Beshear about to issue mask Mandate in schools?

[gobigbluebell]

It’s true. Simply the rules. Not saying I agree or disagree but it’s reality.

You’re 110% correct. Andy said exactly as much yesterday about quarantining.

I’m just fed up. I knew this junk was coming around again this fall, but I hoped after all the misinformation and year+ of bs, logical adults would step up and do the right thing. That doesn’t appear to be in the cards. We shall see...

I’m really fed up with the politicization of it all, and pitting Americans against each other. We have rights, we have freedoms. I’d like to think everyone can agree with that, but that’s not the case.

 

[Beatle Bum]

Some but not all voted for him, support him and patted themselves on the back when he won. I don't get why everyone thinks all teachers got together and voted the same way pulling off some kind of coup by getting Andy voted in. Kentucky has had a Democrat Governor 32 times compared to only 9 Republicans over the last 150 years. Were the results of all of those elections the teachers fault as well?

If people believe every teacher voted in some block, that would be nuts. It is a percentage game.

 

[CatsFanGG24]

Your local health department makes the quarantine rules. The CDC does as well. I don’t know if masks work or not. Neither do you. A bunch of people a lot smarter than both of us say they do though. Kids who go to school age 5-11 haven’t had the opportunity to be vaccinated. If me wearing a mask keeps them safer or keeps them from giving it to someone more vulnerable then I’ll wear the mask. I hate wearing them but I’ll do it.

As I said, people are making these decisions, not SARs2. It's not this way in other countries....likely not followed in many areas of the US.

I do know that masks do not work as in 100% prevention...therefore some rule allowing kids to remain in class if they wore one vs not is incredibly stupid, lacks any scientific basis and could be dangerous if you are truly worried about the spread of a virus.

The CDC and all the people you say are smarter than you or I believe that 42% of 0-17 year olds had contracted the virus as of 3/31/21. So a few points - that's pretty good protection in that population...it shows a very low risk to that population...it shows your masks, quarantines and school closures didn't slow them down from catching the virus...and lastly, the people making these decisions are doing so based on feelings and not their own stats, facts & science.

 

[pitinoshairplugs]

As I said, people are making these decisions, not SARs2. It's not this way in other countries....likely not followed in many areas of the US.

I do know that masks do not work as in 100% prevention...therefore some rule allowing kids to remain in class if they wore one vs not is incredibly stupid, lacks any scientific basis and could be dangerous if you are truly worried about the spread of a virus.

The CDC and all the people you say are smarter than you or I believe that 42% of 0-17 year olds had contracted the virus as of 3/31/21. So a few points - that's pretty good protection in that population...it shows a very low risk to that population...it shows your masks, quarantines and school closures didn't slow them down from catching the virus...and lastly, the people making these decisions are doing so based on feelings and not their own stats, facts & science.

That's interesting. Can you link the info that shows the %'s estimated on the # who had been infected you cited above?

 

[ukwildcat2004]

So is personal choice not a thing anymore? Or is it just applied to abortion?

I am absolutely refusing to go back to the lockdowns and make mandates. I got the stupid vaccine for a reason. Let me live my life and decide what's best for me and my family.

 

[LowerLevelSeatA]

No you can’t. If you have a classroom of 30 students unmasked and one comes down with Covid the ENTIRE class would be quarantined. School can’t stay open without masks the way quarantined work.

Not true. It varied school to school , county to county. Some do contact tracing so the only kids who quarantine are those that were within 6 feet for more than 15 min of infected kid. Other schools quarantined entire class. In Fayette County it was Wild West, each school did their own thing.

 

[Catsfan123456]

You’re 110% correct. Andy said exactly as much yesterday about quarantining.

I’m just fed up. I knew this junk was coming around again this fall, but I hoped after all the misinformation and year+ of bs, logical adults would step up and do the right thing. That doesn’t appear to be in the cards. We shall see...

I’m really fed up with the politicization of it all, and pitting Americans against each other. We have rights, we have freedoms. I’d like to think everyone can agree with that, but that’s not the case.

I agree a lot of it is purely politics. It’s at the national, state, and local levels. Superintendents know that the only way to keep kids in schools based on current quarantine rules is for everyone to mask. They know this. They all got ahead of the Governor and Commissioner of education and released their plans to reopen saying no masks will be required. They know this can’t happen and stay open. They simply want the Governor and Commissioner to be the bad guys. Now Superintendents can claim they don’t want to require masks but are being forced. Once again politics.

 

[CatsFanGG24]

That's interesting. Can you link the info that shows the %'s estimated on the # who had been infected you cited above?

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burden.html

42% of 5-17 to correct my earlier post. 0-4 was 23%

 

[Catsfan123456]

Not true. It varied school to school , county to county. Some do contact tracing so the only kids who quarantine are those that were within 6 feet for more than 15 min of infected kid. Other schools quarantined entire class. In Fayette County it was Wild West, each school did their own thing.

Your right but that’s when masks were required. Different ballgame if you have all kids unmasked in a classroom. All will quarantine.

 

[Bill Derington]

Quarantining in your work setting may be over. It’s not over in schools. 30 kids in a classroom for an hour at a time combined with a much more contagious variant equals mass quarantines. Not saying I agree but it’s simply reality.

They aren't going to make you quarantine if a person tests positive. They make the person stay home, not everyone else.
If they go the mass quarantine route again, get ready for the Country to be shutdown. A mask won't stop it.

 

[Cawood86_rivals]

I agree a lot of it is purely politics. It’s at the national, state, and local levels. Superintendents know that the only way to keep kids in schools based on current quarantine rules is for everyone to mask. They know this. They all got ahead of the Governor and Commissioner of education and released their plans to reopen saying no masks will be required. They know this can’t happen and stay open. They simply want the Governor and Commissioner to be the bad guys. Now Superintendents can claim they don’t want to require masks but are being forced. Once again politics.

I don't know what world you live in or where you get your info....fantasy island I guess.

 

[LowerLevelSeatA]

Your right but that’s when masks were required. Different ballgame if you have all kids unmasked in a classroom. All will quarantine.

True, quarantine rules may vary with all masked/all unmasked but I feel (would have to research) that studies have shown kids aren’t the superspreaders people make them out to be. I know people claim delta is different but what about the one after that 6 months from now. If you are ok with masking now, I think you need to ask yourself if you are ok with a kid wearing a mask for the next 3-5 years..I could seriously see that happening. Are you ok with that? It’s a slippery slope.

 

[Catsfan123456]

True, quarantine rules may vary with all masked/all unmasked but I feel (would have to research) that studies have shown kids aren’t the superspreaders people make them out to be. I know people claim delta is different but what about the one after that 6 months from now. If you are ok with masking now, I think you need to ask yourself if you are ok with a kid wearing a mask for the next 3-5 years..I could seriously see that happening. Are you ok with that? It’s a slippery slope.

I hate wearing a mask. I have family in the medical profession. They wear masks each and every shift. If it saves lives I really don’t mind to do it. Kids can handle it. It sucks but they can do it.

 

[KYExtemper]

They aren't going to make you quarantine if a person tests positive. They make the person stay home, not everyone else.
If they go the mass quarantine route again, get ready for the Country to be shutdown. A mask won't stop it.

Not true if last year's quarantine guidance stays in effect and I'm unaware of CDC altering it. Teachers and students who are vaccinated wouldn't quarantine but everyone else might have to in an unmasked setting. If a kid has an teacher without the vaccine and that person quarantines that's a problem, especially if schools lack enough subs, a problem that will be just as acute this year as last school year.

 

[Catsfan123456]

I don't know what world you live in or where you get your info....fantasy island I guess.

Sorry bubby. It’s the truth. All involved know masks are what will keep schools open but nobody wants to be the bad guy and get hurt re-election time. Not school board members, not superintendents, not the commissioner of education, and not the Governor.

 

[Catsfan123456]

They aren't going to make you quarantine if a person tests positive. They make the person stay home, not everyone else.
If they go the mass quarantine route again, get ready for the Country to be shutdown. A mask won't stop it.

Pretty simple. Quarantine rules state if someone gets covid and those around them are masked they don’t have to quarantine. If you aren’t masked and are around a positive case everyone quarantines. Come on man. A classroom of 30 unmasked kids equals a whole class of quarantines.

 

[Bill Derington]

Not true if last year's quarantine guidance stays in effect and I'm unaware of CDC altering it. Teachers and students who are vaccinated wouldn't quarantine but everyone else might have to in an unmasked setting. If a kid has an teacher without the vaccine and that person quarantines that's a problem, especially if schools lack enough subs, a problem that will be just as acute this year as last school year.

The problem shouldn't be just as acute as last year, we have the vaccine. We've been going on several months where people that are in contact with someone that tests positive don't also quarantine.

Also, unless a teacher or student shows symptoms there is absolutely no reason to test them, that is different than last year.

 

[Bigblue2023]

I hate wearing a mask. I have family in the medical profession. They wear masks each and every shift. If it saves lives I really don’t mind to do it. Kids can handle it. It sucks but they can do it.

Zero critical thought. Comparing medical professionals at work to children in school is an apples to cheeseburgers comparison. Kids wearing masks has saved exactly zero lives. I really hope you can develop some level of independent thought and intelligence one day.

 

[Catsfan123456]

The problem shouldn't be just as acute as last year, we have the vaccine. We've been going on several months where people that are in contact with someone that tests positive don't also quarantine.

Also, unless a teacher or student shows symptoms there is absolutely no reason to test them, that is different than last year.

If people will take the vaccine I agree. In my county the rate is roughly 30%. I disagree. This year isn’t a bit different than last. New strain is just as strong but much more contagious the experts say. I don’t like all of this anymore than the next person.

 

[Bill Derington]

If people will take the vaccine I agree. In my county the rate is roughly 30%. I disagree. This year isn’t a bit different than last. New strain is just as strong but much more contagious the experts say. I don’t like all of this anymore than the next person.

The new strain isn't "as strong". You don't think 30% vaccinated, and numerous people already immune from prior infection different from last year. What County

 

[Catsfan123456]

The new strain isn't "as strong". You don't think 30% vaccinated, and numerous people already immune from prior infection different from last year. What County

First of all it is as strong. Second of all you must not watch the news. Medical experts have said recently those who were infected months ago have no immunity to the current strand.

 

[LowerLevelSeatA]

I hate wearing a mask. I have family in the medical profession. They wear masks each and every shift. If it saves lives I really don’t mind to do it. Kids can handle it. It sucks but they can do it.

Sure they can “handle it”…doesn’t make it right. Would you let your kids lick the desk and floor at the school? I’m guessing many young elementary age kids have laid their mask on a desk or dropped it in the floor (where Covid and other germs could be) then put that same mask back on over their mouth. They can “handle” licking the floors and desk…they would probably laugh and all do it together if you asked, but would you do that?

 

[pitinoshairplugs]

Again, just look at england. If the old, sick and at risk will get the vaccine you can stay open and not mask in a surge.

Areas with very low vaccination rates are going to see an increase in hospitalizations. Missouri is an example. England had their second largest surge with very small changes in hospitalizations and deaths.

Get the shot, keep your masks off and things will be normal by Mid-september/October. We will have reached herd immunity.

 

[CatsFanGG24]

First of all it is as strong. Second of all you must not watch the news. Medical experts have said recently those who were infected months ago have no immunity to the current strand.

Misinformation flag here.

A definite “it is as strong” and “0 immunity” from prior infection. Whoa

So all the diagnostic testing, antibody testing, antibody treatments and vaccines created based off the OG version still work on delta (most at a high level) - but an infection from a couple months ago offers no protection at all? People who had SARS1 from 17 years ago had some protection from Sars2 - but no, not people who had OG or alpha vs the delta variant?

There will be reinfection and breakthrough cases…but vaccinated and naturally acquired immunity so still have immunities and protection against delta. They should be less severe than a first encounter without vaccine or infection, much more often than not.

England’s PHE on variants of concerns most recent reporting had alpha at 1.1% CFR and delta at 0.2%. They have it slightly more contagious than alpha, which was much more contagious than the original. Still dangerous, very contagious but the data leans towards less deadly.

 

[Bigblue2023]

First of all it is as strong. Second of all you must not watch the news. Medical experts have said recently those who were infected months ago have no immunity to the current strand.

Blatantly false

 

[Cawood86_rivals]

Sorry bubby. It’s the truth. All involved know masks are what will keep schools open but nobody wants to be the bad guy and get hurt re-election time. Not school board members, not superintendents, not the commissioner of education, and not the Governor.

What masks? The ones people are making at home from fabric? The ones with open areas on each side? The ones that have no real carbon filters? Which masks there skippy?

You've been full on indoctrinated to believe this insanity. SO players can play on the field or court and engage each other, but need masks on afterwards.

Some people are so willingly ignorant to things it's no wonder these politicians laugh and don't even follow their own rules.

 

[John Henry]

Putting "face masks" on children may be the stupidest stunt ever pulled by a politician. Just think for a minute how unsanitary they are. Snoot, filth, dust, dirt all mixed into the pores of the fabric. And how many 1st, 2nd or 3rd graders are going to wear a mask as it is designed to be worn. No normal kid will. A teacher will spend most of their day correcting children on how to wear a mask and yelling at them to put it on and off of their sweaty necks.

What a country. I am so glad we do not have to worry about that around here.

 

[Cawood86_rivals]

First of all it is as strong. Second of all you must not watch the news. Medical experts have said recently those who were infected months ago have no immunity to the current strand.

Which "news" do you watch? This is all just another round of control and fear. Keep drinking the kool aid though. Keep thinking that homemade mask will protect you. They had people wearing masks to get into a restaurant, then take them off as soon as they were seated. Good grief, what insanity.

 

[BigBlueDave_rivals76951]

It's really impressive how they ginned this up again over cases.


March 10,2021 Texas Governor Neanderthal Abbott rescinds statewide restrictions including mask mandates.

March 29, 2021 Other states follow and these statements appear:

Impending Doom

"We're in the life and death race with a virus that is spreading quickly, with cases rising again," Biden said at the White House on Monday afternoon. "New variants are spreading and sadly some of the reckless behavior we've seen on television over the past few weeks means more cases are to come in the weeks ahead."

"We're giving up hard-fought, hard-won gains. And as much as we're doing, America, it's time to do even more," he added.

https://www.npr.org/sections/corona...fears-impending-doom-if-u-s-opens-too-quickly

No states backtrack, Neanderthals didn't die, and we have the July 4th that Joe promised coming up.


May 13, 2021 "We have all longed for this moment," Walensky said of the return to normalcy. "If you are fully vaccinated, you can start doing the things that you had stopped doing because of the pandemic.

That's quite the turnaround for teary eyed Walensky.

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/05/cdc-no-masks-needed-covid-vaccinated-americans

Just like that, we were free.


July 4 comes and goes and the mantra starts again and here we are less than a month later. If Joe hadn't said anything about the 4th, they would have never let up.




Deaths have completely uncoupled from cases. Even with the rise in cases in southern Missouri, no increase in death. How can these unvaxxed Neanderthals escape certain death? You are not allowed to get sick.

 

[bigsmoothie]

Wife teaches kindergarten. It took her 1 day to get her kids to wear masks. Her room had its own bathroom so hand washing was easy. She had zero problems. You people underestimate kids.

 

[bigsmoothie]

E The irony of teachers helping get this joke of a Governor elected is some of the sweetest irony ever.

Beshear won by what, 5k votes. Did Cameron win by 200-300K? Many people besides teachers voted for Beshear

 

[JStaff21]

It's really impressive how they ginned this up again over cases.

When death numbers were scary, they used death. Once the death numbers dropped off, they pulled the bait and switch and have been going by it ever since.

If we always went by cases when it comes to diseases, we’d be wearing bubble boy suits at this point.

 

[bushrod1965]

Beshear won by what, 5k votes. Did Cameron win by 200-300K? Many people besides teachers voted for Beshear

Exactly. Every other down ballot Republican candidate won easily. I’m sure teachers DID vote heavily for Beshear but teachers didn’t “beat” Bevin. Bevin (Trump Lite) took care of that himself.

 

[tWildcat]

Let’s just say even with the mask mandate most of the teachers I know(which is a lot) never had their kids wear them when they were in the classroom.

The “safety measures” that were put in place by the state and schools lasted at most two weeks before everyone just stopped and went back to normal. They spent money on these “desk shields” and I’d say 90% were in a pile at the back corner of each room within a week.

Can’t speak for every area but ours didn’t experience a spike because of this.

 

[LowerLevelSeatA]

Catsfan and Ed -
2 questions for you:

1) How low do cases need to be for you to feel it’s ok to remove masks in schools?
2) How low do deaths from Covid have to be for you to feel it’s ok to remove masks in schools?

I am honestly curious, trying to understand your thoughts.

 

[Catsfan123456]

Which "news" do you watch? This is all just another round of control and fear. Keep drinking the kool aid though. Keep thinking that homemade mask will protect you. They had people wearing masks to get into a restaurant, then take them off as soon as they were seated. Good grief, what insanity.

I watch and read various entities. Man I don’t like masks. I’m not even sure they work. On the other hand you don’t know they don’t work. The restaurant deal you mentioned is ignorant. I agree.

 

[Catsfan123456]

What masks? The ones people are making at home from fabric? The ones with open areas on each side? The ones that have no real carbon filters? Which masks there skippy?

You've been full on indoctrinated to believe this insanity. SO players can play on the field or court and engage each other, but need masks on afterwards.

Some people are so willingly ignorant to things it's no wonder these politicians laugh and don't even follow their own rules.

It’s the rules. I’m not sure if masks are effective and you have no idea if they aren’t. I don’t like them. I’ll do it to keep people safe in case they do work.

 

[Catsfan123456]

Blatantly false

No it’s true.

 

[JStaff21]

Let’s just say even with the mask mandate most of the teachers I know(which is a lot) never had their kids wear them when they were in the classroom.

The “safety measures” that were put in place by the state and schools lasted at most two weeks before everyone just stopped and went back to normal. They spent money on these “desk shields” and I’d say 90% were in a pile at the back corner of each room within a week.

Can’t speak for every area but ours didn’t experience a spike because of this.

The district I work in was just the opposite. Kids had masks on all day, except for 25 minutes at lunch and at recess. Some teachers went into a panic mode if a kid forgot to put their mask back on or had it under their nose.

It always bothered me because at lunch, they sat 1 seat apart but were in each other’s faces. No one cared for that 25 minutes... but other than recess (which also resulted in kids in each other’s faces) the rest of the day was 6 feet apart and masks on at all times no matter what.

 

[tWildcat]

The district I work in was just the opposite. Kids had masks on all day, except for 25 minutes at lunch and at recess. Some teachers went into a panic mode if a kid forgot to put their mask back on or had it under their nose.

It always bothered me because at lunch, they say 1 seat apart but were in each other’s faces. No one cared for that 25 minutes... but other than recess (which also resulted in kids in each other’s faces) the rest of the day was 6 feet apart and masks on at all times no matter what.

That stinks, our school had the same lunch rule which seemed ridiculous with how much time they spent throughout the day in eachothers faces as you said.