Brandon F Walker - I'm with ya brother
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I think the call was one of the dumbest things I've seen State do. However, I can see the reasoning for passing, just not a pass like that. Second, however, anyone calling for Lebby to be fired is being overly emotional. Of course he deserves the blame for the call. He also deserves the credit for getting us in that position to begin with. What frustrates me is that we are right there. Just not quite. And I have seen this movie before many times. We are so often not quite there.
So if Lebby isn’t calling the plays and tells the offensive coordinator to get more yards that makes it different. Got it.
See how dumb that argument is.
No, if he is not in the mindset of needing to call plays, maybe he can think about the overall situation, do proper clock management, and not make bonehead moves like this one.
This gives me flashbacks to Croom — stubborn to a fault. If he’d just said, “I own it, this one’s on me, and we’re moving on to Texas,” I’d feel a lot better about him.
I know it’s getting magnified because it involves State but this crap goes on in almost every game. Coaches make bad decisions. It happens
I’m in the camp that you run it, clock it, and kick. He saw it another way.
But, if you have a decent QB...
But, to be fair, Leach threw on first down, too, and UT dropped a sure interception.
I get your point. I do think, especially during a game, there is need of having an OC. Saban had them, Urban Meyer had them. I wished I knew if there was a Conference champ in the last 30 years that didn't have one. There are too many decisions in too short a timeframe especially at the end of a tight game not to have one calling plays.I know it’s getting magnified because it involves State but this crap goes on in almost every game. Coaches make bad decisions. It happens
I’m in the camp that you run it, clock it, and kick. He saw it another way.
It’s not a dumb argument. By your logic, no head coach needs an OC or a DC.
Considering that it was a 46 yarder, after calming down, I don't think it was THAT bad. An INT or a missed FG both result in a loss.
I'd have probably centered it and kicked it, but still.
Overall we're just not a disciplined team.
I'd have probably centered it and kicked it, but still.
Overall we're just not a disciplined team.
Right over the upright is no good. In college the ball has to be between the uprights.....but we never got a good replay.
It was one of the dumbest play calls in MSU sports history and Brandon Walker is making himself look like an idiot defending it.
He’s not right. It was the most idiotic play call I have possibly ever seen. Throwing the ball in the middle of the field with an insanely inconsistent quarterback that lacks mobility when you are in field goal range is dumbass central. What if it gets tipped and intercepted by one of the other 7 defenders in the area? What if we get a holding call and have to kick a 58 yard field goal? What if we get sacked? All of those risks to try and gain 5 yards when you’re already within range and were also running it down their throat all game. It’s not like we couldn’t run the football on them. It was dumb as 17 and it’s insane that someone like Brandon Walker would be stupid enough to defend it.
I'm not with Bwalker on this one.
We had two receivers wide open. Ron Roberts, wisely and wildly, decided to drop a DT into zone,
How does Shapen not see a DT right in front of him? That is the question. All he has to do is put the ball up.
It was a great play call.
How does Shapen not see a DT right in front of him? That is the question. All he has to do is put the ball up.
It was a great play call.
One thing to keep in mind... Clark Lea is in his FIFTH year at Vanderbilt. Here are the records from his first years:
2021: 2-10 (0-8)
2022: 5-7 (2-6)
2023: 2-10 (0-8)
2024: 7-6 (3-5)
2025: 6-1 (2-1) << in progress
We have to remember that as frustrating as it was to lose to UF (and that we couldn't finish UT), we are much better than prior years. If Lebby is still giving games away next year, buy me a ticket on the train to new coach town. But not yet.
I will be interested to see how Vandy does after Pavia leaves (if he leaves?). They have built a strong, hard nosed team that is tough to play against. But Vandy fans (I'm a Vandy grad alum)... DO. NOT. CARE. about sports. That may be changing, but I would not be surprised to see a regression after Pavia is done. When I was in Grad School, James Franklin won 9 games in back-to-back years. Then they went through another decade of mediocrity and no fan interest
Sounds kind of familiar to another team we all like, no? Need I remind people about the 2016 S. Alabama "shorts" game after Dak graduated?? and the ~7 years of futility we've been riding lately.
Good things are coming... I was happy we could beat ASU. I was sad we couldn't finish against UT. I'm frustrated that we didn't win Saturday against UF. I'm beyond angry that we gave the game away against UF.
But we should not fire Lebby this year.
2021: 2-10 (0-8)
2022: 5-7 (2-6)
2023: 2-10 (0-8)
2024: 7-6 (3-5)
2025: 6-1 (2-1) << in progress
We have to remember that as frustrating as it was to lose to UF (and that we couldn't finish UT), we are much better than prior years. If Lebby is still giving games away next year, buy me a ticket on the train to new coach town. But not yet.
I will be interested to see how Vandy does after Pavia leaves (if he leaves?). They have built a strong, hard nosed team that is tough to play against. But Vandy fans (I'm a Vandy grad alum)... DO. NOT. CARE. about sports. That may be changing, but I would not be surprised to see a regression after Pavia is done. When I was in Grad School, James Franklin won 9 games in back-to-back years. Then they went through another decade of mediocrity and no fan interest
Sounds kind of familiar to another team we all like, no? Need I remind people about the 2016 S. Alabama "shorts" game after Dak graduated?? and the ~7 years of futility we've been riding lately.
Good things are coming... I was happy we could beat ASU. I was sad we couldn't finish against UT. I'm frustrated that we didn't win Saturday against UF. I'm beyond angry that we gave the game away against UF.
But we should not fire Lebby this year.
Missing three wide open receivers for touchdowns, a fumble in the red zone, and a horrible 4th down call may have had slightly more to do with it than one bad passing decision. We left a minimum of 24 points on the field in that game. Halftime should have been 24-3 and Florida would have rolls over and died.
This man gets it! He doesn't want to be a a HC he wants to continue to be a OC with HC pay! Preach GloryDawg! All I want is a HEAD COACH, someone who manages a game makes the decision to go for it or not on 4th down, when to go for 2 when, how allows someone to run a defense or offense he approves of. A coach who recruits and retains too talent. This is not too much to ask for! Screw this up and coming coordinator crap we keep doing! If you hire a HC ho has proven he can call plays and win at the top level then I'm fine with it, otherwise move the 17 on!
Big difference- Clark Lea hired Tim Beck last year. This is Tim Beck’s 2nd year. Clark Lea realized in order to be competitive at Vanderbilt they had to be different, and that’s why he hired Tim Beck. Other words they changed directions totally but still with the same head coach. Jeff Lebby calls his offense, there is no changing directions.
Also Clark Lea is coaching at his alma mater, I don't get the impression that he is looking elsewhere. He has passion for Vandy, I still stand by that we should follow a similar path at State. Surely there is a alum with coaching experience who wants to be the one to raise his alma mater from the ashes to relevance?
Just the Devils opinion, but you run the ball. Clock it. Take the kick opportunity. I do not think Lebby is an idiot for wanting a closer kick. The dumb part is putting it in the air. But it happened. Time to move on to Texas.
You’re on to something- that is maybe the direction we need to go- an alum with coaching experience and who wants to do what’s right, whatever it takes, no matter how it looks, for his school to hav a chance to be successful. He go might that be?
Joe Judge! Give him another chance. He's been learning from Lane for the last couple of years!
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I have said for years that we need Boobie on staff. Maybe he could be the “Executive director of player enthusiasm”! Haha. Nobody brings good vibes like Boobie Dixon.
I’m coming around to saying why the hell not. He could be our Clark Lea as Bulldog78 says. But I just don’t know that much about him. But as he says Lea’s passion is for Vandy, and after year 3 there he realized and made a huge change in his offensive approach there. To me thst hige change in approach shows his willingness to try to do what’s best for Vanderbilt. And that’s what we need, Someone who understands who we are at State and what we’re up against.
Wait. You mean officials are not the only ones who make bad calls in games?**I know it’s getting magnified because it involves State but this crap goes on in almost every game. Coaches make bad decisions. It happens
I’m in the camp that you run it, clock it, and kick. He saw it another way.
I don't mind a pass being called, but THAT pass cannot happen.
The bigger thing that I feel like Lebby isn't getting is that he needs this fanbase to stay bought in, and the only way to do that is to get a damn SEC win ASAP. Yes we all agree we're better than last year, but that doesn't mean that we're all happy going from 2 to 4 wins and calling it good. I don't see the fire.
I want a coach that is doing whatever it takes to scratch and claw and secure an SEC win. Learn from the playcalling and time mgmt mistakes in the Tennessee game and apply those to the Florida game, not repeat the same mistakes again and snatch another loss from the jaws of victory. Showing up in the post-game presser with "aw shucks, I liked the play call but the ball didn't bounce our way tonight" tells me he doesn't want this as bad as we do.
The bigger thing that I feel like Lebby isn't getting is that he needs this fanbase to stay bought in, and the only way to do that is to get a damn SEC win ASAP. Yes we all agree we're better than last year, but that doesn't mean that we're all happy going from 2 to 4 wins and calling it good. I don't see the fire.
I want a coach that is doing whatever it takes to scratch and claw and secure an SEC win. Learn from the playcalling and time mgmt mistakes in the Tennessee game and apply those to the Florida game, not repeat the same mistakes again and snatch another loss from the jaws of victory. Showing up in the post-game presser with "aw shucks, I liked the play call but the ball didn't bounce our way tonight" tells me he doesn't want this as bad as we do.
Exactly who I was thinking. He was offered the job before, but took the Giants job. Can't blame a guy for taking a shot at the NFL. Wasn't exactly in the best situation there especially with Gettleman and the Saquan injury and Daniel Jones at QB ( who now is helping me in fantasy on another team). I mean let's see what other coach in history left college, didn't do well as an NFL coach and then came back to college and made the most impressive football dynasty in history? None other than Lord Saban? Oh and Judge coaches under him as well as a grad assistant. So we have a guy who loves MSU, has learned under Saban, Kiffin and Bellichek. Last time I mentioned him everyone said no college experience, seems that is no longer an issue he also checks way more boxes than our current OC/HC form and experience, passion for the school and mentored under.
You think it won't work based on a play that a veteran QB should never turn the ball over on but he did.
Lebby has this team playing hard and getting better and better. If you can't see it, then you don't know anything about the game.
Beating a ranked good ASU team vs losing to Tulsa is way more than doubling. You gotta be a Rebel fan.