bottom line on Stansbury...

[Coach34]

he is slipping and so is the program. This website was founded on the fact that a group of guys spoke out about Jackie and how he was letting the football program slide, and they were jumped on by the sheep of Genespage and not allowed to speak their concerns. This is where we are now with Stansbury.

Is Stansbury the reason we have expectations? He and Williams are without a doubt. And Stansbury has shown to be more consistent. From 1991-2009, we made the NCAA Tourney 9 times in 19 years- so we see it can be done regularly. And there is no reason that we should accept anything less and slide back to what it was before.

Jackie and Polk let their programs slide to an extremely low level. And alot of that is due to the strength of the SEC in those sports. There is very little room for error in those sports because the SEC is the nation's best year in and year out. That is not the case with basketball and never will be. So the slide will not be as drastic, not as obvious- but a slide nonetheless.

1. We are currently at 2 NCAA's in the last 5 years with one of those a backdoor appearance. In 12 years, Stansbury has yet to advance in the Tourney.
2. Year after year, we have not just transfers, but starters and guys that play alot transferring to places like Notre Dame, GaTech, Louisville, and UPig. These arent bottom of the roster players. We lead the SEC and maybe the nation in this area.
3. In 12 years, we have made no progress at all in advancing our program toward a more national scale, we are content with playing nobody's each season OOC.
4. Next season, we will not make the NCAA's again- making it 2 trips in 6 seasons and even more evidence of a slide.


At what point is enough for a change for the supporters? Does Stansbury have to have a Sherrill and Polk-like crash for the move to be made? Does it not make sense to take the necessary steps to avoid falling to that level? I know Stansbury is a big part of the reason we have expectations in basketball, but 2004 doesnt matter now. Thats over. The program is clearly regressing, and something needs to be done at some point. What, for you, is that point?

Would 2 bowl games in 6 seasons be enough for Mullen to keep everyone happy? I dont think so
Once Cohen gets the program turned around (hopefully he will, he has 2 more seasons in my book), is 2 NCAA's every 6 years enough? Of course not. We havent won the SEC in baseball since 1989. Baseball hasnt won the freaking West since it formed in 1992, I mean come on??? Yet, we have higher expectations in baseball why? Because Polk advanced in the Tourney- something Stansbury has shown he cannot do

I think Stansbury should be coaching for his job in 2011.

 

[Coach34]

he is slipping and so is the program. This website was founded on the fact that a group of guys spoke out about Jackie and how he was letting the football program slide, and they were jumped on by the sheep of Genespage and not allowed to speak their concerns. This is where we are now with Stansbury.

Is Stansbury the reason we have expectations? He and Williams are without a doubt. And Stansbury has shown to be more consistent. From 1991-2009, we made the NCAA Tourney 9 times in 19 years- so we see it can be done regularly. And there is no reason that we should accept anything less and slide back to what it was before.

Jackie and Polk let their programs slide to an extremely low level. And alot of that is due to the strength of the SEC in those sports. There is very little room for error in those sports because the SEC is the nation's best year in and year out. That is not the case with basketball and never will be. So the slide will not be as drastic, not as obvious- but a slide nonetheless.

1. We are currently at 2 NCAA's in the last 5 years with one of those a backdoor appearance. In 12 years, Stansbury has yet to advance in the Tourney.
2. Year after year, we have not just transfers, but starters and guys that play alot transferring to places like Notre Dame, GaTech, Louisville, and UPig. These arent bottom of the roster players. We lead the SEC and maybe the nation in this area.
3. In 12 years, we have made no progress at all in advancing our program toward a more national scale, we are content with playing nobody's each season OOC.
4. Next season, we will not make the NCAA's again- making it 2 trips in 6 seasons and even more evidence of a slide.


At what point is enough for a change for the supporters? Does Stansbury have to have a Sherrill and Polk-like crash for the move to be made? Does it not make sense to take the necessary steps to avoid falling to that level? I know Stansbury is a big part of the reason we have expectations in basketball, but 2004 doesnt matter now. Thats over. The program is clearly regressing, and something needs to be done at some point. What, for you, is that point?

Would 2 bowl games in 6 seasons be enough for Mullen to keep everyone happy? I dont think so
Once Cohen gets the program turned around (hopefully he will, he has 2 more seasons in my book), is 2 NCAA's every 6 years enough? Of course not. We havent won the SEC in baseball since 1989. Baseball hasnt won the freaking West since it formed in 1992, I mean come on??? Yet, we have higher expectations in baseball why? Because Polk advanced in the Tourney- something Stansbury has shown he cannot do

I think Stansbury should be coaching for his job in 2011.

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

Everyone knows your position on Stansbury.

 

[DowntownDawg]

...at MSU, we are so grateful for any success, that we allow the coaches who give it to us to get lazy, stay too long, and destroy the programs that they built.

It's absolutely irrelevant that Stansbury is the reason for expectations if it becomes clear that he can't meet them anymore.

 

[Coach34]

and now one today about the future of the program...I dont view that as excessive

 

[Columbus Dawg]

we haven't seen that from Stans yet. This 2011 class is very important. Deville Smith was a great start. If Stans can land Hood and O'Bryant for example, we would be back on track.

I think everyone should be and is concerned about the management of the players once they get on campus, but until he slips in recruiting I can't jump on the "fire Stans" bandwagon. </p>

 

[Dawgfan61]

****, I had no idea.

 

[Coach34]

and werent Jackie's last couple of recruiting classes rated fairly high? We know now they didnt pan out, but at the time, they were rated pretty well

 

[mstateglfr]

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I simply dont see how we are that much worse over the last few years versus previous years. We had 1 incredible year in '03-'04, 1 really great year in '01-'02, and 1 great year in '07-'08.
Basically he has had 3 years of great play or better and they have been spread out thru his years at MSU. With the exception of2 bad years, the rest are above average years but nothing to jump up and down in exitement over.

I guess i just dont see the current state of the program as giving usmuch less than 'above average years but nothing to jump up and down in exitement over.' And i dont see how our current results show that the program is slipping. Its right at where its been at...never too high and never too low. We are still well within the top 1/3 of D1 programs, and probably in the top 1/4, just like we usually are each year. Our results are rarely anything to call home about and they are rarely any reason to jump off a bridge. Its how it normally is and its how it looks to continue to be.

 

[paindonthurt_]

problem? Our last several seasons have been very mediocre. Either he sucks as a coach or he hasn't been recruiting. There has to be a reason that we have underachieved.

I'll give him until signing day of the 2011 class, but after that there should be no more excuses.

 

[fishwater99]

paindonthurt[/b]]problem? Our last several seasons have been very mediocre. Either he sucks as a coach or he hasn't been recruiting. There has to be a reason that we have underachieved.

Stans is "The Recuiter", how else did we get The Renardo Sidney Show on campus.. Stan's problem is that he has no offensive coaching ability. He has no clue on the offensive end of the floor. He runs the "Motion" offense b/c that is all he knows and was taught that by Dick Williams. He continues to fail on that end of the floor and will do so until he gets an assistant to help him. But next year we have the "second coming of Magic Johnson" playing for us,just a little heavier version, so all is well with the Stand and Shoot offense. Just sit back and watch Renardo go...

 

[MadDawg.sixpack]

and just when I thought you couldn't get more redundant.

 

[medearis]

go ask LSU, Bama, and Auburn how easy it is to hire a great coach. They have all the money in the world and are worse off than us. Fire Stansbury and then what? Hire somebody else and PRAY that we have another 10 years like the last 10. Not me. Just because Richard Williams had a good run before Stansbury does not mean the next 3 basketball coaches we hire will be any good at all. Ask Clemson how easy it is to find a good coach.

 

[Columbus Dawg]

with pretty much everything you have said in this thread. I just don't have that same feeling about Stansbury right nowthat I did about Sherrill in his last 2 years. But if Deville is the only name we get for 2011, I may change my tune.

 

[JxnDawg39211]

Would 2 bowl games in 6 seasons be enough for Mullen to keep everyone happy? I dont think so
Once Cohen gets the program turned around (hopefully he will, he has 2 more seasons in my book), is 2 NCAA's every 6 years enough? Of course not

How can you compare bowl games to making the NCAA tournament? The NCAA tournament is much tougher to reach than a bowl game. There are 120 FBS teams and 34 bowls (35 next year), which is 70 teams. So 58.3% of FBS football teams next year will play in bowls.

There are 347 basketball Division I teams and 65 spots (68 next year) . So 19.59% of Division I basketball teams will play in the NCAA tournament next year.

I would say making a lower tiered bowl like Papa Johns, Music City, Liberty is equivalent to making the NIT. Peach equal to NCAA first/second round. New Years Day bowls equal Sweet Sixteens

 

[jamdawg96]

Stansbury should be coaching for his job in 2011.<div>
</div><div>The difference is, I still have much higher expectations for the team we have coming back.You said it yourself, the conference isn't as strong as it is in other sports. But you're riding this "Riley's our most experienced guard" thing too much. We have talent. Lots of it. It isn't proven, but it's there. I won't be making excuses for Stansbury if we can't win with what we have. So, I guess we'll see.</div><div>
</div><div>Recruiting will be a major factor in 2011, too. If we don't make the tourney next year and Stans hasn't signed a top-notch class, I'll give up on his efforts and take the stance that it's time for change. Until then, I'm confident we'll stay competitive.
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</div><div>The horse you rode in on with this argument died not long after we got snubbed on Selection Sunday. I'll be glad when you stop beating it. It's May 10th.</div></div>

 

[codeDawg]

 

[Sutterkane]

Stans can't prove that he needs to stick around or not until March of next year, and Stricklin isn't going to fire him his first year on the job before he's even completed the season.

You're simply bitching to ***** at this point. Can it at least wait until we hear about how we've lost O'Bryant, Ross, or Luckett to hear you complain about Stans any more?

 

[brantleyjones]

Do you actually think that your one man crusade to get Stansbury fired by serial posting on the MSU ***** board will succeed? Good luck with that.

Or is it your objective to stick around and repeat the same **** ad nauseum, until he finally is run off, at which point you can spew forth another thousand posts claiming that you've been right ever since 2002? (Which would be wrong, because (1) there was nothing wrong, in the MSU world, with 2002, and (2) we would have missed 2004.)

Yeah, I know. If I don't like it, don't read it.

 

[Coach34]

how many of those spots in the NCAA Tourney are typically taken by the BCS conferences? There may be 347 teams in NCAA basketball, but 73 of those teams always get about 50% of those Tourney berths

2010- 31 from BCS
2009- 36 from BCS
2008- 34 from BCS
2007- 34 from BCS

You get the idea. Roughly 47% of BCS teams get an NCAA Tourney berth each season. So, we can stop with how hard it is for BCS teams to get an NCAA berth. The "347 teams" argument is ********. 73 teams get 50% of the berths, and the other 274 teams get 50% of the berths

 

[UpTheMiddlex3Punt]

He wants a good seed for the playoffs.

 

[JxnDawg39211]

of the 34 bowls and 68 teams that appeared in those bowl games last year, only 19 were from non-BCS schools, which means that BCS schools appear in 72% of total bowl games.

47% BCS schools appear in NCAA tournament
72% BCS school appear in all bowl games

thanks for strengthening my argument </p>

 

[JxnDawg39211]

of the 34 bowls and 68 teams that appeared in those bowl games last year, only 19 were from non-BCS schools, which means that BCS schools appear in 72% of total bowl games.

47% BCS schools appear in NCAA tournament
72% BCS school appear in all bowl games

thanks for strengthening my argument

 

[Coach34]

basically, half of BCS schools get a berth...thats not that hard to achieve...stop acting like it is

 

[Johnson85]

If we successfully go schedule 3 OOC patsies and a Div I-AA school, going to a bowl in football means beating two SEC schools (with two of the chances each year coming against UK and UM each year). If we do that, then yes, going to a bowl game at 6-6 may be as easy as getting into the NCAA tourney, but depending on the east opponents, it still means roughly being the 9th best team in the SEC each year, which generally means you have a pretty decent team.

Of course the real problem is not how often Stansbury makes the tourney; the problem is that his teams generally have problems that people don't expect well coached teams to have. Couple that with the fact that he's underachieved when he has definitely had talent, and it makes people concerned that he's already peaked. We can definitely do worse than Stansbury, but at the same time, people only want to watch good talent play mediocre basketball for so long. If Stansbury doesn't clean up with the 2011 class, I'd just as soon take a chance on somebody new.</p> ETA: doh

 

[Coach34]

Stansbury has never loaded the schedule with a bunch of patsies to pad his won/loss record and then win just enough conference games in a weak conference to get to 20 wins and appear like its been a helluva year in basketball

 

[onewoof]

1) Obsessive
2) Compulsive
3) Disorder

Besides, Clemson tried to hire Stansbury. And you Coach34? You obviously aren't coaching anymore, and your internet coaching is reaching a new,sad level.

You are a true one hit wonder:

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