Big 12 vs ACC/B1G

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Even after 88 years on Earth, CFE hasn't learned that NINE IS MORE THAN SEVEN and no matter how many times that he pukes out his favorite lie that it isn't he's wrong, and always will be wrong.
 
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WHY DO YOU WORK SO HARD TO MAKE YOURSELF LOOK SO FOOLISH?

NO MATTER WHO WINS DOESN'T MAKE THAT TEAM'S CONFERENCE THE BEST CONFERENCE, TOP TO BOTTOM. CAN'T YOU READ WHAT I WROTE? IT MEANS THAT THE TEAM THAT WON IS #1 IN AMERICA. AND THAT THE TEAMS IN THAT CONFERENCE HAD TO PLAY THE #1 TEAM. BUT THE BIG 12 STILL IS THE DEEPEST .... REPEAT, DEEPEST CONFERENCE ... REGARDLESS OF THE OUTCOME OF THE FINAL FOUR AND TITLE GAMES. THAT ONLY REFERS TO THE TEAM AT THE TOP. IF GONZAGA WINS, WHICH IS MOST LIKELY, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THE WEST COAST STILL IS THE STRONGEST CONFERENCE IN AMERICA AND YOU KNOW THAT. IF BAYLOR WINS OR LOSES, THE BIG 12 IS THE DEEPEST CONFERENCE IN AMERICA IN STRENGTH. AND HAS THE ONLY TEAM IN AMERICA THAT GAVE BOTH GONZAGA AND BAYLOR A ROUGH TIME, LOSING TO GONZAGA BY 5 AFTER LEADING WITH 6 MINUTES LEFT AND GOING INTO OVERTIME BEFORE LOSING TO BAYLOR. YOUR AMNESIA DOESN'T CHANGE ANY OF THESE FACTS. STOP MAKING YOURSELF THE LAUGHINGSTOCK OF OTHER POSTERS!

Can you not remember what you wrote? YOU asserted that because one conference has a Final Four team and the other does not, it clearly makes one more superior than the other. I give credit that you actually try to provide more reasoning here as to why the Big 12 is better, albeit only after being called out. That said, this whole argument started because you did selectively use one single comparison to back your argument that you would never use in another context. How am I the laughing stock when in this very post you refute the exact logic you used to claim Baylor in the Final Four makes the Big 12 the clear winner over the Big 10 without any Final 4 teams despite everything else being pretty close to equal between the 2? I actually think the Big 12 is the better conference and definitely the better set-up where every team plays every other team equally. This does not allow one tournament team within a conference to have faced more or less tournament worthy conference foes that another. The difference is, I don't like blatant fallacies being used even if it is being used to support a conclusion I agree with because it does diminish the overall position.
 
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Can you not remember what you wrote? YOU asserted that because one conference has a Final Four team and the other does not, it clearly makes one more superior than the other. I give credit that you actually try to provide more reasoning here as to why the Big 12 is better, albeit only after being called out. That said, this whole argument started because you did selectively use one single comparison to back your argument that you would never use in another context. How am I the laughing stock when in this very post you refute the exact logic you used to claim Baylor in the Final Four makes the Big 12 the clear winner over the Big 10 without any Final 4 teams despite everything else being pretty close to equal between the 2? I actually think the Big 12 is the better conference and definitely the better set-up where every team plays every other team equally. This does not allow one tournament team within a conference to have faced more or less tournament worthy conference foes that another. The difference is, I don't like blatant fallacies being used even if it is being used to support a conclusion I agree with because it does diminish the overall position.

OK, HERE'S VERBATIM WHAT I POST (I SAVE POSTS IN CASE ANYONE CALLS ME A LIAR):

National rankings of survivors:
#3 Baylor, #4 Michigan, #8 Iowa, #11/#12 Kansas, #27/#32 Oklahoma, #37/#41 Maryland
Average national ranking of Big 12 survivors: 16.3
Average national ranking of Big 10 survivors: 17.0
Slight advantage to Big 12 at the top. As I said for months, the two conferences are pretty even at the top, but Big 12 has better depth.
Average loss by Big 12 teams: 4 points (4 losses by combined 16 points).
Average loss by Big 10 teams: 7.8 points (6 losses by combined 47 points, including all 3 overtime games).
Confirming my contention for months that Big 12 is better as you go down the list of teams. So I stand by that stance and the March Madness numbers support it.
76% of Big 10 teams in March Madness lost and 57% of Big 12 teams lost.
Again, as I’ve said for months, and the March Madness numbers support my conclusion: Big 12 and Big 10 are pretty even at the top, with Big 12 slightly ahead, and Big 12 is much better in depth, with 57% loss to 76% loss for Big 10.
Is Sweet Sixteen so far: Baylor of Big 12 and no Big 10 team yet.

Now where it say what you claim?

"YOU asserted that because one conference has a Final Four team and the other does not, it clearly makes one more superior than the other. "

DID YOU HAVE A READING COMPREHENSION PROBLEM IN SCHOOL, TOO?
 
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OK, HERE'S VERBATIM WHAT I POST (I SAVE POSTS IN CASE ANYONE CALLS ME A LIAR):

National rankings of survivors:
#3 Baylor, #4 Michigan, #8 Iowa, #11/#12 Kansas, #27/#32 Oklahoma, #37/#41 Maryland
Average national ranking of Big 12 survivors: 16.3
Average national ranking of Big 10 survivors: 17.0
Slight advantage to Big 12 at the top. As I said for months, the two conferences are pretty even at the top, but Big 12 has better depth.
Average loss by Big 12 teams: 4 points (4 losses by combined 16 points).
Average loss by Big 10 teams: 7.8 points (6 losses by combined 47 points, including all 3 overtime games).
Confirming my contention for months that Big 12 is better as you go down the list of teams. So I stand by that stance and the March Madness numbers support it.
76% of Big 10 teams in March Madness lost and 57% of Big 12 teams lost.
Again, as I’ve said for months, and the March Madness numbers support my conclusion: Big 12 and Big 10 are pretty even at the top, with Big 12 slightly ahead, and Big 12 is much better in depth, with 57% loss to 76% loss for Big 10.
Is Sweet Sixteen so far: Baylor of Big 12 and no Big 10 team yet.

Now where it say what you claim?

"YOU asserted that because one conference has a Final Four team and the other does not, it clearly makes one more superior than the other. "

DID YOU HAVE A READING COMPREHENSION PROBLEM IN SCHOOL, TOO?

"Never mess with an 88-year-old retired sportswriter who got paid well for being a sports expert! Big 10 fans can cry in their beer! Because they can Bearly stand it that the Big 12 has Baylor in the Final Four."

Pretty sure this was you claiming validation. I'm done schooling you on your own ********. You enjoy your smug sense of superiority while I and many other posters on this board continue to prove that we as amateurs are much better at what you spent a career trying to master.
 
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"Never mess with an 88-year-old retired sportswriter who got paid well for being a sports expert! Big 10 fans can cry in their beer! Because they can Bearly stand it that the Big 12 has Baylor in the Final Four."

Pretty sure this was you claiming validation. I'm done schooling you on your own ********. You enjoy your smug sense of superiority while I and many other posters on this board continue to prove that we as amateurs are much better at what you spent a career trying to master.

YOU COULD BE RIGHT. I'VE RARELY HAD A DAY WHEN I HAVEN'T BEEN WRONG. I'M JUST A COAL MINER'S SON TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE WORLD, MY LIFE AND SPORTS. AND VERY ANALYTICAL ABOUT IT. TOO MANY SPORTS FANS CAN'T SEE THE FOREST FOR THE TREES BECAUSE THEY ARE SO EMOTIONAL ABOUT THEIR TEAMS. MY HEART IS WITH MY ALMA MATER, BUT I'M NOT BLIND EITHER. SO PEOPLE DISLIKE ME FOR THAT. THAT'S ON THEM.
 

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No intelligent person thinks that the West Coast Conference is equal or superior to the Big 12 or Big 10. Only Gonzaga is, and by only 5 points when it played WVU. Because the team at the top wins March Madness doesn't mean the entire conference is deeper than conferences that did not win it that year. Even Gonzaga would have trouble going undefeated if it played a Big 12 conference schedule (every team twice, including WVU which would get TWO shots at knocking off the fabulous Zags). So would Houston, even if it beats Baylor in the Final Four! Remember, WVU of the Big 12 is the ONLY team in America to almost beat Gonzaga (ahead with 6 minutes to go, 1 down with minutes left, lost by 5) and Baylor (went into OT before losing). And yet WVU finished tied for 3rd in the Big 12 because the Big 12 is tougher than playing Gonzaga once and Baylor once (COVID killed the 2nd meeting)! Case closed. Big 12 is awesome from top to bottom. Well, except for Iowa State this season which lost EVERY game in the Big 12. Iowa State should have played in C-USA instead. Might have finished in the middle of the pack!
All those other 29 teams almost beat Gonzaga also. All of them were tied with 40 minutes left to play. However, none of them, including WVU, were able to score more points than the Zags.
 
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All those other 29 teams almost beat Gonzaga also.

BOY, DID YOU BLOW YOUR CREDITABILITY WITH THAT STATEMENT.
WVU LOST BY 5. EVERYONE ELSE LOST BY 10 TO 45! NOT EVEN CLOSE BY THE OTHER 29 TEAMS. ONLY WVU WAS 1 POINT DOWN WITH MINUTES TO GO. DO YOU EVEN CHECK THE FACTS BEFORE YOU POST. I DO! TRY IT! EQUIVALENCY ATTEMPT BY YOU GIVES YOU AN "F"!

All of them were tied with 40 minutes left to play. However, none of them, including WVU, were able to score more points than the Zags.
 

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CFE lives inside his own head 98% of the time. The other 2% of his time is spent looking for his adult diapers.
 

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YOU COULD BE RIGHT. I'VE RARELY HAD A DAY WHEN I HAVEN'T BEEN WRONG. I'M JUST A COAL MINER'S SON TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE WORLD, MY LIFE AND SPORTS. AND VERY ANALYTICAL ABOUT IT. TOO MANY SPORTS FANS CAN'T SEE THE FOREST FOR THE TREES BECAUSE THEY ARE SO EMOTIONAL ABOUT THEIR TEAMS. MY HEART IS WITH MY ALMA MATER, BUT I'M NOT BLIND EITHER. SO PEOPLE DISLIKE ME FOR THAT. THAT'S ON THEM.
People dislike you doofus because you are just the opposite of what you just posted. Being a fake ignorant jackass doesnt help you either. You are nothing but an emotionally blind cheerleader. Lol.
 
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YOU COULD BE RIGHT. I'VE RARELY HAD A DAY WHEN I HAVEN'T BEEN WRONG. I'M JUST A COAL MINER'S SON TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE WORLD, MY LIFE AND SPORTS. AND VERY ANALYTICAL ABOUT IT. TOO MANY SPORTS FANS CAN'T SEE THE FOREST FOR THE TREES BECAUSE THEY ARE SO EMOTIONAL ABOUT THEIR TEAMS. MY HEART IS WITH MY ALMA MATER, BUT I'M NOT BLIND EITHER. SO PEOPLE DISLIKE ME FOR THAT. THAT'S ON THEM.

If you can't see how claiming that having been a paid professional sports writer should give you credibility in your analysis while also claiming to be a homer for your Alma Mater are mutually exclusive positions, you are beyond reason.
 
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Baylor's 1st half wipeout of Houston in the Final Four is textbook reminder that excessive dribbling like Deuce did to Huggins' consternation all season is a surefire way to lose.

Baylor had assists on field goal after goal by passing the ball IN THE AIR, not by bouncing it, one of Bob's pet peeves all season.

Baylor reacted far better to loose balls without fouling by being alert at all times.

The quick pass to pass to pass got Baylor open more often, another thing that Huggins stressed.

And Baylor defense, a record for a March Madness game in the Final Four in least points given up in a half, is another Huggins trademark.

I know it's easy to say but hard to do in the heat of battle, but sound passing (not bouncing it), capturing loose balls without fouling and solid defense is the way to a national title.

If I were Huggins and every coach in America I would show my team this first half and say: "Go thou and do likewise no matter how much pressure you feel."
 
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So no intelligent person would claim because a team from a certain conference makes the Final Four that the conference is superior to the conference without a Final Four representative? Explains why you use the exact same logic with Big 12 vs Big 10 this year. One conference had 9 tournament teams and the other had 7. Neither conference had more than 1 team make the Sweet 16. One conference got its team to the Final Four and the other lost theirs in the Elite 8. You posted that this singular fact proves your opinion that the Big 12 is so clearly superior to the Big 10. I call ******** on anyone that says the Big 12 vs Big 10 debate this year is folly due to significant objective evidence that one conference is superior to the other. They were very close this year and clearly the top 2 conferences during the regular season. You can have an opinion as to 1 being better than the other, but you cannot reasonably argue that there is a preponderance of evidence making it completely unreasonable for it to be contentious.

WHEN IT COMES TO DEPTH, I CERTAINLY CAN. AND THE NUMBERS PROVED IT. IF YOU CAN DO MATH.