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How am I too soft? Numbers don't lie. They couldn't convert on short yardage situations so there was no reason to be confident in going for two.
So you think he is Pippen and not Jordan.

The moment was there for the 2 point conversion and the HC blew it.This was the prime time moment when a.star is born.
 

4Afan

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So you think he is Pippen and not Jordan.

The moment was there for the 2 point conversion and the HC blew it.This was the prime time moment when a.star is born.
If you think he's Jordan after one above average season you may be in for a let down. Jordan also missed far more game winners than he made.

I think Johnson knew the defense was playing well and liked his chances in OT.

So what would your reaction be if they went for two and missed?
 

Wassup13_rivals219252

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If you think he's Jordan after one above average season you may be in for a let down. Jordan also missed far more game winners than he made.

I think Johnson knew the defense was playing well and liked his chances in OT.

So what would your reaction be if they went for two and missed?

I like your points but will have to just agree to disagree.
 

4Afan

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Alright, the offseason is upon us, what's the plan?

Brisker and Byard are the biggest free agents. Byard will be 33 next year but had a good year this year, I'd be open to a short term deal for him. Wright is also a free agent, but I can't see him repeating the year he had this year.

The Bears will have to move some things around or it doesn't look like they'll have a ton of cap space. I could see them trading DJ, but due to his contract the return won't be what people here think it should be. Hendrickson and Quay Walker are the biggest defensive free agents and I would love if the Bears could grab either, though it's highly unlikely.

The Bears will have the 25th pick in the draft and it needs to be DL.
 

SiuCubFan8

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Stings cause it was right there.
It would be helpful to catch the ball.
Hats off to D. Didn’t get a TO, ball didn’t bounce there way the way it had all year.
loveland being out late wasn’t helpful.
 

SiuCubFan8

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Alright, the offseason is upon us, what's the plan?

Brisker and Byard are the biggest free agents. Byard will be 33 next year but had a good year this year, I'd be open to a short term deal for him. Wright is also a free agent, but I can't see him repeating the year he had this year.

The Bears will have to move some things around or it doesn't look like they'll have a ton of cap space. I could see them trading DJ, but due to his contract the return won't be what people here think it should be. Hendrickson and Quay Walker are the biggest defensive free agents and I would love if the Bears could grab either, though it's highly unlikely.

The Bears will have the 25th pick in the draft and it needs to be DL.
DJ dead cap hit is large if they trade him this offseason.
 

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DJ dead cap hit is large if they trade him this offseason.
True. His contract makes it difficult to move him. Many may disagree, and it won’t happen, but trading Odunze would be a good move, imo. They don’t need 3 top end WRs since they play 3 TE sets so often. Odunze would have high value. You could get some defensive help for him. Plus, I like Burden better than Odunze. And trading Odunze would provide more opportunities for Burden. Again, it won’t happen. Poles is too big of an Odunze fan.

The D line is the priority in trades, FA and the draft. Need multiple pieces there. Might be able to get a good D tackle at 25 in the draft. They simply have to get some guys on the D line who can get to the passer and better disrupt the run game.
 

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True. His contract makes it difficult to move him. Many may disagree, and it won’t happen, but trading Odunze would be a good move, imo. They don’t need 3 top end WRs since they play 3 TE sets so often. Odunze would have high value. You could get some defensive help for him. Plus, I like Burden better than Odunze. And trading Odunze would provide more opportunities for Burden. Again, it won’t happen. Poles is too big of an Odunze fan.

The D line is the priority in trades, FA and the draft. Need multiple pieces there. Might be able to get a good D tackle at 25 in the draft. They simply have to get some guys on the D line who can get to the passer and better disrupt the run game.
They are not trading Rome nor should they.
 
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Was anyone else surprised at the Thuney to LT move? Why not play Benedet there? McFadden had not played all year. Thuney seemed to play okay. I can only assume they did not like the matchup of Benedet on Verse.
 

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Was anyone else surprised at the Thuney to LT move? Why not play Benedet there? McFadden had not played all year. Thuney seemed to play okay. I can only assume they did not like the matchup of Benedet on Verse.
Surprised, most definitely. Sure says a lot about Benedet's future that they trust McFadden knowing the playbook for only a week over Benedet being there all year.
 

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Was anyone else surprised at the Thuney to LT move? Why not play Benedet there? McFadden had not played all year. Thuney seemed to play okay. I can only assume they did not like the matchup of Benedet on Verse.
And they ran away from Verse, so just keep Benedet in there? KC put Thuney at LT in their playoff runs as well at times. I am figuring they're not messing around and putting their best players in certain places. All I got on that one.
 

SiuCubFan8

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And they ran away from Verse, so just keep Benedet in there? KC put Thuney at LT in their playoff runs as well at times. I am figuring they're not messing around and putting their best players in certain places. All I got on that one.
I think they were running behind one of the best run blocking RTs rather than running away from Verse…for the most part.
 

Wittymoniker1

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Alright, the offseason is upon us, what's the plan?

Brisker and Byard are the biggest free agents. Byard will be 33 next year but had a good year this year, I'd be open to a short term deal for him. Wright is also a free agent, but I can't see him repeating the year he had this year.

The Bears will have to move some things around or it doesn't look like they'll have a ton of cap space. I could see them trading DJ, but due to his contract the return won't be what people here think it should be. Hendrickson and Quay Walker are the biggest defensive free agents and I would love if the Bears could grab either, though it's highly unlikely.

The Bears will have the 25th pick in the draft and it needs to be DL.
Well, their O-line should be good next year. Looks like they have some depth, and hopefully, Ozzie can come back and perform like this past year. Credit to their O-line coach.

Is this year's draft deep with D-linemen? They may go with the best player at the number. D-line needs to definitely be improved. I hope they're are some solid FAs out there.

Are they going to keep Kmet? I know Rome has potential, but would like for him to be healthy and really prove what he can do, like Colston.

I like their two extra WRs: #14 & 20. Add another RB--Swift may lose so me ground next year.
 

SiuCubFan8

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Edmunds/Kmet/Swift are the guys you can cut and save you money, especially Edmunds.
Kmet/Dalhman/Jaylon/DJ/Garrett/Thuney could be restructure guys.
 
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Edmunds/Kmet/Swift are the guys you can cut and save you money, especially Edmunds.
Kmet/Dalhman/Jaylon could be restructure guys.
Agreed. Swift did very well this year, but I think they could find someone else at a lower cost. I also think Swift may be losing a little next year.

Btw, is this a close game if they're playing in the domed stadium in AH? I am really not inclined to believe "Bear Weather" and all that, but is this like a 35 - 17 game if it's played in a dome?
 

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Agreed. Swift did very well this year, but I think they could find someone else at a lower cost. I also think Swift may be losing a little next year.

Btw, is this a close game if they're playing in the domed stadium in AH? I am really not inclined to believe "Bear Weather" and all that, but is this like a 35 - 17 game if it's played in a dome?
What makes you think Swift will lose a little next year? He'll only be 27 next season and with Monangai having a great rookie year Swift won't have to take as much punishment.

So the Bears offense wouldn't have also benefited from the game being played in a dome, just the Rams?
 
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Agreed. Swift did very well this year, but I think they could find someone else at a lower cost. I also think Swift may be losing a little next year.

Btw, is this a close game if they're playing in the domed stadium in AH? I am really not inclined to believe "Bear Weather" and all that, but is this like a 35 - 17 game if it's played in a dome?
I am one that likes the RB room. I do agree at some point when RBs are in their 5/6 year in league you have to make decisions. You would rather be proactive than reactive. He is 27 FWIW, IMO he doesn't look like he is slowing down at all.
I think you had two good coaching staffs going toe to toe in this game. Hats off to Dennis Allen. Loveland being out in OT hurt. Rams were certainly keying on him throughout.
 

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I rather have Odunze than Moore. Where was Burden last night?
It doesn't matter cause Odunze isn't going anywhere and I highly doubt DJ is until after next year.
Burden had a quiet game...ya know the other team also has coaches that scheme against your team.
 
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Super early but T.J. Parker, EDGE Clemson, is a guy to keep any eye on for Bears. Also, expect a S in first 3/4 rounds.
 

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What makes you think Swift will lose a little next year? He'll only be 27 next season and with Monangai having a great rookie year Swift won't have to take as much punishment.

So the Bears offense wouldn't have also benefited from the game being played in a dome, just the Rams?
Just posed the question, is all. Solid point. I do think Swift will lose a little next year. I want the Bears to be proactive. If they could get a younger RB who can produce like Swift, then why not?
 

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Just posed the question, is all. Solid point. I do think Swift will lose a little next year. I want the Bears to be proactive. If they could get a younger RB who can produce like Swift, then why not?
Like I said he's only 27 so anyone younger is still likely on their rookie contract so teams would have no incentive to move them since they're so cheap.

Here's the list of free agent running backs this year, who are you taking that you feel is better than Swift?

 

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Like I said he's only 27 so anyone younger is still likely on their rookie contract so teams would have no incentive to move them since they're so cheap.

Here's the list of free agent running backs this year, who are you taking that you feel is better than Swift?

Bears have 7/8 picks this year, I believe. They found their rookie from RU in the last round. I think they could find someone there.
 

SiuCubFan8

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Bears have 7/8 picks this year, I believe. They found their rookie from RU in the last round. I think they could find someone there.
You know what you ahve in Swift and I think that is pretty darn solid. You want to go into next season with a rookie late RD pick and Monangai? I certainly do not. They might grab one in the late rounds if they see something they like but I think they go into season with Swift playing his role like this year.
 
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Well, the clock finally struck 12 on the Bears. Quite frankly, I was surprised they were even in that game when you think about how poorly and inconsistent Williams' play was. Matthew Stafford didn't give a Hall of Fame performance either. But, Stafford didn't turn the ball over once and neither did the rest of his team. And we all know Williams threw three picks.

But, with that said, the Bears had more first downs, more yards rushing, more yards passing, a better third down efficiency and more net yards. It came down to the turnovers, in my mind. Both teams had dropped passes. Which goes to show you all the yards, first downs, etc., do not mean a thing if you end up scoring fewer points.

And turnovers were the thing this weekend in 3 out of the 4 games, as they usually are. New England didn't play a landmark game. Drake Maye threw 1 int. and lost 2 fumbles. But, not to be outdone, C.J Stroud threw 4 INTs and Houston lost one fumble. Stroud was horrible.

Seattle pounded the 49ers. That was the one game where the TOs really didn't matter.

Then there was Buffalo at Denver. Josh Allen threw 2 INTs and lost 2 fumbles while Buffalo had 5 TOs. While Bo Nix threw 1 INT and Denver didn't fumble once. The Bills had more yards passing and rushing and lost. After the team's horrible play, the Bills organization rewarded HC Sean McDermott by firing him.

Moral of the story. Don't turn the damned ball over!!
 
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Well, the clock finally struck 12 on the Bears. Quite frankly, I was surprised they were even in that game when you think about how poorly and inconsistent Williams' play was. Matthew Stafford didn't give a Hall of Fame performance either. But, Stafford didn't turn the ball over once and neither did the rest of his team. And we all know Williams threw three picks.

But, with that said, the Bears had more first downs, more yards rushing, more yards passing, a better third down efficiency and more net yards. It came down to the turnovers, in my mind. Both teams had dropped passes. Which goes to show you all the yards, first downs, etc., do not mean a thing if you end up scoring fewer points.

And turnovers were the thing this weekend in 3 out of the 4 games, as they usually are. New England didn't play a landmark game. Drake Maye threw 1 int. and lost 2 fumbles. But, not to be outdone, C.J Stroud threw 4 INTs and Houston lost one fumble. Stroud was horrible.

Seattle pounded the 49ers. That was the one game where the TOs really didn't matter.

Then there was Buffalo at Denver. Josh Allen threw 2 INTs and lost 2 fumbles while Buffalo had 5 TOs. While Bo Nix threw 1 INT and Denver didn't fumble once. The Bills had more yards passing and rushing and lost. After the teams' horrible play, the Bills organization rewarded HC Sean McDermott by firing him.

Moral of the story. Don't turn the damned ball over!!
Bears D caused some havoc, fumble and two tipped passes that hung up in the air but ball didn't bounce their way....they had gotten a lot of good bounces throughout the year, bound to even out at some point.

The playoff INTs on 4th down suck but they also are a little different. He has to throw it up/force it if there isn't an obvious open guy.
The OT INT was obviously the killer, something was up with DJ/communication/etc as we all know.
 
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I am sure we can all agree the NFC West is, without question, the best division in the NFL. Three teams with 12 or more regular season wins and the top three records in the conference. The NFC West currently has a playoff record of 4-1. The 49ers were the only team to lose so far and they lost to another NFC West team, Seattle. The final playoff record for the NFC West will be 5-2 after next Sunday's game. Incredible.
 
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GMAN81

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Bears D caused some havoc, fumble and two tipped passes that hung up in the air but ball didn't bounce their way....they had gotten a lot of good bounces throughout the year, bound to even out at some point.

The playoff INTs on 4th down suck but they also are a little different. He has to throw it up/force it if there isn't an obvious open guy.
The OT INT was obviously the killer, something was up with DJ/communication/etc as we all know.
And you bring up another good point. I have always felt there are at least three things that a team needs to happen for them to win a championship.

1. They have to play well. You might get away with winning a game you didn't play that well in. But eventually it will catch up to you.

2. You have to play the same style you played all year to get you where you are. How many times do we see teams or coaches play aggressively during the season only to tighten up in post season? Or play differently in post season.

3. You need to get some breaks. A tipped ball, as you say. A ref missing a call. A field goal attempt that banks in instead of hitting the upright and coming back. You can't put a true value on that. But this is just as important as the other two things.