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Poetax

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Why is this even up for discussion? Patrick has started for practically 2 years and has been awful. Drew has started for 6 quarters and is giving you at worst the same production. That says volumes about PT's lack of ability. Play the younger guy and move on.

No, actually if you knew football it's easy to see that this team suffers from cracks from end to end and needs fixing by recruiting much better players.
 

Stoneule88

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No, actually if you knew football it's easy to see that this team suffers from cracks from end to end and needs fixing by recruiting much better players
Actually if you could read you'd see that nothing I wrote contradicts with a word you just typed. However if you are some kind of qb apologist and want to pretend that qb is not a major problem, then I don't know what to tell you except, don't click on a qb topic thread and put your head back in the sand.
 
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Behind a good line Towles is still throwing bad passes , when he had time he simply doesn't throw an accurate pass . He's not good , you can blame everything around him if you want . Fact is everything sucks from Towles on down but just because the line is bad doesn't mean he gets a pass . Sounding like Dawson , if it worked then you'd like it . Towles is done , he's a basket case at this point .
 
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Actually if you could read you'd see that nothing I wrote contradicts with a word you just typed. However if you are some kind of qb apologist and want to pretend that qb is not a major problem, then I don't know what to tell you except, don't click on a qb topic thread and put your head back in the sand.

We don't agree, the team as a whole is a major problem from end to end not just the QBs. I try to click on those posts that show their lack of football knowledge like yours.
 
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Behind a good line Towles is still throwing bad passes , when he had time he simply doesn't throw an accurate pass . He's not good , you can blame everything around him if you want . Fact is everything sucks from Towles on down but just because the line is bad doesn't mean he gets a pass . Sounding like Dawson , if it worked then you'd like it . Towles is done , he's a basket case at this point .

No crime for being naive.
 
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Stoneule88

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We don't agree, the team as a whole is a major problem from end to end not just the QBs. I try to click on those posts that show their lack of football knowledge like yours.
Wow. What a troll. No one is saying qb is the only problem that is ridiculous. I'm sorry Mr. Towles but your son sucks. Just take comfort in being a forum football expert
 

Poetax

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Wow. What a troll. No one is saying qb is the only problem that is ridiculous. I'm sorry Mr. Towles but your son sucks. Just take comfort in being a forum football expert

I didn't mentioned Towles, braindead, I mean stoneule, only you did, read, it helps you to understand the facts.
 

Barry MuCockinher

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Yet, loservilles qb looked like heissman candidate today
This shows that most are missing the point. The coaching of this offense has been dreadful this year. Uofl has coaches that are able to adjust and put their play makers in a position to succeed. Ours make no adjustment and puts the offense behind the 8 ball with the play calling all year! Not to mention it wears down the defense when we spend under 2 minutes in the field.
That's what you get with unproven play callers!!

Sure it's a mixture of inconsistent players in all areas. The talent level is similar, so that's no excuse. Uofl dealt with the same crap this year, yet they have the coaches to adjust and make it work.......today proves it. It shouldn't be that way, our fan base deserves better. We've suffered long enough. I think people are focusing on various aspects a the main problem.......but you have to take a hard look at who's running this ship. Had the offense been managed correctly this entire season is different!
 
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No, actually if you knew football it's easy to see that this team suffers from cracks from end to end and needs fixing by recruiting much better players.

It's the lack of coached fundamentals that's atrocious not simply recruiting better players.
I've not seen tackling as bad since Mike Major.
 
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It's the lack of coached fundamentals that's atrocious not simply recruiting better players.
I've not seen tackling as bad since Mike Major.

I agree this team has not got any great open field tacklers. But if it had to be taught what did they do in high school? Surely we are looking for good tacklers for the D.
 

Poetax

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Behind a good line Towles is still throwing bad passes , when he had time he simply doesn't throw an accurate pass . He's not good , you can blame everything around him if you want . Fact is everything sucks from Towles on down but just because the line is bad doesn't mean he gets a pass . Sounding like Dawson , if it worked then you'd like it . Towles is done , he's a basket case at this point .

I agree Towles's time is gone but did you not see the similar circumstances with Drew today? Pressure on passing plays, drops, penalties on the oline when big plays were made, sacks, and having to throw the ball away numerous times. Bash the kid, heck tell the world but you can't deny the facts of today's game.
 
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RealCat41

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It should be a crime for being a complete dip ish and acting like Towles is Joe Montana minus all the goodies around him .

No one is saying that you're an idiot or anything. Just that you are extremely naive when it comes to football analysis. I'm sure you're young.
 

bsteele350

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Behind a good line Towles is still throwing bad passes , when he had time he simply doesn't throw an accurate pass . He's not good , you can blame everything around him if you want . Fact is everything sucks from Towles on down but just because the line is bad doesn't mean he gets a pass . Sounding like Dawson , if it worked then you'd like it . Towles is done , he's a basket case at this point .
Good line play....when?
 
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Xception

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I agree Towles's time is gone but did you not see the similar circumstances with Drew today? Pressure on passing plays, drops, penalties on the oline when big plays were made, sacks, and having to throw the ball away numerous times. Bash the kid, he'll tell the world but you can't deny the facts of today's game.
Yea I saw it was similar but nobody is making statements that Drew would be good if it weren't for other positions . Posters kept putting out that notion with Towles all year and it's just not true . Besides I didn't want a change because it was all Towles fault but I knew it was a waist of time for a fourth year junior to play no better than a rs freshman . If Barker is doing the same stuff Towles did in his fourth year then you're on to something but it's his second game ever .

With Barker there is room for a lot of improvement , Towles is what he is at this point so I fail to see where anybody pointing out the similarities has a point . It's shortsighted and only concerned with protecting a poor opinion to begin with , Towles should have been benched well before this .
 
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I agree this team has not got any great open field tacklers. But if it had to be taught what did they do in high school? Surely we are looking for good tacklers for the D.

Wish had a few Jeff Snedegar's on the team. Maybe he's available to coach LB's.
But I'm sure we've seen many kids that looked good in high school against the competition they faced and not pan out in college.
 
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Poetax

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Yea I saw it was similar but nobody is making statements that Drew would be good if it weren't for other positions . Posters kept putting out that notion with Towles all year and it's just not true . Besides I didn't want a change because it was all Towles fault but I knew it was a waist of time for a fourth year junior to play no better than a rs freshman . If Barker is doing the same stuff Towles did in his fourth year then you're on to something but it's his second game ever .

With Barker there is room for a lot of improvement , Towles is what he is at this point so I fail to see where anybody pointing out the similarities has a point . It's shortsighted and only concerned with protecting a poor opinion to begin with , Towles should have been benched well before this .

Drew will not improve while laying on his back looking up at the sky after a sack. He needs lots of help around him. I think your problem is you feel Drew should have gotten a chance earlier but that's Stoops's fault not Towles. If we had 5 more games, against the same 5 teams, Charlotte would still be our only win the second time around because Drew can't carry everybody.
 

Xception

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Drew will not improve while laying on his back looking up at the sky after a sack. He needs lots of help around him. I think your problem is you feel Drew should have gotten a chance earlier but that's Stoops's fault not Towles. If we had 5 more games, against the same 5 teams, Charlotte would still be our only win the second time around because Drew can't carry everybody.
My problem is with people acting like Towles is a victim of circumstances but he would be great otherwise , simply not true .
 

Poetax

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My problem is with people acting like Towles is a victim of circumstances but he would be great otherwise , simply not true .

If the problems are not fixed and Drew is never a success, there wouldn't be a part of you that says he was a victim of circumstances?
 

Xception

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If the problems are not fixed and Drew is never a success, there wouldn't be a part of you that says he was a victim of circumstances?
If he can lead a receiver and not contribute to the issues then I understand being under duress . Those problems aren't what made Towles failed qb , he had problems upstairs , decision making and with delivering the ball . You act like all of those issues just go away under a good line . It's true that if he got to sit back there all day then he would be more effective but in what universe is that expected ? It's lame like Dawson defending his play calls with if it worked then you would like it . Towles is not good in case anyone is having trouble figuring out what I'm trying to say and it's his abilities that are just as much at fault as everything around him . You think otherwise , fine .
 

Xception

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Im not talking about Towles or Barker - I was asking when you thought there was good line play. I watched Barker take two sacks against Charlotte....Charlotte.
So we haven't had any good runs this year and our qb's have had zero time to pass on every play . The lines been bad but not every play all year but to act like Towles can't throw because of the line play is wrong .
 

Poetax

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If he can lead a receiver and not contribute to the issues then I understand being under duress . Those problems aren't what made Towles failed qb , he had problems upstairs , decision making and with delivering the ball . You act like all of those issues just go away under a good line . It's true that if he got to sit back there all day then he would be more effective but in what universe is that expected ? It's lame like Dawson defending his play calls with if it worked then you would like it . Towles is not good in case anyone is having trouble figuring out what I'm trying to say and it's his abilities that are just as much at fault as everything around him . You think otherwise , fine .

No, see that's the problem while you hate Towles, I love Drew and want him to succeed. But I see the problems that Drew is facing, and they will keep him from reaching his goals if Stoops doesn't fix them.
 

Xception

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No, see that's the problem while you hate Towles, I love Drew and want him to succeed. But I see the problems that Drew is facing, and they will keep him from reaching his goals if Stoops doesn't fix them.
That's what you took from all of that , was that I hate Towles and you love Drew because I don't agree with your opinion . [laughing] I tell you what , take a good qb from another team and he doesn't get benched for Barker despite our issues .
 

Poetax

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That's what you took from all of that , was that I hate Towles and you love Drew because I don't agree with your opinion . [laughing] I tell you what , take a good qb from another team and he doesn't get benched for Barker despite our issues .

Yeah I can see that you and I would be guys that would want to talk face to face because texting on a sports site my reasoning is not coming through like I would hope to you. No I don't think you hate Towles because we disagree. You just seem to dislike him in all your posts.
 

Xception

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Yeah I can see that you and I would be guys that would want to talk face to face because texting on a sports site my reasoning is not coming through like I would hope to you. No I don't think you hate Towles because we disagree. You just seem to dislike him in all your posts.
Well since I think he has flaws and his play is not entirely due to players around him then it will come off like that . The excuses for Towles all year has turned me off a bit and his demeanor or idiosyncrasies doesn't help . Everybody has players they like or don't for whatever reason .
 

Poetax

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Well since I think he has flaws and his play is not entirely due to players around him then it will come off like that . The excuses for Towles all year has turned me off a bit and his demeanor or idiosyncrasies doesn't help . Everybody has players they like or don't for whatever reason .

I understand good talking to you.
 

bsteele350

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So we haven't had any good runs this year and our qb's have had zero time to pass on every play . The lines been bad but not every play all year but to act like Towles can't throw because of the line play is wrong .
I'm not sure why you keep bringing up Towles. Our line is equally as awful for both QB's. Giving a qb time to throw the ball a handful of times each game is not good, nor acceptable.
 

Xception

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I'm not sure why you keep bringing up Towles. Our line is equally as awful for both QB's. Giving a qb time to throw the ball a handful of times each game is not good, nor acceptable.
So what the touch is your point , that line play has been bad this year ? Holy ish what a revelation , nobody has even considered that .
 

bsteele350

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So what the touch is your point , that line play has been bad this year ? Holy ish what a revelation , nobody has even considered that .
. You said the line play was good, so I thought maybe you had a revelation that I and the rest of the state of KY were missing - hence my reason for asking. Glad to see we are on the same touching page.
 
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Xception

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. You said the line play was good, so I thought maybe you had a revelation that I and the rest of the state of KY were missing - hence my reason for asking. Glad to see we are on the same touching page.
The problem here is that you are misinterpreting the first line in my post that you initially quoted . When I posted behind a good line it was not referring to our line , you need to read the whole post to gain context instead of reading part of it and then stopping to object . You wasted too much of our time already , I hope this learning experience will help avoid this again .