BIG 12 splitting into two 7 team divisions by '23
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Here's the link, don't know why it didn't post before:
A few things people have been talking about that make lots of sense:
Put OU and UT in the SAME division so that if either or both have good seasons they won't be competing for the B12 CCG against one another and then both leave. That would be a bad precedent going into tv negotiations in 2024.
Make sure there is a balance of Texas schools--i.e. Texas Tech and Houston in one and TCU and Baylor in the other for after the two departees are gone.
Also makes sense from my perspective to not have BYU and UCF or WVU in the same division.
Put OU and UT in the SAME division so that if either or both have good seasons they won't be competing for the B12 CCG against one another and then both leave. That would be a bad precedent going into tv negotiations in 2024.
Make sure there is a balance of Texas schools--i.e. Texas Tech and Houston in one and TCU and Baylor in the other for after the two departees are gone.
Also makes sense from my perspective to not have BYU and UCF or WVU in the same division.
I say put Texas with Houston and make the first meeting in Houston. Let them “stoop down” off their high horse before leaving. Also put Oklahoma on the road with UCF or UC.
If you have 1 crossover rival for example, then it doesn't matter if Cincinnati is in WVU's division or not, you could make them a guaranteed matchup yearly. Guess it depends on if WVU wants Cincy as an annual game--may not make that much difference in football but probably good for fans for a relatively close trip in conference.
I read this yesterday and scrolled until I seen WVU and Cincy in different divisions and I was out.
WVU, Cincy, UCF, TCU, OK st and Texas Tech
Houston, Baylor, KU, KST, BYU, Iowa st.
Simple
What was posted in the article isn't where the divisions will necessarily be, but just a suggestion by the writer.
To me it should be:
WVU
Cincy
UCF
Baylor
Houston
Kansas
Texas
OK State
TCU
ISU
BYU
KSU
Texas Tech
OU
Don't need a link clown. It is a known fact they are in negotiations for a price to leave before 2023 season begins
Learn to read *** clown.
The Big 12 is operating under the assumption that both the Longhorns and Sooners will stay in the league four more years.
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You've stated something is a "known fact" asshat. That means you should EASILY and SIMPLY be able to provide a link to this "known fact".
If you can't, much like everything else you falsely claim, YOU ARE LYING AND MADE IT UP.
If you could read you'd read that the BIG 12 expects the Longhorns and Sooners to be in the league until the contracts are up, not that those two are in negotiations to leave as you baselessly claim. Again, if you have EVIDENCE to the contrary list it or otherwise stop spreading misinformation. Its pretty simple.
Learn to read *** hat.
They can expect all they want doesn't mean it will happen. There is also no guarantee that UCF, BYU, UC and Houston enter in 2023.
Thread derailer and trollAllen:
"I know for a FACT that Texas and OU are leaving the BIG 12 before these divisions are created"--then proceeds to troll attack anyone who discusses reality.
Question---"Where is your link to your claim?"
Thread derailer and trollAllen:
"I um, uh, err, golly gee, I don't have anything to back up my FALSE claim that I made up, so let me try to spin and toss childish attacks to make it seem like I'm not a complete douchebag dumbass with no intelligence"
Back in reality the BIG 12 conference expects that OU and UT will be in the conference when these changes are made and are proceeding forward with that expectation. The only thing that actually matters here.
"I know for a FACT that Texas and OU are leaving the BIG 12 before these divisions are created"--then proceeds to troll attack anyone who discusses reality.
Question---"Where is your link to your claim?"
Thread derailer and trollAllen:
"I um, uh, err, golly gee, I don't have anything to back up my FALSE claim that I made up, so let me try to spin and toss childish attacks to make it seem like I'm not a complete douchebag dumbass with no intelligence"
Back in reality the BIG 12 conference expects that OU and UT will be in the conference when these changes are made and are proceeding forward with that expectation. The only thing that actually matters here.
Apparently you're scared to confront me with it as you didn't quote me. Move along with with your dumbass self.
You're smarter when you log on as rootmaster you tool *****.
Biden is worst president all time. Suck on that and not your thumb.
The Fact is they are under negotiations. Pleas learn to follow simple sentence structure dumbass.
What part of under the assumption don't you understand? Under the assumption does not guarantee they will be in the conference.
The other thing that matters is when people laugh at 14 when #1 & #2 sing for joy as they flee from loser conference.
Highlights From The Conversation
Further sories from 2021
Bowlsby and the Big 12 hold the contractual leverage and they know it. They can and will make it difficult for OU and Texas to leave. That’s how they’ll get paid.
But that’s how it will end, and likely in 2022. As the new schools get invited to the dance and a plan for the future of the Big 12 comes into view, negotiations will start in earnest for OU and Texas to part ways with the Big 12.
So dweeb continue with your ******** and ignore the obvious. Your crap might work on 247 but not here.
What part of under the assumption don't you understand? Under the assumption does not guarantee they will be in the conference.
The other thing that matters is when people laugh at 14 when #1 & #2 sing for joy as they flee from loser conference.
Highlights From The Conversation
- Regardless if Oklahoma and Texas fulfill required time in the Big 12 through the end of the Grant of Rights in 2025, the two universities will still be required pay exit fees of $80 million each
- The Grant of Rights is a separate entity financially outside of the exit fees as part of being in the Big 12.
- Though the Big 12’s hope is that Oklahoma and Texas would leave the league by the summer of 2023, the two depating universities have yet to file the 27-month exit timeline to begin process of leaving to join SEC.
- The $80 million per university in exit fees can still be negotiated, but as of this time it is not being negotiated.
- If there are any delays or fighting of exit fees from Texas or Oklahoma, Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby has right to add additional fees on top of the original fees. It’s believed that there will be additional penalties added.
- There are three processes that can be utilized to settle on the Grant of Rights: The Big 12 can sell the GOR back to Oklahoma and Texas, retain the GOR or let the two universities walk to the SEC.
- If the Big 12 elects to retain the GOR and Oklahoma and Texas make the move to the SEC, all money accumulated in television revenue by the two universities would be distributed to the Big 12.
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If Oklahoma and Texas make the departure of the Big 12 ugly and drags out legally, the $80 million exit will be a minor part of what will eventually be paid by the two universities.
Further sories from 2021
Bowlsby and the Big 12 hold the contractual leverage and they know it. They can and will make it difficult for OU and Texas to leave. That’s how they’ll get paid.
But that’s how it will end, and likely in 2022. As the new schools get invited to the dance and a plan for the future of the Big 12 comes into view, negotiations will start in earnest for OU and Texas to part ways with the Big 12.
So dweeb continue with your ******** and ignore the obvious. Your crap might work on 247 but not here.
BIG 12 is working on multiple sports at the same time in terms of alignments:
"We've got subcommittees in several sports that are talking about structure," commissioner Bob Bowlsby told Dodd. "Conference office, staff, ADs, sports administrators and coaches involved on a sport-by-sport basis, they're all doing the same thing."
"We've got subcommittees in several sports that are talking about structure," commissioner Bob Bowlsby told Dodd. "Conference office, staff, ADs, sports administrators and coaches involved on a sport-by-sport basis, they're all doing the same thing."
Also encouraging news from Football Scoop:
"In the final 2021 rankings, the Big 12 3.0 boasted No. 4 Cincinnati, No. 5 Baylor, No. 7 Oklahoma State, No. 17 Houston, and No. 19 BYU, a showing bested only by the SEC and the Big Ten. Texas Tech and K-State both whipped SEC teams in their bowl games; and Iowa State and UCF aren't far removed from New Year's Six wins. Oh, and Kansas beat Texas. "
"In the final 2021 rankings, the Big 12 3.0 boasted No. 4 Cincinnati, No. 5 Baylor, No. 7 Oklahoma State, No. 17 Houston, and No. 19 BYU, a showing bested only by the SEC and the Big Ten. Texas Tech and K-State both whipped SEC teams in their bowl games; and Iowa State and UCF aren't far removed from New Year's Six wins. Oh, and Kansas beat Texas. "
I don’t think they would split up Kansas and Kansas St. Maybe switch Baylor for KSU?
Cincinnati, Houston and BYU not in Big 12 in 2021.
I laugh at your comical postings.
None of those teams played a power 5 schedule. Cincinnati would probably be the only team to finish in the top 25 if they did
Guess we won't know til we do. I think they will likely have one crossover game. The other conferences have done that to some extent so that schools could play each year.
To me it doesn't make sense for ISU to play UCF anymore than it makes sense for WVU to play BYU every year. But the schools may feel differently about that. So I'd put Kansas over to the east rather than ISU. Who knows, could be north and south anyway and not matter.
Power 5, etc. is largely a bunch of bunk. I watched several bowls and saw UCF beat Florida and Houston beat Auburn when its not supposed to be possible.
Cincinnati, Houston, UCF and BYU have all held their own when able to play "p5" competition.
Cincinnati-- over the last 4 years beat: Indiana, #8 Notre Dame, UCLA (2 X), Boston College, Virginia Tech. Lost by 3 to Georgia (2020).
UCF --over the last 4 years beat: Florida, Boise(G5 but very good), Georgia Tech, Stanford, Pitt
BYU-- over the last 4 years beat: USC (2X), Virginia, Washington State, Arizona State, Utah, Arizona (2x), Boise(G5 but very good), Tennessee, Wisconsin.
Houston-- over the last 4 years beat: Auburn and Arizona
These are sound teams in any league. Plus its not like the upper half of the AAC wasn't extremely competitive year in and out, they just didn't get the golden network ticket like other schools did.
Add in most of the R8 BIG 12 and you've got a very sound league, you just don't have that historical "name" regardless of actual like record that the media likes (Texas or Florida or Auburn or USC or FSU or Michigan or PSU, for examples). Football /basketball extremely good still. After a few years someone like Baylor or Ok State, maybe a Cincinnati or UCF is going to break out into that "elite" playoff level--really have already been there a few years but weren't allowed in.
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Crossover games would be pretty cool. I know there isn’t much left out there, but Big 12 could use 14 to 16 teams when OU and TU leaves. I still think the pivotal team is USC. We hear ND a lot and ND to ACC could open up for WVU and etc…, etc…
USC to Big would dismantle the Pac12. The alliance (AKA Pac12 begging everyone not to poach their teams) is a band aid on a shotgun wound.
Cincinnati so called Bucky Big wins
UCLA 3-9; 4-8
VT 6-7
Boston College 6-7
Indiana 2-10
Notre Dame 11-2 (their best win in the bucky 4 year time frame)
UCF so called Bucky Big wins
Stanford 4-8
Ga. Tech 3-7
Florida 6-7 (played their 4th string QB in Bowl game nearly entire team opted out)
Boise 7-5 (very good my ***.)
Pitt 7-7
BYU so called Bucky Big wins (BYU basically plays a P5 schedule. Best get for Big 12)
Arizona 5-7; 1-11
Wisconsin 8-5
Tennessee 8-5
Utah 10-4
ASU 8-5
Washington State 7-6
UVA 6-6
USC 8-5; 4-8
Boise 12-2
Houston so called Bucky Big wins
Arizona 5-7
Auburn 6-7 (lot of players opted out) still had trouble winning 17-13
Bucky forgot to mention Houston lost to Army 70-14 in 2018 You know the same Army team WVU beat in 2020 that bucky said sucked.
BYU by far the best team invited to Big 12 due to playing majority of P5 teams.
BYU usually plays the most P5 schools every season as the other 3 might play 1. But then BYU turns around and loses to a Western Michigan, Hawaii or UAB in a bowl game.
Yes like the crossover aspect too.
The BIG 12 left open that they could expand more once the defectors leave- guessing it will depend on tv negotiations and whats needed to get the best deal.
Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby said further expansion is still a possibility.
"We're always going to be open to new opportunities as they present themselves," Bowlsby said, per ESPN. "We're living in a very fast-changing athletic environment, and we will be at 14 for a while, we will drop back to 12, and as there are targets of opportunity or as there are situations that dictate that we change composition, we'll be prepared to do those things."
"We're always going to be open to new opportunities as they present themselves," Bowlsby said, per ESPN. "We're living in a very fast-changing athletic environment, and we will be at 14 for a while, we will drop back to 12, and as there are targets of opportunity or as there are situations that dictate that we change composition, we'll be prepared to do those things."
I figure UT and OU gone in a year also.
But I'd love to see 1 season of overlap.
Texas road games at Houston & BYU.
Oklahoma traveling to Cincy & UCF.
Money is the issue preventing the defectors from leaving the BIG 12 prior to the completion of the grants of rights agreements they signed and the end of the current BIG 12 contracts which would also end buyout fees for departing the conference.
They will both owe many tens of millions of dollars if they were to depart early. The BIG 12 would continue to own their rights through 2025 also.
They haven't apparently offered up any pay to depart early, so there isn't any real expectation than they will try to leave at this point. There are probably some that WANT them to leave early, that want the BIG 12 to waive fees etc. but none of that is going to happen without full pay --and it doesn't appear either school wants to dole out the necessary monies to make that happen.
On the BIG 12 side, if the defectors left early that would likely trigger a renegotiation (maybe reduction) of their current deals, whereas (like the playoff situation) if they wait til the end it will go up for bid. So can't see the leaders there choosing to do anything unless they were made an offer they couldn't refuse and that hasn't happened either, so there wouldn't seem to be any incentive for the BIG 12 to let someone "off the hook"--not happening.
They will both owe many tens of millions of dollars if they were to depart early. The BIG 12 would continue to own their rights through 2025 also.
They haven't apparently offered up any pay to depart early, so there isn't any real expectation than they will try to leave at this point. There are probably some that WANT them to leave early, that want the BIG 12 to waive fees etc. but none of that is going to happen without full pay --and it doesn't appear either school wants to dole out the necessary monies to make that happen.
On the BIG 12 side, if the defectors left early that would likely trigger a renegotiation (maybe reduction) of their current deals, whereas (like the playoff situation) if they wait til the end it will go up for bid. So can't see the leaders there choosing to do anything unless they were made an offer they couldn't refuse and that hasn't happened either, so there wouldn't seem to be any incentive for the BIG 12 to let someone "off the hook"--not happening.
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Glad they didn't play Kneel Clown's version of the Mountaineers. Their record would include another win over another mediocre P5 team. Lol. P5 caliber outside of the SEC is a joke.
"P5 caliber outside of the SEC is a joke."
Gotta love these uninformed type declarative statements.
Meanwhile back in reality:
Kansas State 42 LSU 20
Baylor 21 Ole Miss 7
Texas Tech 34 Mississippi State 7
Houston 17 Auburn 13
UCF 29 Florida 17
Only down result for the upcoming BIG 12 of course was Alabama 27 Cincinnati 6 in the playoff--but Cincy will be able to start recruiting at a higher level now and Alabama tends to do that to the Clemsons and Ohio States from time to time as well so...
Gotta love these uninformed type declarative statements.
Meanwhile back in reality:
Kansas State 42 LSU 20
Baylor 21 Ole Miss 7
Texas Tech 34 Mississippi State 7
Houston 17 Auburn 13
UCF 29 Florida 17
Only down result for the upcoming BIG 12 of course was Alabama 27 Cincinnati 6 in the playoff--but Cincy will be able to start recruiting at a higher level now and Alabama tends to do that to the Clemsons and Ohio States from time to time as well so...
Cincinnati embarrassed by Alabama
Florida 6-7 (played their 4th string QB in Bowl game nearly entire team opted out)
Auburn 6-7 (entire team of players opted out) still had trouble winning 17-13
LSU 6-7 players opted out coaching change in progress
Mississippi State 7-6
Baylor only team to actually beat somebody. The 10-3 Ole Miss team that finished 3rd in SEC.
Houston not in Big 12
UCF not in Big 12
Cincinnati not in Big 12
Bucky bitches about WVU beating 6-7 teams yet it's good that others did it.
You can't have it both ways. Even though we all know you go both ways.
I say wait until the blue bloods form the new ESPN semi-pro conference that will take a few PAC 12 and ACC schools, spit out the low renters (SEC and Big 10) and see where the rest of us fall.
By the time the BIG 12 is going into negotiations the B10 and PAC will have concluded their negotiations for new deals. The BIG 12 will know by then if more P5 schools are moving which could either mean necessary expansion/additions or new opportunities for expansion not available today.