Bilas

[EvilMD]

I distinctly remember the end of the 86 UofL vs. Duke game, when a Duke player slugged Jeff Hall. Bilas played on that team. Can't remember which player it was, but sneaky dirty play with Duke goes back 30 years.

Now I'm sick from using a Card as an example.:weary:

Hall was going in for a layup when Duke had conceded defeat. It was Danny Ferry who stuck out his arm and clotheslined Hall, who turned around and threw the ball at Ferry.

Joe B. Hall didn't heavily recruit Hall in high school until it was too late. A friend of mine who attended Hall's school said that Joe B. showed up for one of Jeff's games late in the season and Jeff flipped him off. Always thought he fit right in at U of L.

 

[Teachable Moe]

The tripping isn't on a par with undercutting a guy making a layup. Which we've seen from Allen. Was he whistled for a flagrant then? I don't know. Maybe authorities have already dealt with that. But that was the more serious foul. There's a bit of getting the vapors over the tripping. Yes, it's a foul, but it's not the Lindbergh kidnapping, either. I think lots of people want his metaphoric head on a pike, but that isn't going to happen, and the punishment should fit the crime, not the uproar.

 

[Blueaz]

I guess if Bilas is no longer gushing all over Kentucky then we must hate him now? Seems to be a common theme. Last year know one could say enough great things about him. This year we're down a little bit and now that he's not giving us the accolades we were getting last year, everyone is off the Bilas bandwagon. I have no issue with him and would still rather have him at our games than someone like Dick Vitale. Even being a Duke guy, he's still more impartial than a lot of the other analysts out there. But, that's just my two cents. I like him.

The thread had nothing to do with his take on UK, it is his apologist stance.
You turned it

 

[Blueaz]

Nothing wrong with what Jay's take at all. Don't expect full blown attack from a guy against his alma mater.

Big huge gap between "full blown attack" and almost defending Allen's actions

 

[Blueaz]

Hall was going in for a layup when Duke had conceded defeat. It was Danny Ferry who stuck out his arm and clotheslined Hall, who turned around and threw the ball at Ferry.

Joe B. Hall didn't heavily recruit Hall in high school until it was too late. A friend of mine who attended Hall's school said that Joe B. showed up for one of Jeff's games late in the season and Jeff flipped him off. Always thought he fit right in at U of L.

Met Hall once...he will make you like Travis Ford

 

[TortElvisII]

Hall was going in for a layup when Duke had conceded defeat. It was Danny Ferry who stuck out his arm and clotheslined Hall, who turned around and threw the ball at Ferry.

Joe B. Hall didn't heavily recruit Hall in high school until it was too late. A friend of mine who attended Hall's school said that Joe B. showed up for one of Jeff's games late in the season and Jeff flipped him off. Always thought he fit right in at U of L.

I stand corrected I think clock had expired or almost had.

 

[mattadam]

just basically said Allen gets treated (physical play) from other teams because he is a great player from Duke. And he just needs to handle it a LITTLE better. ACC punishment and K's are ok with him. IF they would have suspended "I would be ok, with that also"
He was asked what advice he would give Allen...
Wow...bilas keeps dropping on my respect meter. His homerism grows more every week.
I know a lot of posters think he is great, bash away at me. But he (his unbiased) has really changed a lot the past year or so

Same guy who said the NCAA and refs need to clean up the physical play on the court! I've liked Jay but he's wrong on this one!

 

[preacherfan]

I watched the last 10 minutes of the UNC/VA game and I honestly thought Bilas was cheering on UNC. At one point, he said something like, "Johnson hasn't scored in a while. We need him to get a touch on this possession."

 

[TheDude1]

Bilas iirc stated that the refs shouldn't have t'd Humphries up.

IMO, you guys are mad at Bilas because nothing is going to happen to Allen. How exactly is that his fault? He said he would be okay with it if they suspended him, he would be okay no matter what they done. You're expecting him to lobby for punishment. Ridiculous.

I'm glad a moderator said this.

No one was hurt. No foul was called. A suspension would have been a first in league history for this sort largely passive-aggressive, sort of douche thing to do. An announcer saying "It was dumb and he shouldn't have done it but I am okay either with a suspension or not" is not the end of the world, and it is not some sign of favoritism.

Seriously, the NBA of the 70s, 80s, and 90s would laugh at a wimpy trip like this getting this sort of outraged response.

 

[SilentsAreGolden]

I watched the last 10 minutes of the UNC/VA game and I honestly thought Bilas was cheering on UNC. At one point, he said something like, "Johnson hasn't scored in a while. We need him to get a touch on this possession."

His exact words were "I'd like to see Johnson get a touch", but yeah I didn't think it sounded very impartial myself.

 

[SilentsAreGolden]

I'm glad a moderator said this.

No one was hurt. No foul was called. A suspension would have been a first in league history for this sort largely passive-aggressive, sort of douche thing to do. An announcer saying "It was dumb and he shouldn't have done it but I am okay either with a suspension or not" is not the end of the world, and it is not some sign of favoritism.

Seriously, the NBA of the 70s, 80s, and 90s would laugh at a wimpy trip like this getting this sort of outraged response.

Was the ref hurt who got tripped this season? That guy was suspended 4 games. I know refs are worst than tripping a player, but not when it's the second time in a month. Your program is getting known for their cheap shots. Own it.

 

[TheDude1]

Refs are an entirely different thing. If a player curses at another player, so what... Happens all the time. Curse at a ref? Kicked from the game.

It's like the difference between shoving someone in real life and shoving a cop in real life. One is just sort of douchey; the other will get you tased and arrested for assaulting an officer.

I am fine if people start thinking of Duke as some cheap shot place. Well, not fine; it bothers me tremendously. But I can't help what the guys do, and I can't help how rival fans respond.

Anyway... Probably chimed in enough. I don't think Bilas saying he is fine either way is some sort of a giant anti-UK, pro Duke conspiracy, and I don't think it deserved a suspension,

 

[Aike]

I'm glad a moderator said this.

No one was hurt. No foul was called. A suspension would have been a first in league history for this sort largely passive-aggressive, sort of douche thing to do. An announcer saying "It was dumb and he shouldn't have done it but I am okay either with a suspension or not" is not the end of the world, and it is not some sign of favoritism.

Seriously, the NBA of the 70s, 80s, and 90s would laugh at a wimpy trip like this getting this sort of outraged response.

Appeal to authority much?

No offense intended to any mods, but it isn't like they hold some special place as fountains of basketball knowledge. They have opinions like the rest of us.

Luckily for us, mods here rarely suppress discussion. Much like Bilas getting roasted by his peers on set today, our mods can deal with having their opinions challenged.

Like anyone else, mods are sometimes just plain wrong. Difference between this and most boards is that threads aren't locked and deleted when they are.

 

[TheDude1]

No. I am not appealing to authority. Nobody seems about to ban me. The reason I noted that is that you can't roast him as some horrible Duke lover and fan and so on and so forth. Nice to hear a Kentucky fan say "Listen. You guys are being silly. Bilas isn't some slobbering Duke lover; he is just stating a valid opinion."

Aike, you seem to take everything I post in literally the worst possible way. I can tell you basically nothing I post is meant that way.

 

[Aike]

No. I am not appealing to authority. Nobody seems about to ban me. The reason I noted that is that you can't roast him as some horrible Duke lover and fan and so on and so forth. Nice to hear a Kentucky fan say "Listen. You guys are being silly. Bilas isn't some slobbering Duke lover; he is just stating a valid opinion."

Aike, you seem to take everything I post in literally the worst possible way. I can tell you basically nothing I post is meant that way.

Then what difference did it make that he's a mod?

 

[TheDude1]

Because nobody is going to accuse a mod of being a closet Duke fan or a troll. He is part of the establishment.

 

[Aike]

Because nobody is going to accuse a mod of being a closet Duke fan or a troll. He is part of the establishment.

OK, well, he's as wrong as you and Bilas.

If it makes you feel better I agree with your buddy Jay Williams...and the other 99% of the country.

 

[preacherfan]

A mod said it...
And I believe it...
And that settles it for me

Though some may doubt that his word is true
I've chosen to believe it, how about you?


[winking]

 

[JohnBlue]

Are people picking on me? :chairshot:

 

[Aike]

Are people picking on me? :chairshot:

Lol.

 

[.S&C.]

I'm glad a moderator said this.

No one was hurt. No foul was called. A suspension would have been a first in league history for this sort largely passive-aggressive, sort of douche thing to do. An announcer saying "It was dumb and he shouldn't have done it but I am okay either with a suspension or not" is not the end of the world, and it is not some sign of favoritism.

Seriously, the NBA of the 70s, 80s, and 90s would laugh at a wimpy trip like this getting this sort of outraged response.

If someone in the NBA from the 80's and 90's was actively undercutting players under the goal and tripping players running I promise you it would have resulted in fists. You don't seem to understand how dirty he is, and the undercutting especially can damage someones career. You can't have it. period.

I can tell you probably didn't play sports because athletes understand what those things can bring. Taking someones legs out while they are not in some sort of defensive position is dangerous, thats why those types of fouls are techincals and suspensions.

Man, you really need to stop condoning the action and stop trying to diminish what it is. He's also not stopping, and thats why the media is running it. If no one was saying anything he wouldn't stop, and your win at all cost coach, no offense, wouldn't stop him like most coaches that value integrity do.

you've said enough, time to go.

 

[Kats23]

Bilas has become the defender of the student athlete. If you follow him on Twitter he is constantly bringing up the pay for play thing. I never expect him to hammer anybody that plays or coaches for the NCAA bc I think in his mind they are the lesser of 2 evils. Even when they are breaking the rules, they are breaking rules the evil NCAA is doing so how can they be wrong. I think to him if the NCAA was just paying these athletes, rules breaking whisk never occur.

As far as UNC and UL go it just comes down to friendships with Pitino and Williams. He can't wrap his head that they would do something like this or turn a blind eye to it.

Yeah, he's also letting his Dukeiness getting in the way with Allen but really ask yourself if you have ever heard him criticize a player. He's still knowledgeable wise one of the best in the game.

 

[Aike]

Bilas has become the defender of the student athlete. If you follow him on Twitter he is constantly bringing up the pay for play thing. I never expect him to hammer anybody that plays or coaches for the NCAA bc I think in his mind they are the lesser of 2 evils. Even when they are breaking the rules, they are breaking rules the evil NCAA is doing so how can they be wrong. I think to him if the NCAA was just paying these athletes, rules breaking whisk never occur.

As far as UNC and UL go it just comes down to friendships with Pitino and Williams. He can't wrap his head that they would do something like this or turn a blind eye to it.

Yeah, he's also letting his Dukeiness getting in the way with Allen but really ask yourself if you have ever heard him criticize a player. He's still knowledgeable wise one of the best in the game.

If he's going to defend athletes, he should defend those poor kids getting tripped and undercut all across the ACC.

 

[Supreme Lord Z]

Any UK poster that likes Bilas is too naive to see how insidious he is in his Duke propaganda. He's not blatant about it, he is sneaky and manipulative. He knows his audience and he probably gets his jollies from making fools out of them. I have always seen right through what he is up to because he has always had a pro-Duke agenda. Non-stop.

 

[preacherfan]

Bilas has become the defender of the student athlete. If you follow him on Twitter he is constantly bringing up the pay for play thing. I never expect him to hammer anybody that plays or coaches for the NCAA bc I think in his mind they are the lesser of 2 evils. Even when they are breaking the rules, they are breaking rules the evil NCAA is doing so how can they be wrong. I think to him if the NCAA was just paying these athletes, rules breaking whisk never occur.

As far as UNC and UL go it just comes down to friendships with Pitino and Williams. He can't wrap his head that they would do something like this or turn a blind eye to it.

Yeah, he's also letting his Dukeiness getting in the way with Allen but really ask yourself if you have ever heard him criticize a player. He's still knowledgeable wise one of the best in the game.

Reading that just makes me think that the defense attorney in Bilas is coming out. He even defended PJ Hairston and the fraudulent classes at UNC. That is why he has zero credibility now.

The moral problem with Bilas' stance is that the crimes are not against the evil NCAA empire but against other programs, other student-athletes, and even, in the case of UNC cheating, against their own players.

As for Allen, it was a "dirty" play that violated fair sportsmanship. Bilas called it "dumb." He can't bring himself to call it what it is. I have no respect for him at all.

 

[ashleys handfull]

Bilas is garbage.

 

[TheDude1]

SC, here is the thing... I had the same reaction you did reading some of these reactions... I didnt think most of you have played a sport, given how frothingly angry some of the reactions have been, and how dangerous some of you have insisted the trips were. Me? I've played several sports seriously through my life. I got my first recruitment letter as a high school freshman, and was a varsity captain at Duke (which is a D1 school, obviously.) I actually played hockey at several pro camps, and worked in sports, including as an agent and as a de-facto GM for some minor league teams.

And yet I look at those two wimpy trips and I'm left saying exactly what I've said before: they were childish and stupid and immature, and should have gotten fouls called (one did, the other didn't.). But I don't think they are the same as, say, banging a guys head against the hardwood, and I don't think they are worthy of a suspension... As I pointed out, has a player ever been suspended for something that wasn't even called as a foul and didn't result in an injury? So no, I don't think that sticking ones foot backwards blindly as someone walks by is deserving of that sort of historical punishment, and frankly I think a lot of the reaction that it has generated has to do more with who did it (a white successful player on maybe the most visible and oft-hated team in the world) than the actual action, which is frankly something I see kids do on the playground playing touch football when I have to do lunch duty at the elementary school I now teach in.

Hey, in the end, the disagreement isn't that big. I think everyone agrees it was dumb and immature and all of that. Everyone agrees that it should have been called a foul. The only two disagreements we really are having are the smaller one (should it be a suspension-worth crime) and the bigger one (what does it say about Allen.). Obviously, as someone who has read a lot about Grayson, and who has seen dozens of interviews with him and all of that, I don't think he is a "bad" kid, just a kid who is being childish, but it is likely natural for rival fans to disagree.

 

[jc2010]

SC, here is the thing... I had the same reaction you did reading some of these reactions... I didnt think most of you have played a sport, given how frothingly angry some of the reactions have been, and how dangerous some of you have insisted the trips were. Me? I've played several sports seriously through my life. I got my first recruitment letter as a high school freshman, and was a varsity captain at Duke (which is a D1 school, obviously.) I actually played hockey at several pro camps, and worked in sports, including as an agent and as a de-facto GM for some minor league teams.

And yet I look at those two wimpy trips and I'm left saying exactly what I've said before: they were childish and stupid and immature, and should have gotten fouls called (one did, the other didn't.). But I don't think they are the same as, say, banging a guys head against the hardwood, and I don't think they are worthy of a suspension... As I pointed out, has a player ever been suspended for something that wasn't even called as a foul and didn't result in an injury? So no, I don't think that sticking ones foot backwards blindly as someone walks by is deserving of that sort of historical punishment, and frankly I think a lot of the reaction that it has generated has to do more with who did it (a white successful player on maybe the most visible and oft-hated team in the world) than the actual action, which is frankly something I see kids do on the playground playing touch football when I have to do lunch duty at the elementary school I now teach in.

Hey, in the end, the disagreement isn't that big. I think everyone agrees it was dumb and immature and all of that. Everyone agrees that it should have been called a foul. The only two disagreements we really are having are the smaller one (should it be a suspension-worth crime) and the bigger one (what does it say about Allen.). Obviously, as someone who has read a lot about Grayson, and who has seen dozens of interviews with him and all of that, I don't think he is a "bad" kid, just a kid who is being childish, but it is likely natural for rival fans to disagree.

On the playground they get your *** kicked

 

[awf]

Maybe they were still trying to cover the spread? I don't know.

I do know that Allen has intentionally tripped 2 guys in 2 weeks. I don't see how your point is relevant to Allen's actions. Care to enlighten us?

This is actually the third time he has tripped another player in a game. He has done it in both games against the Vile and now this third incident.

 

[Aike]

SC, here is the thing... I had the same reaction you did reading some of these reactions... I didnt think most of you have played a sport, given how frothingly angry some of the reactions have been, and how dangerous some of you have insisted the trips were. Me? I've played several sports seriously through my life. I got my first recruitment letter as a high school freshman, and was a varsity captain at Duke (which is a D1 school, obviously.) I actually played hockey at several pro camps, and worked in sports, including as an agent and as a de-facto GM for some minor league teams.

And yet I look at those two wimpy trips and I'm left saying exactly what I've said before: they were childish and stupid and immature, and should have gotten fouls called (one did, the other didn't.). But I don't think they are the same as, say, banging a guys head against the hardwood, and I don't think they are worthy of a suspension... As I pointed out, has a player ever been suspended for something that wasn't even called as a foul and didn't result in an injury? So no, I don't think that sticking ones foot backwards blindly as someone walks by is deserving of that sort of historical punishment, and frankly I think a lot of the reaction that it has generated has to do more with who did it (a white successful player on maybe the most visible and oft-hated team in the world) than the actual action, which is frankly something I see kids do on the playground playing touch football when I have to do lunch duty at the elementary school I now teach in.

Hey, in the end, the disagreement isn't that big. I think everyone agrees it was dumb and immature and all of that. Everyone agrees that it should have been called a foul. The only two disagreements we really are having are the smaller one (should it be a suspension-worth crime) and the bigger one (what does it say about Allen.). Obviously, as someone who has read a lot about Grayson, and who has seen dozens of interviews with him and all of that, I don't think he is a "bad" kid, just a kid who is being childish, but it is likely natural for rival fans to disagree.

It isn't the one trip. That's a flagrant, possible ejection.

It's the pattern of behavior. It wasn't a one time, childish mistake. He has repeatedly made these dirty, non-basketball plays.

Sure, banging someone's head on the ground is worse than tripping someone. Diamond Stone also got an immediate suspension when he did that.

BTW, did you play Lacrosse at Duke?

 

[preacherfan]

I don't think he is a "bad" kid, just a kid who is being childish, but it is likely natural for rival fans to disagree.

I hear that ALL the time. I hear it when they are tripping other kids on a playground and I hear it when they are going to prison. Yeah, he is a BAD kid. Adults need to stop excusing behavior and even reinforcing it.

Check out 48 hours from last night. He wasn't a bad kid either. And, before you go there...I am NOT comparing tripping to murder. But, I am saying that bad behavior is bad behavior and we need to quit with the excuses.

Before this thread, I did think a suspension was too severe. However, posters like you have convinced me that it isn't because he needs to get the message that bad behavior will not be tolerated.

 

[SilentsAreGolden]

SC, here is the thing... I had the same reaction you did reading some of these reactions... I didnt think most of you have played a sport, given how frothingly angry some of the reactions have been, and how dangerous some of you have insisted the trips were. Me? I've played several sports seriously through my life. I got my first recruitment letter as a high school freshman, and was a varsity captain at Duke (which is a D1 school, obviously.) I actually played hockey at several pro camps, and worked in sports, including as an agent and as a de-facto GM for some minor league teams.

And yet I look at those two wimpy trips and I'm left saying exactly what I've said before: they were childish and stupid and immature, and should have gotten fouls called (one did, the other didn't.). But I don't think they are the same as, say, banging a guys head against the hardwood, and I don't think they are worthy of a suspension... As I pointed out, has a player ever been suspended for something that wasn't even called as a foul and didn't result in an injury? So no, I don't think that sticking ones foot backwards blindly as someone walks by is deserving of that sort of historical punishment, and frankly I think a lot of the reaction that it has generated has to do more with who did it (a white successful player on maybe the most visible and oft-hated team in the world) than the actual action, which is frankly something I see kids do on the playground playing touch football when I have to do lunch duty at the elementary school I now teach in.

Hey, in the end, the disagreement isn't that big. I think everyone agrees it was dumb and immature and all of that. Everyone agrees that it should have been called a foul. The only two disagreements we really are having are the smaller one (should it be a suspension-worth crime) and the bigger one (what does it say about Allen.). Obviously, as someone who has read a lot about Grayson, and who has seen dozens of interviews with him and all of that, I don't think he is a "bad" kid, just a kid who is being childish, but it is likely natural for rival fans to disagree.

Whether there was an injury or not is irrelevant. Not all things worthy of suspension have to do with dangerous behavior. Allowing this conduct without suspension provides little incentive to curtail future instances.

 

[docholiday51]

It isn't the one trip. That's a flagrant, possible ejection.

It's the pattern of behavior. It wasn't a one time, childish mistake. He has repeatedly made these dirty, non-basketball plays.

Sure, banging someone's head on the ground is worse than tripping someone. Diamond Stone also got an immediate suspension when he did that.

BTW, did you play Lacrosse at Duke?

There are about a half dozen videos of Allen being involved in some type of incidents on the court,yet Bilas sees the need to defend this one in the FSU game while ignoring the rest (or at least admitting there have been incidents involving Allen)

A case can be made both ways (that it is a Duke issue or an Allen issue) I wouldn't expect Bilas to go down either of those roads.




























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[docholiday51]

Whether there was an injury or not is irrelevant. Not all things worthy of suspension have to do with dangerous behavior. Allowing this conduct without suspension provides little incentive to curtail future instances.

Today's game will be interesting for a number of reasons(the least of which is likely to be basketball related)