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Defensive Coordinator from Clemson could be an interesting candidate for the job if we do decide
to go in a different direction. He Coached for 12 years under Bob Stoops at Oklahoma before going to Clemson. His Clemson D has been pretty good since he got there in 2012. He is an excellent recruiter and would probably do very well recruiting NJ. Not to mention he will bring an attitude of toughness to this program that is badly needed.

Other names to mention
Kirby Smart- Alabama defensive coordinator
Craig Bohl, Wyoming
Matt Campbell, Toledo
Tom Herman, Houston (OC for Ohio state from 2012-2014)
 

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Defensive Coordinator from Clemson could be an interesting candidate for the job if we do decide
to go in a different direction. He Coached for 12 years under Bob Stoops at Oklahoma before going to Clemson. His Clemson D has been pretty good since he got there in 2012. He is an excellent recruiter and would probably do very well recruiting NJ. Not to mention he will bring an attitude of toughness to this program that is badly needed.

Other names to mention
Kirby Smart- Alabama defensive coordinator
Craig Bohl, Wyoming
Matt Campbell, Toledo
Tom Herman, Houston (OC for Ohio state from 2012-2014)

I think we need an experienced HC, not a coordinator..
 

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I think we need an experienced HC, not a coordinator..
I don't think we are in any position to be picky bud. If any of these coaches showed any interest we would be insane to pass them over to find that more experienced coach that everyone seems to think is out there.
 

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I think alot of people are thinking he's going to go to KSU if Snyder retires.
 

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I think we need an experienced HC, not a coordinator..

Look at the job Hermann is doing at Houston. Look at the job Narduzzi is doing at Pitt. Even Diaco (UCONN) is starting to come into his own in his second year.

ALL head coaches were assistant coaches at one time.

Venables i legit. If we couldn't get Rhule, Babers, or Campbell, Venables is one of two coordinators I would be thrilled with.
 

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I think alot of people are thinking he's going to go to KSU if Snyder retires.
Yeah i know he played under Snyder and coached under him for 6 years. He coached under Snyder and Stoops, and now Sweeney at Clemson. If we could somehow (I have no idea how) get him here i think he would be a home run. But yes if Snyder retires he will likely go to KSU.
 

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Look at the job Hermann is doing at Houston. Look at the job Narduzzi is doing at Pitt. Even Diaco (UCONN) is starting to come into his own in his second year.

ALL head coaches were assistant coaches at one time.

Venables i legit. If we couldn't get Rhule, Babers, or Campbell, Venables is one of two coordinators I would be thrilled with.
Diaco will be getting a bigger gig within the next two years he is doing a pretty good job. I will be thrilled with any of those coaches you mentioned and im sure most of the fan base would to except for the ones who think there is an "experienced" coach who will come here.
 
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I named him a couple years ago in a tier below Herman and couple others. He's known to be a good recruiter, he's built Clemson's defense to one of the top in the country over his time there and he did pretty good job at OU as well before he moved out to make room for Stoops' brother. I believe he'd run a spread considering those were the offenses run both at OU and Clemson.

Reading more about him over time on other boards and blogs, he's known to be quite a hot head and prickish so that cooled me on him quite a bit. I don't think that would be good here and made me think maybe that's why he hasn't gotten many looks after so many years as a coordinator and a pretty good track record as coordinator and recruiter. I do think KSU is a possibility for him. He played there, coached there and is from Kansas.

As far as coordinator vs HC experience. Lack of HC experience doesn't bother me depending on the coordinator. If you look over time I don't know that you see much difference in success/failure rate for coaches with HC experience from the mid majors vs. coordinators.
 

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I named him a couple years ago in a tier below Herman and couple others. He's known to be a good recruiter, he's built Clemson's defense to one of the top in the country over his time there and he did pretty good job at OU as well before he moved out to make room for Stoops' brother. I believe he'd run a spread considering those were the offenses run both at OU and Clemson.

Reading more about him over time on other boards and blogs, he's known to be quite a hot head and prickish so that cooled me on him quite a bit. I don't think that would be good here and made me think maybe that's why he hasn't gotten many looks after so many years as a coordinator and a pretty good track record as coordinator and recruiter. I do think KSU is a possibility for him. He played there, coached there and is from Kansas.

As far as coordinator vs HC experience. Lack of HC experience doesn't bother me depending on the coordinator. If you look over time I don't know that you see much difference in success/failure rate for coaches with HC experience from the mid majors vs. coordinators.
To be honest the hot head and prickish attitude doesn't bother me one bit at this point because our head coach basically sleeps through the games. But i do see why it could be an issue, but if he wins it will be said to be swagger but if we are losing ohhhhh boy would nj.com have a field day lol. But i still think he is one to be seriously considered.
 

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If Rutgers does go looking for a new HC I have to believe Rutgers needs someone with experience at the position.

I'm not going to come on here and say I know better than any other poster. I'm also not going to even attempt to say I know who out of the OC's/DC's mentioned would or wouldn't make a great HC someday. I just think with all the stuff swirling around the program and the uphill battle RU is facing, you need someone who can hit the ground running, not learn on the job. Of course saying that I realize I've eliminated most candidates folks here would want.
 
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To be honest the hot head and prickish attitude doesn't bother me one bit at this point because our head coach basically sleeps through the games. But i do see why it could be an issue, but if he wins it will be said to be swagger but if we are losing ohhhhh boy would nj.com have a field day lol. But i still think he is one to be seriously considered.
I understand wanting emotion but we also don't want a Pelini like temper on the sidelines or some other allegations of "abuse" come up.

If I'm gonna go with a defensive guy Dave Aranda is my choice. I've posted articles on him here a couple times. He's not a hot head for sure and is quite soft spoken if anything but gets the job done. Reminds me of a defensive version of David Shaw at Stanford. Seems very knowledgeable and I've never seen a coach weave so much x/o knowledge into answer reporters ask him.

http://host.madison.com/wsj/sports/...cle_ebdf76fd-c897-504e-9c6a-26cca3bbf2da.html

http://www.foxsports.com/wisconsin/...dinator-aranda-a-skilled-coach-teacher-111114
 

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If Rutgers does go looking for a new HC I have to believe Rutgers needs someone with experience at the position.

I'm not going to come on here and say I know better than any other poster. I'm also not going to even attempt to say I know who out of the OC's/DC's mentioned would or wouldn't make a great HC someday. I just think with all the stuff swirling around the program and the uphill battle RU is facing, you need someone who can hit the ground running, not learn on the job. Of course saying that I realize I've eliminated most candidates folks here would want.
Yes i understand where you are coming from and i don't want somone learning on the job either but all the names mentioned are very experienced and have worked under many notable head coaches. Venables coached under Bill snyder for 6 years, Bob stoops for 12 years, and is now coaching under sweeney at clemson for his fourth year. Kirby Smart has coached under bobby bowden at florida state, saban at LSU and now bama, and coached under mark richt at georgia. Craig bohl is coaching at wyoming now but won 140 games and North dakota. Matt Campbell is in his 5th season at toldeo. And Tom Herman coached under meyer at ohio state and has done a great job at houston.

All of these coaches have coached under legends of the game or are making a name for themselves as a head coach. I chose these names because they are experienced and have been influenced by the best the game has had to offer. Believe me the last thing i want is for a guy to come in here and have to learn on the fly.
 

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I understand wanting emotion but we also don't want a Pelini like temper on the sidelines or some other allegations of "abuse" come up.

If I'm gonna go with a defensive guy Dave Aranda is my choice. I've posted articles on him here a couple times. He's not a hot head for sure and is quite soft spoken if anything but gets the job done. Reminds me of a defensive version of David Shaw at Stanford. Seems very knowledgeable and I've never seen a coach weave so much x/o knowledge into answer reporters ask him.

http://host.madison.com/wsj/sports/...cle_ebdf76fd-c897-504e-9c6a-26cca3bbf2da.html

http://www.foxsports.com/wisconsin/...dinator-aranda-a-skilled-coach-teacher-111114
Very impressive he's a name to keep track of!!
 

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The qualities of the individual in question are, imo, more important than the specifics of the career. HC at a mid-major versus big time coordinator? I lean toward the HC, but some coordinators are ready to step in on day one (and some HCs are not in the bigger time). You really have to look at the person, and that is tough for those of us who watch from the outside.
 
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Very impressive he's a name to keep track of!!
He went from a 4-3 and larger defensive team to a 3-4 and unit that is probably on the smaller side. Made me think of us and what our recruiting limitations may be. He's did well with both and adapted and is still getting the job done on his side of the ball against these larger physical offenses. Wisconsin's defenses were good when he got there say top 20 but he's taken it up a notch and made them top 5 or so in both total/scoring. He also had a top 10-15 defense at Utah State in his 1 year there and coincidentally the year Andersen won double digit games at Utah State. His Hawaii defenses weren't as good but they were good at creating turnovers, something that has been lacking at Wisconsin though.

If a guy has been a coordinator for a long time at various stops or at one place but been continuously successful I have no qualm in considering them. A bonus would be if they had done so under a good coach like Meyer somewhere in their career. That's what made me like Herman back in 2013 and Meacham now. Richt was the same with Bowden. That's an ideal and a bonus but I'm fine with someone like Aranda too.

Smart is someone I wouldn't go after (not that we'd have a chance anyway) even though he may be popular because I wonder how much of his success is derived from Saban. McElwain a few years ago I liked before he went to CSU. He was on the other side of the ball from Saban so I liked that. Smart could be another Muschamp so I'd worry about that. He worked with Saban too at LSU and with the Dolphins.
 
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Enough with defensive coordinators as head coach. Hire an offensive guru and let him cherry pick a DC from a non power 5 school. Then we won't have to worry about hiring a new OC every year. System / plug and play offense. Spread the field out, create mismatches, get the ball to playmakers in space. Put an exciting creative product on the field. Create some buzz in the state. Put points on the board. Then just hope you can hit on a serviceable defense.

Herman, Babers, Brohm, Willie Fritz, Meacham, Frost
 
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Enough with defensive coordinators as head coach. Hire an offensive guru and let him cherry pick a DC from a non power 5 school. Then we won't have to worry about hiring a new OC every year. System / plug and play offense. Spread the field out, create mismatches, get the ball to playmakers in space. Put an exciting creative product on the field. Create some buzz in the state. Put points on the board. Then just hope you can hit on a serviceable defense.

Herman, Babers, Brohm, Willie Fritz, Meacham, Frost
I agree with the spread and all that and have said so for quite some time but I don't think having a DC as your coach precludes you from having any of that. I'm perfectly fine with hiring offensive guys, Meacham and Babers are 2 I like, but as I've said having a top offense with a lousy defense catches up to you eventually or you become Indiana.

Kevin Wilson at Indiana or how about Rich Rod during his time at Michigan. Without a mediocre defense you can get burned bad. Occasionally yes the offense may be so good to overcome it but more times than not it gets you.

I want to run the spread but I actually think it could be a little easier for a defensive guy to find a good spread OC, so many schools run it, than it is for an offensive guy to get a DC that will provide that mediocre defense I want (top 50-65). Again though it depends on the coach. It would have to be a DC who's worked with a spread offense during his career. I don't want Venables for reasons I stated above but he has worked with a spread and so has Aranda.

As to defensive coaches and the spread, well Patterson is doing it, Stoops is doing it, Todd Graham, Jim Mora Jr., Tommy Tuberville, Dabo Swinney. So to me it's take it on a case by case basis when judging coaches and not paint with broad strokes.
 

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We would be insane to not give this guy a serious look. He's coaching an impressive defensive unit at the unanimous number one team in the land. Oh and he put together a very impressive game plan to beat Ohio State and Braxton Miller a few years ago in the Orange Bowl. This guy has more pedigree at more blue-blood programs than 90% of college football coaches. But, here at Rutgers, we must get an "established" head coach.

I don't know what bizzaro-world we're living in. But I pray this time around the donors and decision-makers aren't as dense and shortsighted to demand this "established" head coach crap. This is Rutgers, not Michigan. If we want to compete we're going to have to make smart decisions with the resources we have, and build.
 

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Plus the unintended benefit of having Brent Musberger saying his name 79 times a broadcast.
 

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Todd Monken is my guy. I know Rutgers isn't going to hire him but he is going to be in the SEC or Big 12 in a season or 2.
 
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I feel that if you have a defensive oriented head coach the one year you hit on an OC he is going to leave and then you are stuck finding replacements year after year. We have had new OCs pretty much every year with Schiano and Flood. Maybe this changes with a bigger budget down the road. Patterson and Stoops have given free reign to their OC hires and those OCs are probably HC candidates after one good year. Florida just had to pivot from a DC hire, Texas might have to soon, Chizik won a NC and was fired to be replaced by his former OC. Randy Shannon, Mike Stoops are other recent examples. I would love for Rutgers to have Arandas defense but I would rather establish an offensive identity first. I don't know what's the better route. A current HC with OC background may just be personal preference after watching us run the ball into the line for the last 10+ years.
 
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I feel that if you have a defensive oriented head coach the one year you hit on an OC he is going to leave and then you are stuck finding replacements year after year. We have had new OCs pretty much every year with Schiano and Flood. Maybe this changes with a bigger budget down the road. Patterson and Stoops have given free reign to their OC hires and those OCs are probably HC candidates after one good year. Florida just had to pivot from a DC hire, Texas might have to soon, Chizik won a NC and was fired to be replaced by his former OC. Randy Shannon, Mike Stoops are other recent examples. I would love for Rutgers to have Arandas defense but I would rather establish an offensive identity first. I don't know what's the better route. A current HC with OC background may just be personal preference after watching us run the ball into the line for the last 10+ years.
They can leave no doubt but since coaches running the spread are ubiquitous these days it's likely easier to replace them than a good DC who I don't know know are so ubiquitous.

Let's see Bob Stoops who has had to replace a ton of coordinators. Mike Leach, Mark Mangino, Chuck Long, Kevin Wilson, Josh Heupel, Lincoln Riley. 4 of those guys went on to be HCs and Heupel was let go because of lack of production but look at Stoops' career at OU, it's been pretty good right on through.

Gary Patterson. I don't know all his coordinators but he had Justin Fuente who did well, had a hiccup for a couple years replaced those co OCs with Dough Meacham/Sonny Cumbie and is on a roll again.

I think Jim Mora Jr has had Noel Mazzone since his start at UCLA. Todd Graham same at ASU with Mike Norvell, I think he's been with him since his Tulsa days. He had Gus Malzahn at Tulsa IIRC. Tommy Tuberville had Neal Brown at Texas Tech and now Eddie Gran at Cincy both were with him through his tenures at both spots. Dabo had Chad Morris and now he replaced them with a couple guys on staff in Tony Elliott and Jeff Scott. They've done well still but you know what's really had them take off lately is the strong defense Venables has been able to create over his time there. Will that be as easily replaced if Venables ever leaves? Kevin Steele was let go after that WVU debacle and he got Venables but I'm sure that close to 1m budget helped.

Justin Fuente lost a good DC in Barry Odom to MIzzou and there's been a huge drop off this year. I don't know how many DCs Kevin Wilson has had at IU or Kliff Kingsbury at TT. Holgorsen has had a couple at WVU IIRC. These are good offensive coaches and there are others but they have hard time delivering on that mediocre defense that I want. So just like the defensive guys you mention have trouble so do the offensive guys. The thing is some of those defensive guys you mention were ones who tried to run the prostyle as opposed to spread or didn't know how to switch. Strong did before he switched to a spread, Chizik switched his offense after Malzahn/Newton left to a pro style IIRC and I'm pretty sure Shannon/Muschamp ran a pro style as well. So some of those guys seemed a little unsure about deciding on what to run or how to execute a switch over.

Now this isn't to say I don't want an offensive coach. I'm perfectly fine with it and Doug Meacham is right along side Aranda at the top of my list. It's just that I won't rule out anyone by painting broad strokes. You'll notice the offensive coaches I like are the ones who I think will pay some attention to defense and not just neglect it like others do. Meacham working alongside Patterson gives me the impression that he would like Fuente did at Memphis. Babers changed DCs after his first horrendous year on D at BG, it's slightly improved this year but still not great. At least he recognized it and he tried. Still a little wary about Babers with defense. Conversely, if it's a defensive coach I look for a guy that I think will be able to pick a good OC having had experience working with a spread in his career. That's why I liked Venables before finding out about his temper issues. Aranda is similar before his time at Wisconsin.

Point is I don't narrow the scope of who I think might be good by painting with broad strokes and instead look at things on a case by case basis.
 
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They can leave no doubt but since coaches running the spread are ubiquitous these days it's likely easier to replace them than a good DC who I don't know know are so ubiquitous.

Let's see Bob Stoops who has had to replace a ton of coordinators. Mike Leach, Mark Mangino, Chuck Long, Kevin Wilson, Josh Heupel, Lincoln Riley. 4 of those guys went on to be HCs and Heupel was let go because of lack of production but look at Stoops' career at OU, it's been pretty good right on through.

Gary Patterson. I don't know all his coordinators but he had Justin Fuente who did well, had a hiccup for a couple years replaced those co OCs with Dough Meacham/Sonny Cumbie and is on a roll again.

I think Jim Mora Jr has had Noel Mazzone since his start at UCLA. Todd Graham same at ASU with Mike Norvell, I think he's been with him since his Tulsa days. He had Gus Malzahn at Tulsa IIRC. Tommy Tuberville had Neal Brown at Texas Tech and now Eddie Gran at Cincy both were with him through his tenures at both spots. Dabo had Chad Morris and now he replaced them with a couple guys on staff in Tony Elliott and Jeff Scott. They've done well still but you know what's really had them take off lately is the strong defense Venables has been able to create over his time there. Will that be as easily replaced if Venables ever leaves? Kevin Steele was let go after that WVU debacle and he got Venables but I'm sure that close to 1m budget helped.

Justin Fuente lost a good DC in Barry Odom to MIzzou and there's been a huge drop off this year. I don't know how many DCs Kevin Wilson has had at IU or Kliff Kingsbury at TT. Holgorsen has had a couple at WVU IIRC. These are good offensive coaches and there are others but they have hard time delivering on that mediocre defense that I want. So just like the defensive guys you mention have trouble so do the offensive guys. The thing is some of those defensive guys you mention were ones who tried to run the prostyle as opposed to spread or didn't know how to switch. Strong did before he switched to a spread, Chizik switched his offense after Malzahn/Newton left to a pro style IIRC and I'm pretty sure Shannon/Muschamp ran a pro style as well. So some of those guys seemed a little unsure about deciding on what to run or how to execute a switch over.

Now this isn't to say I don't want an offensive coach. I'm perfectly fine with it and Doug Meacham is right along side Aranda at the top of my list. It's just that I won't rule out anyone by painting broad strokes. You'll notice the offensive coaches I like are the ones who I think will pay some attention to defense and not just neglect it like others do. Meacham working alongside Patterson gives me the impression that he would like Fuente did at Memphis. Babers changed DCs after his first horrendous year on D at BG, it's slightly improved this year but still not great. At least he recognized it and he tried. Still a little wary about Babers with defense. Conversely, if it's a defensive coach I look for a guy that I think will be able to pick a good OC having had experience working with a spread in his career. That's why I liked Venables before finding out about his temper issues. Aranda is similar before his time at Wisconsin.

Point is I don't narrow the scope of who I think might be good by painting with broad strokes and instead look at things on a case by case basis.

That's fair. I just think a defense first coach is hampered by rules favoring offense and recruiting innefficences. I would be all for a legendary defensive mind turned CEO who lets up his offense to someone say from Leach coaching tree i.e. what stoops and Patterson have done. Last year, I would have preferred Herman over Narduzzi. I also agree Babers, Brohm, Frost would need a legit DC to survive in B10. Willie Fritz intrigues me because I think he is more defensive minded but super creative in the run game. I think he would be a pain in the *** to prepare for one week in a season. I'm interested to see how his team looks against Georgia this weekend.
 
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That's fair. I just think a defense first coach is hampered by rules favoring offense and recruiting innefficences. I would be all for a legendary defensive mind turned CEO who lets up his offense to someone say from Leach coaching tree i.e. what stoops and Patterson have done. Last year, I would have preferred Herman over Narduzzi. I also agree Babers, Brohm, Frost would need a legit DC to survive in B10. Willie Fritz intrigues me because I think he is more defensive minded but super creative in the run game. I think he would be a pain in the *** to prepare for one week in a season. I'm interested to see how his team looks against Georgia this weekend.
I've thought Herman was good for a few years and he was at the top of my list and I mentioned him here in 2013 and I couldn't get a response even from anyone after having posted his info and background. Narduzzi wasn't at the top of my list but a solid choice. Why didn't I want Narduzzi? Like I said above, no experience with the spread in his career so that's a major drawback for me. BTW you'll notice Herman went out and got a solid DC from Utah State and his defense is ranked in the 50s or so last time I looked. There you see the mediocre defense I want.
 
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I feel that if you have a defensive oriented head coach the one year you hit on an OC he is going to leave and then you are stuck finding replacements year after year. We have had new OCs pretty much every year with Schiano and Flood. Maybe this changes with a bigger budget down the road. Patterson and Stoops have given free reign to their OC hires and those OCs are probably HC candidates after one good year. Florida just had to pivot from a DC hire, Texas might have to soon, Chizik won a NC and was fired to be replaced by his former OC. Randy Shannon, Mike Stoops are other recent examples. I would love for Rutgers to have Arandas defense but I would rather establish an offensive identity first. I don't know what's the better route. A current HC with OC background may just be personal preference after watching us run the ball into the line for the last 10+ years.
Go for Lincoln Riley. He's the OC for s playoff bound team and he'd be they youngest HC in the P5 and could inject some enthusiasm in this program.
 
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Go for Lincoln Riley. He's the OC for s playoff bound team and he'd be they youngest HC in the P5 and could inject some enthusiasm in this program.

I am all for the young guys but I think a first time HC would have a hard time dealing with all the non football crap they would have to deal with here.
 
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Go for Lincoln Riley. He's the OC for s playoff bound team and he'd be they youngest HC in the P5 and could inject some enthusiasm in this program.
Could be good down the line but he's not been OC long enough and certainly not long enough at the P5 level. Give it a couple years and then if he's still doing well, I think he'd be a good name as a HC for someone.