger goals at times on the mound. Everyone but Graveman, Lindgren, Ross Mitchell and Bracewell have started doing this. The previous 3 seem to be better about throwing to contact and letting guys get themselves out, while everyone else is giving up way too many walks overall.

I love Mitchell in relief for this reason. Tons of ground balls and really short innings.
 

Steakonastick

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A true Friday night ace lasts more then 5-6 innigs a start.
The potential is there but right now id classify him as a middle of the road sec starter. We have faced two very good hitting teams but his era is 5.71 in the sec play.

Our bullpen is better then 2011 but starting pitching right now is the same right now. Talent is three times better then that year but we are not performing yet.

If our starters keeping only going 4-6 innigs it's going to be a long year. Stratton spoiled us. We knew every friday if we score 3 runs we will win. He also averaged around 7 1/3 per sec start.

We did not pitch great vs UK but pitched well enough to win in a small ball park. If you would have told me last week we hold UK to 4,3, & 4 runs a game in their park. I would have taken that in a heart beat. And would have guessed we sweep them or at worst win 2.
 

Steakonastick

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Our scoring looks good cause we hit for 2 games. We looked great Sunday vs lsu. . But UK gave us that 5 run inning Friday.


Like saying in basketball
Game 1: state 59 ole miss 54
Game 2: state 64 ole miss 60
Game 3: state 44 ole miss 67

Then ole miss fans saying yup they are the better team they only won one game but out scored us. We would all be cussing them.

To me that is a loser stat that people use to make themselves feel better. Not saying you are saying that Todd. But drives me nuts I heard folks in the gym tonight saying that.
 

bruiser.sixpack

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As they say, there is more to the story. I am concerned that if the batters continue to suck against SEC pitching, our pitchers may tighten up and struggle knowing they may not get run support, and then make disastrous mistakes in the strike zone, or press and walk batters in key spots.
 

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Todd,

In 5 of 6 losses we have scored 3, 4, 3, 2 and 3 runs. In those same losses we gave up 7, 6 (10 innings), 7, 3 and 4.

Pitching hasn't been as good as I thought it would be, but our hitting is the top issue right now. Either way we aren't in terrible shape, but our hitting needs to most work.
 

Goat Holder

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Starting pitching is not necessarily a PROBLEM.....it's just not as good as we all hoped it would be. And seems to be under-performing in relation expectations and the assumed talent we have on the roster. Which in turn makes our hitting more critical, prompting many people to say hitting is the issue and not pitching.

Either way, all those are expectations and assumptions, as are the personnel decisions we ***** about. Ws and Ls are really the only metric to judge.
 

Goat Holder

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Ideally if Woodruff was living up to his potential, he would be the Friday night guy. But to say right now that he needs to be the 3rd guy if ******* retarded.
 

Todd4State

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Unearned runs don't count?

What other rules do you want to make up as this discussion goes on?
 

Todd4State

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And in how many of those games

Did we score first or have the lead? I believe the answer is one this weekend and two last. We blew one of the games to LSU, but we won the other two games where we scored first- including the Kentucky game where we actually lost the lead and came back. So, we are 2-1 with an extra inning loss. And we are averaging about 7 runs a game (earned and unearned as if that somehow matters HOW you score).

My point is this- when our starting pitching is putting us in a hole to start with, it changes how we have to approach hitting. It takes away our running game after one inning and our small ball, and it makes us passive at the plate because then you have to start to work the count. We fix the starting pitching, and then it will help the hitting. If we can keep ourselves from getting in a big hole at the start-it's going to make it better for our offense.

And it will also help the one thing that no one has mentioned yet- it will keep the bullpen from getting burned out.

As a team, our SEC batting average is tied for seventh in the league- and that includes a series against LSU's pitching staff which is pretty good. Not only that- we still lead the SEC in hitting and OBP. You can play the "cupcake schedule card" but the fact is the other teams in the SEC are playing cupcakes as well and we are hitting better than all of them except LSU who we are tied with.
 

Todd4State

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I didn't say that to make anyone "feel better"

Our scoring looks good cause we hit for 2 games. We looked great Sunday vs lsu. . But UK gave us that 5 run inning Friday.


Like saying in basketball
Game 1: state 59 ole miss 54
Game 2: state 64 ole miss 60
Game 3: state 44 ole miss 67

Then ole miss fans saying yup they are the better team they only won one game but out scored us. We would all be cussing them.

To me that is a loser stat that people use to make themselves feel better. Not saying you are saying that Todd. But drives me nuts I heard folks in the gym tonight saying that.

I said that because my point is our starting pitching is killing us. If anything, it should make us feel bad because we are scoring runs and still not getting wins. I don't think it's a coincidence that the LSU game where we looked in, Graveman gave us a quality start.

Are you complaining that UK "gave us" a five run inning? I guess we can't win for losing because if we didn't take advantage of their mistakes, people would be complaining about that. We had productive at bats in that inning, worked some walks, put the ball in the play and made UK field the ball, and they couldn't do it. That's the way it goes sometimes, but I don't think it's something to put our team down about. Good teams take advantage of the other teams mistakes.
 

msstate7

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Ideally if Woodruff was living ubp to his potential, he would be the Friday night guy. But to say right now that he needs to be the 3rd guy if ******* retarded.

He does need to be based on talent. Would I put him there now? No!!! For us to be an Omaha contender though, he (or evan) needs to be a weekend starter. Right now neither are good enough and thus we aren't an Omaha contender.
 

Will James

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My point is this- when our starting pitching is putting us in a hole to start with, it changes how we have to approach hitting. It takes away our running game after one inning and our small ball, and it makes us passive at the plate because then you have to start to work the count. We fix the starting pitching, and then it will help the hitting. If we can keep ourselves from getting in a big hole at the start-it's going to make it better for our offense.

What small ball exactly would you like to see early in games that giving up a couple of runs somehow changes? Why exactly would a couple of early runs change anything? You will have to score at some point to win. Lets take a look at our SEC games..

LSU Fri- We lead early and the go up 3 runs after the 5th. Todd logic says LSU really better panic! No, they just get on base for their big bat and get right back in the game which they eventually win. Not by small balling I might add. Starting pitching not to blame here.

LSU Sat- We're only down 1 run through 4. Not this great early in the game mountain that you speak of that's plaguing us. No, our problem this game is that our leadoff man only reached base TWICE. You cant score if you dont get on. Not to mention striking out 11 times. Starting pitching not to blame here

LSU Sun- We beat that *** by scoring bunches of runs. Wasted a couple of potential runs early being goofy with CT and Demarcus. Starting piching not to blame here

UK Fri- Do not go down early like Todd's epidemic suggests. We are down 4-2 heading into the 6th. Oh no! Change our gameplan! No... Our leadoff man gets on, WE DONT ****, and proceed to win the game playing swing the bat. starting pitching not to blame here


UK Sat 1- They score 2 in the first. So 17ing what. Doesn't change up anything, we were down 2 in the SIXTH the night before. Graveman settles and our pitching only gives up 3. Should be enough to win a college baseball game. But not when our first leadoff man to reach base comes in the NINTH (9TH) INNING! Or when bats like Detz and Porter are riding pine while Little Tyler Fullerton gets his turn. The offense has to produce and you produce by getting the leadoff man on base. Starting pitching not to blame here.

UK Sat 2- We give up 3 in the 1st. So 17ing what. Doesn't change up anything, we were down 2 in the SIXTH the night before. It obviously didnt change our small ball up Todd because Cohen ****ed Henderson in the 3rd. Something I have warned against doing. They get the lead runner out at 2nd. Even despite that we STILL scored 2 runs and were right back in the game in the 3rd inning. You telling me that being down 3-2 in the 3rd and losing 4-3 is to be blamed on anything else than the hitters? Kentucky got 3 hits the entire game. Our blame goes to our bats that only managed FOUR! I will add that we only got our leadoff man on base TWICE. Pitching is not to blame!

Goat is right, you post what you want to see not what is actually there.
Again, this makes no sense. You are far from a baseball expert Todd. Flair has practiced extensively at 3B and SS, making him not just a corner infielder. Guys like Norris are the corner guys, but Flair is faster than he is. Detz came in as a 2B and has played 1B in Rea's absence. So what? Your theories are dumb and not rooted in any logic at all. It's almost like you just post what YOU would like to see happen.
We aren't getting in these big holes early, not anything that we shouldn't be able to overcome. Our offense is next to last in getting leadoff men on base in conference play. Thats where the blame lies.
 
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engie

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So, starting pitching isn't to blame when we give up 3 runs on zero hits in the first without getting an out --- and end up losing a game 4-3? I've literally heard it all now.

At some point, you have to see that we are mostly facing damn good pitchers from now on. You can say we're giving away runs offensively all you want -- and we are. But we're giving away just as many on the hill, on the bases, and on defense. There is literally enough blame to go around for this entire team.

You take one quote that is true -- Our starting pitching is hurting us and putting us into defensive mode instead of offensive mode like we fully expected coming into the year(although we're still 13th in the country in ERA) -- and blow everything else completely out of context into another bs diatribe.

News flash -- LSU is built to play for a big inning -- so is UK -- We are not right now without Rea 100% and Norris/Porter hitting for power. Ron Polk baseball 101 is what you are literally asking for -- and we wonder why this program never moves forward?
 

Will James

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So, starting pitching isn't to blame when we give up 3 runs on zero hits in the first without getting an out --- and end up losing a game 4-3? I've literally heard it all now.

At some point, you have to see that we are mostly facing damn good pitchers from now on. You can say we're giving away runs offensively all you want -- and we are. But we're giving away just as many on the hill, on the bases, and on defense. There is literally enough blame to go around for this entire team.

You take one quote that is true -- Our starting pitching is hurting us and putting us into defensive mode instead of offensive mode like we fully expected coming into the year(although we're still 13th in the country in ERA) -- and blow everything else completely out of context into another bs diatribe.

We averaged 4.3 runs/game LAST season in conference play. If you told me I could give the other team 4 runs and only play our 27 outs for all conference games I am taking that in a heartbeat. Yeah we went down 3-0 and if we had lost 8-3 it would be the pitchers to blame in that game. But at the point in the game where it's 3-2 in the 3rd and we hold them to 1 more run the final 6 innings its up to our offense to come up with the runs to win the game. Not. That. Complicated.

News flash -- LSU is built to play for a big inning -- so is UK -- We are not right now without Rea 100% and Norris/Porter hitting for power. Ron Polk baseball 101 is what you are literally asking for -- and we wonder why this program never moves forward?

Yeah because Cohenball has proved to be successful* You have a chance for more runs not ****ing one man over. Plain and simple. Even if we had Sam Frost 1-9.

Even in our limited 6 games the trends are continuing from last season. We are averaging .63 more runs/inning not ****ing there than ****ing there.

As runs/game in baseball have gone down, the value of the big hitter has gone UP. Why we waste potential baserunners early in the lineup and early in the game; why we dont set Renfroe up for maximum runners on base is beyond me.
 

engie

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We averaged 4.3 runs/game LAST season in conference play. If you told me I could give the other team 4 runs and only play our 27 outs for all conference games I am taking that in a heartbeat. Yeah we went down 3-0 and if we had lost 8-3 it would be the pitchers to blame in that game. But at the point in the game where it's 3-2 in the 3rd and we hold them to 1 more run the final 6 innings its up to our offense to come up with the runs to win the game. Not. That. Complicated.
Sure it is. But that's not what you were saying the first time. You said it isn't our pitchers' fault when it is. No one gives a single 17 "what you are taking."

We averaged 4.3 runs/game in conference last year.
We had a 2.92 conference ERA last year.

This year thusfar:
We are averaging 5.0 runs/game in conference.
We have a 4.22 conference ERA right now.

Now, you tell me which one is letting us down to a greater extent. "Small sample sizes" will of course be your default response -- because your argument goes against the stats that are kicking your theory(claimed as fact)'s *** RIGHT NOW -- which is what Todd was talking about. The offense is better than last year, the pitching is worse. The offense is about what we expected, the pitching is disappointing the **** out of everyone.

NOT. THAT. COMPLICATED.

Yeah because Cohenball has proved to be successful* You have a chance for more runs not ****ing one man over. Plain and simple. Even if we had Sam Frost 1-9.
WTF are you talking about? You are literally a one-trick pony. Congrats on reading Boyd's World on stats that many of us have posted to this board since Cohen was hired though...

Even in our limited 6 games the trends are continuing from last season. We are averaging .63 more runs/inning not ****ing there than ****ing there.
OK? And who is arguing about ****ing? Oh, that's right -- you are literally arguing with yourself. Simple fact -- It's tough AS HELL to play aggressive baseball down 3-4 runs. You can't manufacture runs -- and you can't pressure opposing defenses in the way our team is set up to do. You look like a moron if you get caught stealing down 3 -- hitting and running -- or any other form of offensive pressure. Being down means you have to play station to station baseball -- that isn't how this team is built.

As runs/game in baseball have gone down, the value of the big hitter has gone UP. Why we waste potential baserunners early in the lineup and early in the game; why we dont set Renfroe up for maximum runners on base is beyond me.
And? Please explain to me how we should better "set Renfroe up for maximum runners on base" -- Full Data Analysis pls.
 
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Will James

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Sure it is. But that's not what you were saying the first time. You said it isn't our pitchers' fault when it is. No one gives a single 17 "what you are taking."

We averaged 4.3 runs/game in conference last year.
We had a 2.92 conference ERA last year.

This year thusfar:
We are averaging 5.0 runs/game in conference.
We have a 4.22 conference ERA right now.

Now, you tell me which one is letting us down to a greater extent. "Small sample sizes" will of course be your default response -- because your argument goes against the stats that are kicking your theory(claimed as fact)'s *** RIGHT NOW -- which is what Todd was talking about. The offense is better than last year, the pitching is worse. The offense is about what we expected, the pitching is disappointing the **** out of everyone.

Glad you didn't look back at my game by game recap showing how it's our offense not our defense letting us down. You just said that our ERA is lower than runs/game in conference. Yet we are 2-4. Why? Because in our losses we've scored 2, 3, 3, and 4 runs. I also find it funny that you AGAIN turn what I say around. Todd was arguing that our STARTING PITCHING was the problem giving up lots of early runs. That's just not the case. 2 and 3 runs in the 1st against Kentucky, at that park, is not impossible to overcome. Especially when you see the fact that we held them to 3 and 4 runs. Our offense let us down this weekend.


WTF are you talking about? You are literally a one-trick pony. Congrats on reading Boyd's World on stats that many of us have posted to this board since Cohen was hired though...
You brought up that we can't play for a big inning, which is foolish. Giving up outs, especially early, especially only moving one runner is always dumb. You have even said I've been right about that.


OK? And who is arguing about ****ing?
Todd...

Simple fact -- It's tough AS HELL to play aggressive baseball down 3-4 runs. You can't manufacture runs -- and you can't pressure opposing defenses in the way our team is set up to do. You look like a moron if you get caught stealing down 3 -- hitting and running -- or any other form of offensive pressure. Being down means you have to play station to station baseball -- that isn't how this team is built.

This is college baseball. Our on-base % LAST SEASON was higher than 98% of MLB teams from the last decade. You don't have to play "agressive baseball" down 2-3 runs in the 1st inning....


And? Please explain to me how we should better "set Renfroe up for maximum runners on base" -- Full Data Analysis pls.

By hitting him 4th. You should know this, genius.


You're losing your coveted status on here Engie. I haven't forgotten you saying Rea would outslug Renfroe. Not before the season mind you, but 16 games in.
 

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The truth is, both sides are right. We need to get better starting pitching. And we need to hit better and score more runs than we have been. The pitching should get better with the rotation change for this weekend and hopefully if Woodruff can turn his season around and start to pitch to his potential. Offensively, we will continue to be a very average team, but I think we should be able to do a little better than the first 2 weekends.
 

Will James

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The truth is, both sides are right. We need to get better starting pitching. And we need to hit better and score more runs than we have been. The pitching should get better with the rotation change for this weekend and hopefully if Woodruff can turn his season around and start to pitch to his potential. Offensively, we will continue to be a very average team, but I think we should be able to do a little better than the first 2 weekends.

Our 3rd starter needs to improve yes but this past weekend our pitching overall was good enough for the sweep.
 

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Overall, it was. But when you give up 3 earned runs on no hits in the 1st and lose by 1, it's hard to say pitching wasn't a problem. That's inexcusable. I agree our pitching overall is better than our hitting overall. But our offense is what it is. It's mediocre and that's not going to change because that's about the best we can be. We can not give up 3 runs on 4 walks and a HBP in 1 inning though. Our pitching can improve over what it's been the last few weeks.
 

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I'm talking more about stealing bases

doing hit and runs- things like that than I am ****ing- but I guess you have your panties in a wad. When you are down, you don't do those things because you don't want to risk getting thrown out and running yourself out of a potential inning. Also, it's more difficult to steal because you know the pitcher is going to throw you more fastballs trying to get you to put the ball in play to get easy outs.

It sounds like you are the one trying to see what you want to see- the fact is we have two power hitters in our lineup right now- Renfroe and Rea, and Rea hasn't been 100% for most of the year. We have a lot of team speed- we need to take advnatage of it. Sitting around trying to make multi-run comebacks is not what we want to do. It would be like Emory Bellard throwing the ball 50 times in a game- it's not what his team is built to do.

What is hilarious to me is Cohen did what you wanted during his "coaching progression" and our offense declined and CT went into a week long slump because he had no protection in the lineup. Good call on that.

Anytime we are not getting 6 IP out of our starter, it's an issue. There's a stat called- QUALITY STARTS- and it exists for a reason.

As far as our starting pitching- it's not God awful horrible- but we need another quality starter. It's really hard to ask Graveman and Lindgren to go 6 IP every single time without fail. Sometimes a pitcher is going to have a crappy start. I can tolerate that, but not every single start which is what Evan Mitchell has been giving us every weekend. The problem is we were going into every single one of Evan's starts knowing we weren't going to get six, and if Lindgren gets hit on the leg or Graveman doesn't have it, we're totally screwed.
 

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Our starting pitching has not been great. They are under achieving big time. But as bad as they have been we still are in games. This is college baseball with metal bats. We gotta score more then 3-4 runs a game to win most of the games.

Also using ERA for a MSU stat is flawed. Our score keepers are awful. Go watch a weekend series and you will see at least 5 plays scored wrong.

Reminds me how guys in high school would flirt with the girl who kept the book. Hoping she would change errors to hits.
 

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Overall, it was. But when you give up 3 earned runs on no hits in the 1st and lose by 1, it's hard to say pitching wasn't a problem. That's inexcusable. I agree our pitching overall is better than our hitting overall. But our offense is what it is. It's mediocre and that's not going to change because that's about the best we can be. We can not give up 3 runs on 4 walks and a HBP in 1 inning though. Our pitching can improve over what it's been the last few weeks.

Exactly right. It's ALL a problem...and there is plenty of blame to go around. Might as well add defense and baserunning to the list because we've been costily lackluster at both at major points in these losses.

Will James is just in a hurry to argue a position that he, again, can't back up statistically. He wants to present 4 individual data points as factually all-encompassing(without even looking at the other end of the spectrum in the SAME FOUR GAMES) -- when, in fact, just looking at the cumulative total of those data points absolutely goes AGAINST what he is saying. It's agenda-driven -- instead of just looking at the big picture as you, I, and Todd were attempting to do here.

Will, since he wants to JUST argue the 4 SEC losses(minimizing the data to tell the story that he wants -- especially since the Central Arky losses go further against his position), I'll play that game as well...

In the 4 losses, we are averaging 1.3R/G below our season(conference) average last year. In those same 4 losses, we've given up 1.83ER/G above our season(conference) average last year. Again, showing that statistically in the losses pitching has still been MORE lackluster than hitting relative to expectations.

We expected to be an average(SEC) hitting team. We're right on pace for that. We expected to be an exceptional(SEC) pitching team. We are not even close to on pace for that.

I look at our pitchers, and I'm drastically disappointed in(at least) 3 right now -- Woodruff, Mitchell, Holder.
I look at our hitters, and I'm drastically disappointed in none right now. They've mostly been who we thought they were and/or could be.
 
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Didn't we give Croom a tough time for complaining about the defense giving up 14 points or something? That's kind of how I feel about that. I get it, our team is suppose to be lights-out on the mound, but we probably should be winning games if the opposition is only scoring 3 or 4 runs.

My concern is the strain on the bullpen the SP is causing. These one and three inning outings have to stop, because if the bullpen goes down, this team is dead in the water. I'd like to see us pitch to contact more, especially if it means we cut out three walks and a wildpitch by doing so.
 
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Todd4State

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You would think a sabermatician would understand this

So, starting pitching isn't to blame when we give up 3 runs on zero hits in the first without getting an out --- and end up losing a game 4-3? I've literally heard it all now.

At some point, you have to see that we are mostly facing damn good pitchers from now on. You can say we're giving away runs offensively all you want -- and we are. But we're giving away just as many on the hill, on the bases, and on defense. There is literally enough blame to go around for this entire team.

You take one quote that is true -- Our starting pitching is hurting us and putting us into defensive mode instead of offensive mode like we fully expected coming into the year(although we're still 13th in the country in ERA) -- and blow everything else completely out of context into another bs diatribe.

News flash -- LSU is built to play for a big inning -- so is UK -- We are not right now without Rea 100% and Norris/Porter hitting for power. Ron Polk baseball 101 is what you are literally asking for -- and we wonder why this program never moves forward?

The Moneyball A's staff was Zito, Hudson, and Mulder.
 

Will James

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Gee Engie why would I look at our losses to determine who is to blame for our losses? Again your logic is baffling. Your essays may impress some but your logic is pitiful. Also if u look at my game by game, which u won't, you'll see that pitching is not to blame in any game. Win obviously or loss. Going down 3 in the first is irreverent once we cut it to 3-2 in the 3rd. At that point we gotta score more runs than them.
 

engie

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Gee Engie why would I look at our losses to determine who is to blame for our losses?
You attempted to -- and I showed you the pitching was worse than the hitting statistically in those games.

Again your logic is baffling.
Baffling to who? You because it silences your more ignorant positions.

Your essays may impress some but your logic is pitiful.
You seem upset about being proven wrong... again...

Also if u look at my game by game, which u won't, you'll see that pitching is not to blame in any game.
Oh, I looked at it. You conveniently ignored the ER's allowed aspect altogether to focus on the hitting. And I showed you(statistically) that pitching was still the bigger problem in those games by about 0.5RPG

Win obviously or loss.
So, pitching is never to blame... Got it**
That actually REALLY clears up your position.

Going down 3 in the first is irreverent once we cut it to 3-2 in the 3rd.
No it isn't. It's still going down 3-0 in the first. Otherwise, we would be leading 2-0 in the 3rd -- and our bullpen wouldn't be blown to ****.

At that point we gotta score more runs than them.
The heck you say**
 
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